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Changa definition clarification

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DoorSeeker

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So the wiki has a "A Guide to DMT Enhanced Leaf (Changa)"

This seems to say to smoke the actual maoi containing leaf (e.g. b caapi) with dmt and that would count as changa. However I see a lot of people saying that to make changa you must add extracted harmalas freebase. What is the correct way to make changa? Can one just smoke the evaporated leaf/dmt mix to get the changa experience? Thanks.
 
See here is a definition saying one needs pure harmalas from another sticky in the changa sub-forum.

"Standard blend-
If you Don’t wish to get fancy and simply want to make Changa, the baseline numbers are generally accepted as a 1 to 1 pure Harmalas or enriched 10x harmalas infused leaf to spice. That may sound confusing so I will break it down.
1 to 1- When talking about Changa the first number is the ratio of freebase Harmalas to spice in relation to a single unit of organic matter or leaf. So a 1 to 1 Changa blend will contain 1g harmalas, 1g spice, all infused into 1g of leaf. The infused leaf should weigh 3g once infused and dried."

Am I misunderstanding something?
 
Okay. Someone in the forum mentioned that you can make changa with out harmalas extract. Olympus Mon says it should be 1 to 1 for pure harmalas to freebase dmt. What is the ratio if you are using the whole leaf and not pure harmalas then? It seems that the dmt handbook says to use a 1 to 1 ratio of leaf to freebase dmt. Both can't be right. Sorry for the noob questions. Clarification on my confusion would be extremely grateful.
 
If no harmalas are being used then you are making "enhanced leaf", unless of course you are using Caapi leaf which has harmalas in it.

I would stick to the 1:1 ratio and if you are using Caapi then there is no way to tell the harmala content. Just do as the tek says and after trying it you can make adjustments the next time around.
 
If you infuse DMT into plant material, even if that plant material is B. caapi leaf, what you have would be referred to as enhanced leaf. While the caapi leaf has it's own effect, the harmala concentration isn't sufficient to give 'the changa effect'.

If you take 10 grams of caapi leaf soak them in a solvent and evaporate the solvent back onto 1 gram of caapi leaf creating a 10x, then infused this 10x with 1 gram of DMT, you would have a sufficient harmala concentration to get 'the changa effect'.

A proper changa is going to be the freebase harmalas and the DMT infused into your plant material. Going a full 1:1:1 ratio as Oly suggested in that old thread is a little heavy on the harmalas and tends to ground out the effect of the DMT. These days most folks, Oly included, would suggest a ratio of around .3 harmalas as the sweet spot. So you would be infusing 1 gram of DMT and 300 mg of harmalas all into 1 gram of plant material. Of course these are just general suggestions based on member reports and personal experimentation, feel free to play around with the ratios and see what works best for you.

Makes sense?
 
Okay thanks. I think that makes sense. I guess I need to find a harmalas freebase extraction tek then. When you say evaporate the solvent back into 1 gram of caapi, I'm not sure what you mean. Are you saying that evaporating 10 grams of caapi in solvent will extract the harmalas and then just throw away the leaf and put that into a normal solvent of caapi and dmt? Sorry just not familiar with extracting harmalas.
 
DoorSeeker said:
Okay thanks. I think that makes sense. I guess I need to find a harmalas freebase extraction tek then. When you say evaporate the solvent back into 1 gram of caapi, I'm not sure what you mean. Are you saying that evaporating 10 grams of caapi in solvent will extract the harmalas and then just throw away the leaf and put that into a normal solvent of caapi and dmt? Sorry just not familiar with extracting harmalas.
There are many teks for harmala extraction in the Wiki.

So you would take 10 grams of caapi leaf, soak this in enough alcohol to submerge them completely. Allow this to sit for a few days or a few weeks or a few months. Filter out the leaves. You now have a solution infused with the harmalas from ten grams of leaf. Then you want to evaporate the alcohol when it's almost all the way evaporated you add in a 1 gram of new caapi leaf to absorb the rest of the alcohol. You now have a 10X extract, 1 gram of caapi leaf that is as potent as 10 grams of leaf (11 technically). This is a simple crude extraction.

There are literally dozens of threads on the forum about this. Here is one of the moar coherent ones.
 
Thanks! This seems to be what I am looking for! Not sure how I didn't find that in the wiki before. Question though: If just soaking in acetone and then filtering the leaves works well why do some people do a/b extractions that seem much more involved? They're essentially doing the same thing though right?
 
Alcohol is preferable to acetone in this particular case because of it's water content. Harmalas aren't very soluble in acetone or alcohol really, but they are slightly moar so in the alcohol kuz of the water (in this case lower proof alcohols are actually preferable to higher proof for the water content, but this means they take significantly longer to evap). You can also juist boil the leaves in plain water and evap the tea onto your leaf but it makes for a very thick resiny material that's fairly hard on the lungs to smoke.

Which leads to me to the answer to your next question. The reason people prefer purified harmalas is because they are quite simply nicer to smoke than a crude resin. It also allows for moar accurate dosing (you know you have 300 mg of harmalas in your gram of changa vs you have an unknown amount in your gram of 10x).
 
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