Changa-huasca

[Jamie01]

I felt hung up on a lot of it…it’s hard to explain. Just a general feeling of being stuck and over it.

Actually come to think of it during that time I became infatuated with Gnosticism and advaita and started meditating.

Too much energy I no longer resonated with stored in a bunch of objects maybe?

 

[Jamie01]

@Jamie01 I see it more like a Despacho ritual than throwing stuff away. For sure, you had some intent behind your actions.
I parted ways with lots of stuff, always ceremonially, appreciating the change and letting go.
My altar is very simple and cheap, with lots of the same stuff for years. It's more about the meaning we ascribe to it.

Yeah I mean, psychedelics were intentionally involved in the whole thing

 

[Tumupasa]

Now I'm looking forward to try my new blend in a few days, this time I used the following plants:
-17% 10x caapi leaves
-16% 10x chaliponga leaves
-5% Orange blossom
-5% Lemon Balm
-43% Spice
-14% Harmalas

Wow! it was such a powerful experience! this is very potent medicine!

I won't be able to go in lots of details since it shook me to the core and I'll have to take some time to integrate it.

So, roughly, I drank the caapi tea which was made with 1g 30:1 resin + 7g caapi leaves) and 2g chaliponga. It must have been a pretty weak brew, but since I added chaliponga, I prefered starting slowly. And I think this is part of the reason why this is very difficult to explain what happened, maybe the MAOI didn't help a lot to slow down things.
I then smoked 100mg of changa (which must be approx. 43mg spice). I knew it would be intense when I tried to put the pipe in a safe place and everything startied vibrating and glowing intensely.
So I closed my eyes and saw the usual geometric shapes and then it seemed this would never stop getting more and more intense, I was in pure ecstatic bliss, There was this huge "entity" performing weird movements, it was really beautiful, but there was something frightening at the same time. From it, emanated some very psychedelic skulls, duplicating to take some tentacles shapes...
So, I think you get the idea...
But the thing I can remember now for sure, is that i had this insight that with time, dedication and love, I was able to improve my medecine to the next level and I felt very grateful for it.

Next time I will double the brew quantities and maybe start with 70mg changa... So I don't get rocketed in hyperspace without being able to bring that much.

 

[Tumupasa]

Hey everyone,

A few days ago I decided it was time to sit again with the medicine.

This time I drank a larger dose of my Caapi + low Chali brew, and I also prepared a new batch of changa (heavier on 10x chaliponga leaf). As usual, I waited about 45 minutes before smoking.
During the wait I grew restless, uncomfortable with the music, my posture, something I couldn’t quite pin down. I shifted position, lit the pipe, and started with a small toke. I held it for about 4 seconds before suddenly purging. The purge felt like a big release, as though it cleared the discomfort.
I tried again, this time holding for 15 seconds as I normally do. Almost instantly, I was both “here” in front of my altar and elsewhere. With my eyes closed, the entity I’d met in my previous session appeared again, this time with more intensity.
I saw a kind of laser beam moving toward my forehead, and around me were countless tubes of vivid patterned colors. They seemed to connect me to the entity. The feeling was very alien, unlike anything else.
After about 20 minutes I was back in an almost normal state. It left me frustrated, because I still couldn’t understand the entity’s purpose or what was being done. Unlike some of my ayahuasca experiences, I didn’t come back with any real insight.

I tried smoking again about an hour later, with 60mg of changa (30mg spice). But this time I got very little. This seems to be a recurring pattern: the first pipe is strong but short, leaving me unable to go deeper; then when I try again later, it’s almost flat.

I’m grateful for the vision I did have, but overall these last two sessions feel like they’re not leading anywhere. I feel like I need to adjust my approach, but I’m not sure how.

Has anyone else experienced this? Any suggestions on how to break through and find more meaning in these sessions?

 

[northape]

This time I drank a larger dose of my Caapi + low Chali brew, and I also prepared a new batch of changa (heavier on 10x chaliponga leaf). As usual, I waited about 45 minutes before smoking.
During the wait I grew restless, uncomfortable with the music, my posture, something I couldn’t quite pin down.

When you're in that restless state, it's most likely a very low dose of light (chali) that started to work on you (breaking down default mode network). Because the dose is too small (sometimes even imperceptible) and it can't flood your system, you get this uneasy feeling. You can just cook a caapi only brew and that part of the experience will go away.
I doubt that it was some inner resistance or anything else.

I’m grateful for the vision I did have, but overall these last two sessions feel like they’re not leading anywhere. I feel like I need to adjust my approach, but I’m not sure how.

For me, I'd go the oral route. I get the appeal of changa, but oral brews work longer and stronger, ime. You can just cook some chali tea and use it with caapi, or maybe work with mimosa. Look into mimosa tincture that @blig-blug tried, which has lots of potential. Somehow, drinking it makes all the difference for me. Especially if one works with plants for personal healing. An oral session is like a story with its own narrative. Maybe I'm just too old school. I even prefer traditional brews when you cook everything together.

 

[blig-blug]

I agree with @northape . A week or so ago, I tried vaping DMT instead of redosing more oral, and it was as you describe: intense but lacking in wisdom or depth.
You can try the Mimosa tincture approach (credit for that tek goes to @Transform) or even try a simple cold water extraction or normal brew first. If your stomach is not sensitive to Mimosa, I think the tincture could be overkill. If you have extracted DMT available, you can also try pharmahuasca. Or even brew the changa to drink its DMT and harmalas. Mimosa has (to me) more depth than pure oral DMT, but Mimosa and oral DMT are closer to each other than to smoked DMT.

 

[Tumupasa]

Guys, thanks for your answers

When you're in that restless state, it's most likely a very low dose of light (chali) that started to work on you (breaking down default mode network). Because the dose is too small (sometimes even imperceptible) and it can't flood your system, you get this uneasy feeling.

Interesting! I didn't consider this option, I thought "either it will bring a soft visionary state, or either it won't be enough and won't do nothing". But that's forgetting that plants always do something, even with low doses.

For me, I'd go the oral route. I get the appeal of changa, but oral brews work longer and stronger, ime. You can just cook some chali tea and use it with caapi, or maybe work with mimosa. Look into mimosa tincture that @blig-blug tried, which has lots of potential. Somehow, drinking it makes all the difference for me. Especially if one works with plants for personal healing.

I agree with @northape . A week or so ago, I tried vaping DMT instead of redosing more oral, and it was as you describe: intense but lacking in wisdom or depth.

I agree, I think I progressively came to this conclusion. Though, I love the act of smoking my pipe, so I think I will start with a pretty low oral DMT (maybe 30 or 40mg) and if necessary, I'll smoke changa on top of that. There is also the possibilty of brewing chaliponga separately (I would start with 7 to 10g...)

Maybe I'm just too old school. I even prefer traditional brews when you cook everything together.

Haha! I think I must be old school too, but I don't mind
This post about your traditional brew is still a goo reference for me, though I will probably adjust the amount of light, mostly because as I said, i want to keep having my changa integrated to my sessions.

If your stomach is not sensitive to Mimosa, I think the tincture could be overkill. If you have extracted DMT available, you can also try pharmahuasca.

I still don't know since I haven't tried mimosa brew. I guess I'll have to keep doing some tests and see what works best for me.

 

[blig-blug]

I think I will start with a pretty low oral DMT (maybe 30 or 40mg) and if necessary, I'll smoke changa on top of that

Sounds like a good idea. You could use it to make it last longer once you start getting out of the "magical space". That was my intention with vaped DMT, although it didn't work like I would have liked it to.
Try also at some point redosing orally: the second dose is always qualitatively different from the first. It's hard to explain it, but it's more than just a difference in intensity. To me, the second dose is always the most productive half of the session.

 

[Tumupasa]

Sounds like a good idea. You could use it to make it last longer once you start getting out of the "magical space". That was my intention with vaped DMT, although it didn't work like I would have liked it to.
Try also at some point redosing orally: the second dose is always qualitatively different from the first. It's hard to explain it, but it's more than just a difference in intensity. To me, the second dose is always the most productive half of the session.

yes, during ayahuasca sessions, there is often a moment when I feel that I would need to add more light to the visions in order to understand some insights that started to take shape but faded before reaching their teachings. And since it usually happen after 3 to 4 hours in the ceremony, taking more ayahuasca isn't really an option.

 

[northape]

This post about your traditional brew is still a goo reference for me, though I will probably adjust the amount of light, mostly because as I said, i want to keep having my changa integrated to my sessions.

Haha, hold your horses with that recipe. If you're new to chali, 500g of vine and 50g of chaliponga is much more reasonable. You can cook 50g of chali on the side and redose if needed. My recipe is insanely strong with good material. I reduce it all to 500ml, and the active dose is 25ml. 50ml is enough to floor most people - it would be hard to go relieve yourself. So, adjust accordingly.

yes, during ayahuasca sessions, there is often a moment when I feel that I would need to add more light to the visions in order to understand some insights that started to take shape but faded before reaching their teachings. And since it usually happen after 3 to 4 hours in the ceremony, taking more ayahuasca isn't really an option.

Oh, one can play with redosing. For example, last time I drank the second dose just 30-40 minutes after my first one, and they became one big hit of medicine.
Sometimes, I do it that way to have some time to relieve my bowels and so on. However, I'm halfway through my material and know it very well.

If you have strong ayahuasca, you can redose anytime, even a few hours into the experience. But it won't hit as hard as in the beginning; it's something about its pharmacokinetics. Go ask @Transform; he can describe it better. Some of my deepest sessions were when I drank all night long, with maybe 2-3 redoses. It's not for everyone, though.

I'd smoke changa when you've metabolized most of the DMT, which is marked by the lack of visions and the onset of harmala-induced nausea.
That way, there will be a clear separation in effects.

 

[Tumupasa]

Haha, hold your horses with that recipe. If you're new to chali, 500g of vine and 50g of chaliponga is much more reasonable.

Haha yeah sure, I think I would have asked you how to adapt this to my needs anyway before diving into total dissolution

Some of my deepest sessions were when I drank all night long, with maybe 2-3 redoses. It's not for everyone, though.

Yes, all of my previous ayahuasca ceremonies led by shamans were always with redosing, though there were a few times, when asked "do you want another cup?" I just refused, already totally overwhelmed by what was going on.

'd smoke changa when you've metabolized most of the DMT, which is marked by the lack of visions and the onset of harmala-induced nausea.
That way, there will be a clear separation in effects.

Ok, yes, That's what I will do next time, let the oral DMT do its work, and then extend, if needed, with a changa pipe.
Also I'll maybe start with a changa pipe, before the oral DMT kicks in, just to invite it into the session. But I might dip my toes in before... It depends on how the harmalas are creeping in before the light comes