Changa smoke - I can't even feel it

[pandahaze]

My changa is %50 DMT - %50 caapi,passion flower,calea-lotus mix. I've only tried it three times so far. The interesting fact which I really love is that I don't even feel the smoke. It's like inhaling air. I'm using handmade waterfall bong. The thick smoke fills the whole bottle (1 lt). By the way my dosage is 100mg each time.

Anyone like that?

 

[112233]

I certainly feel smoke from my bong . . . maybe I need to clean it.

 

[pandahaze]

I don't know, maybe it's because of the mix. It has Jasmine too. I was told that it is just for the taste.

 

[John Smith]

Depends on how your throat and are adjusted imo... I've had my share of taking big rips of tobacco from a bong(can knock you out flat) and my enhanced leaf seems very gentle too, almost non-present.

 

[pandahaze]

Well I'm not a regular smoker. The most harsh one of course weed. And one more thing, so much changa smoke, but when I exhale there aren't much. Maybe I couldn't see it properly as my vision goes alex grey

 

[Metanoia]

I feel the same way. My changa is so smooth that it's barely noticeable, even when I take large hits. I use a fairly small water bong to smoke through.

I equate a good hit with filling the bong with what looks like thick smoke, taking it all at once, and then blowing out very little. Best experiences are from tokes like that

 

[pandahaze]

I agree with you. That's why I'm doing it with waterfall bong to take one hit, the whole thing. Then in about 10 seconds I become ready for the launch and exhale.

 

[Parshvik Chintan]

true vapor feels like inhaling slightly warm air.
this is true pretty much regardless of what you are vaping (unless its a really high temp vape like salvia).

 

[Silly(c)One]

Try adding some harmalines extracted from rue to your mix, then it will be real changa.
There aren't enough MAOIs in plain leaf material to make it anything else than DMT enhanced leaf.

Though if inhale the equivalent of 50mg of DMT from a bong under 1 minute, you should definitely feel something...
Have you ever successfully broken through with pure DMT before ?

 

[chocobeastie]

There aren't enough MAOIs in plain leaf material to make it anything else than DMT enhanced leaf.

Silly, You are actually incorrect on this point. It only takes micrograms of harmine from Caapi when smoked to effect 50% MAO-A inhibition.

 

[Infundibulum]

There aren't enough MAOIs in plain leaf material to make it anything else than DMT enhanced leaf.

Silly, You are actually incorrect on this point. It only takes micrograms of harmine from Caapi when smoked to effect 50% MAO-A inhibition.

Could you please reference that? Which study (and measurements therein) drove you to that conclusion?

 

[jamie]

"There aren't enough MAOIs in plain leaf material to make it anything else than DMT enhanced leaf."

This is completely incorrect. Dennis Mckenna(I think) said when asked about it a number of years ago that when vaporized even 1mg of harmine should be enough to synergize DMT..and that is true in my experience. If I can snuff like 7mg harmalas or use them sublingual to synergise vaped or snuffed DMT than it makes sense that even less in required when the harmalas are vaped.

I can always feel effects from simply smoking a lungful of caapi leaf in my bong without any kind of extraction done..just plain caapi leaf. The effect is that of harmalas.

 

[pandahaze]

I haven't broken through with DMT crystals but I have with changa. That is pure dmt too as far as I know.

 

[Silly(c)One]

jamie, have you ever tried a changa with a much higher ratio of harmaline to DMT ?

If you analyze the contents of a typical ayahuasca portion (100g caapi+10g mhrb), you'll see there are much more harmalas than DMT.
Maybe 1mg is enough to synergize DMT, but that doesn't mean that 30mg won't completely change the experience...
I'm not personally trying to simply get an MAOI effect to prolong the DMT, but to create a real Ayahuasca effect, and it's been my experience that with only caapi and DMT (without adding a buttload of harmalas), I don't get that effect.

It seems there is a consensus online on using very little harmaline with DMT, and not much research with higher ratios of harmaline to DMT... It is my experience that working with different ratios provides one with very different entheogenic effects... It is my belief that in Ayahuasca, the Power is more important than the Light, and that's why the brew bears the name of the vine, and not of the leaf... Some Ayahuascas are even brewed without any DMT, but that would be pointless in changa

 

[Silly(c)One]

I haven't broken through with DMT crystals but I have with changa. That is pure dmt too as far as I know.

Sure !

Sorry, I believe I misunderstood your initial post.
So you are not a big smoker but your mixture is smooth, you say ?
Thanks for the tips, I'll give it a try

Then you probably won't like harmaline too much, as it makes the smoker harsher
(but don't let that discourage you from trying, you might like it a lot nonetheless )

 

[pandahaze]

I haven't broken through with DMT crystals but I have with changa. That is pure dmt too as far as I know.

Sure !

Sorry, I believe I misunderstood your initial post.
So you are not a big smoker but your mixture is smooth, you say ?
Thanks for the tips, I'll give it a try

Then you probably won't like harmaline too much, as it makes the smoker harsher
(but don't let that discourage you from trying, you might like it a lot nonetheless )

Yeah, yeah that's what I'm saying :d No, not at all, anything that would harmonize with dmt won't be a problem for me. I'll endure the harsh smoke.