Choice of Acid for Mimosa cold water soak

[John Smith]

Being that a cold water extracted Mimosa tea is an excellent smoking cessation aid, and given the choices there are, this one I like best myself

Powdered 50 grams are soaking in 3L of de-mineralized spring water. No reduction is planned to preserve full range of alkaloids. There's organic apple cider vinegar, regular white vinegar and fumaric acid. Taste of fumaric acid appeals best to me but vinegar is proven to work well. Amounts would be adjusted by taste instead of pH, since a lot of liquid is to be consumed.

Recommendations ?

 

[Shaolin]

Curious, why do you believe that reduction causes loss of alkaloids ?

 

[John Smith]

Reduction by heating only that does.

From what I've read, there's a difference between hot and cold preparations of mimosa. It is speculated that some of the alkaloids are heat sensitive.

 

[endlessness]

Yeah, according to who does reduction cause loss of alkaloids? Which alkaloids?

And if you do a cold soak, which the only reason people might do is to take it orally without an added MAOI, you cannot add any acid because it will destroy yuremamine, so it defeats the purpose of making a cold soak.

 

[John Smith]

Various people seem to have this idea about fuller range of alkaloids being extracted in a cold water process - even if it's solely yuremamine. Would be interesting to see how it affects the experience. Heres the first post that came up through the search:

cold water mimosa extraction help - Advanced/Enhanced chemistry - Welcome to the DMT-Nexus

Heat will destroy the other alks (else a hot water extraction should result in the same stregnth right?)

These are speculations however it seems logical since if the tea is going to be simmered for reduction, it seems that there's no point of doing cold water method to begin with.

Amount of liquid worth 2.5-3g of powder were sampled without MAOI after only 2 days of soaking. Strong astrigency was noted. Harsh on the stomach, challenging to keep it down, can't imagine drinkinking 30g worth of this stuff without doing gelatine/egg white clean up which again involves heat. No less craving of tobacco was noted either :evil:

 

[endlessness]

Yeah yuremamine is the only alkaloid that we know in mimosa that is sensitive to simmer/boil heat. But apparently it is also sensitive to acid so the soak with either the vinegar or fumaric acid might break it down too?

If you do the cold soak for oral consumption, the doses I read about are more like 25g+, though I never tried it so can't say from experience. Indeed the taste of mimosa is aweful