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Christian Mysticism and Church
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"Weird" itself refers to the pre-Christian Anglo-Saxon nature religion known as Wyrd, so I don't know if you hit that particular nail on the head intentionally…
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, not looking for y'all attacks, I'm seeking to have a conversation with others out there who are into this stuff. Y'all can kindly take the criticism elsewhere
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, not looking for y'all attacks, I'm seeking to have a conversation with others out there who are into this stuff. Y'all can kindly take the criticism elsewhereMod edit: this discussion was split here.
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Here's a personal experience somewhat related to Christian mysticism:
I'm not a Christian nor particularly attracted towards Christianity. So, during a pharmahuasca experience, I was surprised when I got some sudden insight on the meaning of Christ being God and Man.
I had been having a very heavenly experience, with feelings of expansion and of melting with the "core of reality". You could call that God, even though that didn't come to mind in that moment. I was it, I was everything. But it wasn't me yet.
(what follows isn't a statement of belief, but my experience in that moment)
At one point, some painful thoughts crossed my mind, with some nausea as well. Instead of ending this expansive experience, what came to my mind was Christ. Through Christ, God experiences the reality that he himself is, but from the inside: the pains, the joys, the sadness. All that's human. I saw Christ not as a man that lived once somewhere and was supposedly God, but as every human to ever live, embodying the whole of reality as they experience it from the inside. These pains and pleasures, joys and sorrows, seemed like sensory organs through which the richness of creation could be enjoyed and celebrated... by itself. So I was Christ, Christ was I, and so it was for every other person to exist, even when they didn't know. At once God and Man, soul and body, sensation and sensory organ.
That experience gave me an appreciation for that aspect of the Christ archetype that had seemed quite arbitrary and uninteresting before.
I'm not a Christian nor particularly attracted towards Christianity. So, during a pharmahuasca experience, I was surprised when I got some sudden insight on the meaning of Christ being God and Man.
I had been having a very heavenly experience, with feelings of expansion and of melting with the "core of reality". You could call that God, even though that didn't come to mind in that moment. I was it, I was everything. But it wasn't me yet.
(what follows isn't a statement of belief, but my experience in that moment)
At one point, some painful thoughts crossed my mind, with some nausea as well. Instead of ending this expansive experience, what came to my mind was Christ. Through Christ, God experiences the reality that he himself is, but from the inside: the pains, the joys, the sadness. All that's human. I saw Christ not as a man that lived once somewhere and was supposedly God, but as every human to ever live, embodying the whole of reality as they experience it from the inside. These pains and pleasures, joys and sorrows, seemed like sensory organs through which the richness of creation could be enjoyed and celebrated... by itself. So I was Christ, Christ was I, and so it was for every other person to exist, even when they didn't know. At once God and Man, soul and body, sensation and sensory organ.
That experience gave me an appreciation for that aspect of the Christ archetype that had seemed quite arbitrary and uninteresting before.
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While not versed in Christian Mysticism, I am interested in mysticism in general and would love to engage you in dialogue regarding it.Yes,
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Sounds similar to finding one's inner Buddha.
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It may depend on the tradition. I would say Buddha is usually characterized by the end of dhukka/suffering/stress (nibbana/nirvana means literally the extinguishing of a flame), while in this case there was an appreciation of the meaning and value of negative experiences, thoughts, and emotions.
But yes, I do see the similarity in other aspects, such as the merging with one archetypal individual that dissolves all contradictions between the human and the divine/cosmic.
Given my personal interests, I would have expected much more an experience involving Buddha, and yet I got that one. Pharma/Aya always surprises! I'm glad it did, because it gave me an appreciation of something that before didn't have any meaning for me.
I’m going claim christ consciousness does not = inner Buddha. Two entirely different world views despite new agers and others honest attempts to unify dualist and non dualist religions…but it’s not real. These are very different takes on reality.
Buddhism is just IMO a better religion. I don’t see all religions as equal and in fact I have a rather poor view of some and much better views of others. I can only be pragmatic about these systems that are chalk full of dogma and lies and have seemed to control human thought for too long.
Where I do see an overlap is in the fact that both Buddha and Christ( yes I think both existed) both were creating something that was better and more tolerant than what preceded. Both religions are reformations to a degree.
Buddhism is just IMO a better religion. I don’t see all religions as equal and in fact I have a rather poor view of some and much better views of others. I can only be pragmatic about these systems that are chalk full of dogma and lies and have seemed to control human thought for too long.
Where I do see an overlap is in the fact that both Buddha and Christ( yes I think both existed) both were creating something that was better and more tolerant than what preceded. Both religions are reformations to a degree.
I am talking about an ideal.
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as well as
This is like providing value judgmental comparisons of colors.
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Also I feel in general Christianity gets a bit of a bad rap as if everything was great until the Catholics showed up…which I think is silly. In reality Christianity has likely done a lot of good for all the bad it has brought. But still, I think it’s time for the world to grow up, move on and form a new religion that is more in line with science and stops imagining humans and earth at the centre of the cosmos. People rag on science because they assume it by default = atheism. Humans will outgrow these old religions, at least it’s my hope.
Religions are not like colors.
There's a lot of value and benefit to religion you seem to not be acknowledging. Regardless of how you feel, religion happens to be a bedrock of community in many areas and localities around the world. Science only explains physical, quanitifiable phenomena, and we seem to experience things outside that scope. To talk about science in such a way is dogmatic and reflects scientism. Scientism is already an informal religion. You're also assuming that being involved with religion is inherently primitive, which I find a bit elitist considering no one knows what we're doing here, all taking different kind of shots in the dark.
The first thing one learns is usually the last thing one questions. Many people are born into religion, so it's a tall order to think it will just go away with the advent of new technology and discovery. Science doesn't invalidate religion (only specific claims), and religion doesn't invalidate science. They play in different sandboxes.
There have been plenty of spiritual scientists that only used physicalism with regard to the physical phenomenal world.
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Comparing religions are like comparing colors, it's meaningless and just an opinion at the end of the day. To attack or look down on someone for liking the color blue when you don't is silly.
Each and every religion had different environments and conditions that birthed them. Value comparisons are nonsense because each religion reflects a specific territory it was developed in. The value comparison becomes arbitrary.
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Your free to have your opinion. I am unconvinced that religions are just like colors.
It's about the comparison. I said "comparing religions is like comparing colors," not, "religions are just like colors."
And way to bypass my other statements.
But whatever.
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And way to bypass my other statements.
But whatever.
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I just don’t agree with most of what you said. Not trying to bypass it but what’s the point of reiterating? We just don’t agree. It’s fine
It's deeper than that, man. You're plainly not understanding me, evidenced by my need to correct your interpretation of my statements.
Secondly, most of the time in this thread have been trying to preserve the vibe in this thread for the OP. They want to talk about Christian Mysticism, they seem interested in it, and you don't and have expressed that.
Why are you here? What's in it for you to be in this thread concerning a topic you're not into?
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Secondly, most of the time in this thread have been trying to preserve the vibe in this thread for the OP. They want to talk about Christian Mysticism, they seem interested in it, and you don't and have expressed that.
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Why are you here? What's in it for you to be in this thread concerning a topic you're not into?
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I think the door is open for more research to test applicability and efficacy of various substances.
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