Cleanest crystals yet! (Q2121 Tek results)

[VoyagerGrey]

Just wanted to report some noob's exciting results (3rd attempt) using Q21Q21 A/B tek:
Vinegar->lime->Naphtha
Results are noticeably better than previous extractions.

200g finely powdered MHRB was treated exactly following the Tek. In previous attempts, much more lime was added to achieve "dry and crumbly" consistency. This time, the exact suggested ration of 3:4 was used, i.e. 150g lime to the 200g of MHRB. This resulted in a firm gelatinous textured slurry that was allowed to sit overnight, then broken up and dried in a food dehudratoe set to 113F for 2 runs of 1 hr each, leaving it slightly damp. Then pulled with warm naphtha.

The tek suggests a minimum of 1ml of naphtha for every 1g MHRB. However this does not seem to be nearly enough to cover this amount of bark slurry. 200ml of reclaimed solvent from previous work were used, and another 500ml of fresh solvent added (700ml total) to completely cover the slurry.

Mixture was then heated in a double boiler for ~1-1.5 hr, stirred occasionally. Warm solvent was then decanted and strained through a coffee filter twice, into a flat bottomed glass container.

*probably important: The solvent was first left to acclimatize to room temp, then fridge, and only then to the freezer. Allowed to precipitate 24h. Remaining liquid poured off and strained for next pull, and container allowed to air evap until no liquid/solvent smell detected.

3 pulls will be done in total, so far I only have the final results of #1, which netted 1600mg of the whitest, fluffiest crystals seen to date. #2 took 48hrs to precipitate, and is now air drying. By eyeball :shock: there is probably 1/3 to 1/2 as much as pull #1 in the dish. Will report back when final results are in, but just wanted to share some photos! Be patient, follow instructions, don't cut corners, results will come. :thumb_up:

Can't wait to try these!

Edit Jan 4 '24:

3 pulls done in total
1st pull: 24h freezer precipitation, yield 1600mg (see 1st 2 pictures)
very white, "dry" flaky crystal

2nd pull: 48h freezer precipitation, yield 656mg
Qualitatively similar to 1st, i.e. dry and flaky, but slightly amber in color

3rd pull: 72h+ freezer precipitation, yield 546 mg
Slightly waxy, more orange/amber in colour than 1&2, but still relatively light/white (3rd picture)

So total yield 2800 mg from 200g MHRB = 1.4%, not bad at all.
There's still some dust and residue in the dishes that I am going to redisolve with IPA and evaporate. To be fair, my solvent included some reused naphtha (200ml out of 700 total) from a recently done acetates conversion, on which the 2nd pull didn't precipitate anything after 24hrs and was removed from the freezer and saved for re-use. It very well could be it needed more time in the freezer, as that conversion had a poor yield, and as I've learned it is the case that subsequent (lower concentration) pulls may need more time to precipitate. In which case that could account for an additional 200mg or so that migrated into this extraction via the reused solvent.

Notes on solvent: After this extraction I have a sneaking suspicion that fresh solvent, at least in the case of naphtha, yields cleaner crystals. The naphtha takes on a yellow hue after use, which might be oils or something? Doesn't really crash out in the freezer but I have a feeling some of it does find it's way into the end product.

Qualitative difference in end product: (vs previous extractions)
I think I was more precise, and consistent this time with my procedures. The result was a cleaner looking, seemingly "better" product. Felt effects seem to confirm this (caveat- there can be significant variance in experiences for me even with the same batch of spice).
I did try a small dose of the really white, dry crystal. Didn't weigh it out, but by eyeball I would estimate 15-20mg. The impact was phenomenal. OEVs hit immediately, Followed by a full on experience of unusually lucid CEVs lasting probably a good 10 minutes, followed by crashing out of hyperspace into a kind of lower-intensity journey state, what I call the "sacred goo" for a good long while after that. Also exceptionally lucid. This was after returning home from a night out at a free dance event where about 4g of mushrooms were consumed over the course of the evening, and well after the effects of the mushrooms ceased to be felt.

 

[aethereon]

Thanks for sharing results! I am looking for a first tek to try and this sounds pretty 'QOOL' I will note this one down!

 

[ogcricket]

Here’s another kudos for this tech, very impressive results. I can’t imagine doing it any other way, way more modern than a lot of other options and the results speak for themselves.

 

[Skinny3388]

I would also like to add another confirmation after realizing the resemblance to my own process of rather than running the dehydro process I dboild it down to pasta sauce consistency to allow enough liquidity to allow use of excessive sol with the acceptance of the loss of having to condense before reclaim 3 separate times then dry evap 4th pull in attempt to avoid introducing possible moisture introduction from freezing process when i comparison I left in glass dish under multiple layers of paper towels (only touching the rim of deep dish) and placed in clean super dry wooden cabinet. Theory was that the moisture from the air in the freezer could seep into the sol mix which yes I'm aware that it's advised to cap off the container, but possibly may not consider the material of majority of caps available could absorb potentially to the point of dripping some of the material back into the mix? This is a personal theory especially after noticing how nap will absorb into o rings causing them to swell and form clogs or leaks. Also anyone using mason jars be sure to remove any non metal materials from jar lids. *AGAIN I am in no way able to professionally determine any sort of accuracy from the theory other than testing upon multiple 4th pull attempts of runs which was typically the last of the nap so I would freeze it (unnecessarily) and then evap vs not freezing and letting evap in the wooden Cabinet. Which I'm aware is extremely unsafe due to making it like a kindling box from hell which I made sure to keep in a safe location and contained until completion and done with which I then went ahead and broke up into pieces and put in sealed container to use to start wood fueled compressed air furnace.

 

[blig-blug]

moisture from the air in the freezer

There's no moisture in the air in the freezer as long as it stays cold, below 0C all water is frozen and can't remain in the air. Humidity may get in if you open the door often and mess with it in general. As long as you don't do that, there's no reason to worry about water getting in.

What you describe is not only extremely unsafe as you say (no reason for some wooden cabinet, please evaporate in a well ventilated area!), but if humidity is what concerns you, it exposes your NPS and DMT much more to humidity than the freezer.

 

[Orion]

I've had similar results with this tek. The ratios are perfect for making a paste with just the right consistency. The spice is very clean considering the time and temperatures I had the mix sitting at when doing each pull.

The only thing I'm not keen on is that the smell of the freebase is different from STB spice. I haven't noticed any other differences. I find this every time vinegar was used in an a/b extraction. Vinegar isn't soluble in naphtha and I take extra care never to carry over basified material into the precipitation vessel.

Has anyone else noticed the difference and do they have an idea why this might be?