Cocaine

[Kash]

So just curious is discussion of coca leaf extraction ok or not ok?

 

[jamie]

^ I think it is too far from the interests of this forum. The main focus here in on psychedelics. Coca leaf is one thing, and is quite benign when used as a leaf tea or quid etc..pure cocaine is something else. I am not saying cocaine is bad or anything but I dont think coca leaf extraction has any place here, and on top of that it just raises too many eyebrows.

 

[nen888]

..cocaine can kill you..

about the best T-shirt i've ever seen: "Instant Asshole: Just Add Cocaine"..
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[rOm]

So just curious is discussion of coca leaf extraction ok or not ok?

I really think coca leaf extraction has no place here, same goes for poppy pods extraction.
This subject is a definite NO! here.

 

[endlessness]

Personally I think cocaine has overal negative impacts on one's psyche and body, and as it stands, a very negative impact on society and the environment, as I explained in this old thread in the previous pages.

I also think that if we started discussing cocaine extraction, it could attract more negative attention from authorities. Also, cocaine extraction and purification uses chemicals that are highly controlled by authorities, such as a certain oxidation reagent to separate cocaine from other alkaloids. For these reasons, this is not discussed in the Nexus.

That being said, I do think that anybody with conscience that wants to try cocaine should extract it themselves (maybe a crude extraction with other alkaloids present), so that they do not get involved in being around coke dealers and so they dont give money to the nasty industry. Though better IMO is to forget about cocaine and go for more beneficial substances

Personally, I never tried cocaine even though I come from south america and had it all around me, seeing the damage it did to close friends and to society. If I was to ever try cocaine, I would extract a small sample and try it, but I wont because I have no desire at all for it, it's effects are not beneficial to oneself IMO.

Coca leaf tea, on the other hand, is very nice IMO, ive tried it a few times and does not at all display the same physical/psychological/social/environmental damage. The quantity of cocaine ingested in coca-leaf tea is minimal, and it has many other alkaloids and substances such as antioxidants that make it much more balanced and healthy.

 

[rOm]

I vote for coca tea and quid also.

 

[The Traveler]

So just curious is discussion of coca leaf extraction ok or not ok?

Things like cocaine and poppy extractions are not for this forum.

Currently we are already very busy with psychedelic research, harm reduction towards psychedelic use and raising public awareness about psychedelics. Cocaine and opium would distract us too much from this very important work.


Kind regards,

The Traveler

 

[Infinite I]

..cocaine can kill you..

about the best T-shirt i've ever seen: "Instant Asshole: Just Add Cocaine"..
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I've got the instant idiot just add beer tshirt had some funny looks when wearing it in a bar, as if how dare you insult our precious alcohol lol

 

[Kash]

Have been wondering for awhile thanks for the responses. Suprisingly though endlessness chems required are far from controlled if you get creative lol.

In my opinion there is nothing wrong with cocaine every now and then as long as those ingesting are responsible enough to handle it. Coca tea, coca liqour, and quid are great also.

 

[AluminumFoilRobots]

I voted yes from a purely hypothetical stance. If one grew and extracted their own coca, and kept the use of the product minimal, then I couldn't really have an issue with that. Maybe I'd do it with 'em.
But as it stands, commercially available cocaine is a neocolonial product which is only ostensibly illegal, and really a tool of Imperalist control. It's "illegality" allows them to control the production and import of narcotics such as cocaine (there are others) while criminalizing the users and weakening the populations that use them. It is used to produce a relationship of domination with South america, propping up disproportionately wealthy and violent neocolonial governments that are embroiled in the drug trade, which extract wealth from their people , and which maintain military pacts through drug-war alliances. These drugs are distributed in the US to weaken communities, to break their resistence, and to eventually gentrify the areas by disenfranchising them.

Anyway, no it's really bad. Dont do it.

 

[Untm]

And what about lab mice who will keep hitting the cocaine lever in their cages until they keel over and die? Are they just weak willed mice, Ron? Is this just another much publicized case of rodent behavioural sickness? Some molecules have a higher potential for causing addiction than others - and there's really nothing subjective about this. Freebase cocaine and methamphetamine are right at the top of the chain in this regard, along with heroin and other pharmaceutical opiates - also not too subjective. I defy anyone to tell me they've smoked crack or meth recreationally - and if they have, they clearly haven't done so much (or are lying to themselves).

In my direct experience (and I actually have some - I'm not just bloviating about something I haven't myself experienced), cocaine is about as insidious and consciousness diminishing a drug as you're ever going to find. Add to that the points made above about supporting a global economy based on human suffering (and the war on drugs, for that matter), and it's something I've come to avoid.

Is it impossible to use it without becoming addicted? No. Is it impossible to use it and not become anti-social and self-obsessed? In my experience, when used with any degree of regularity, it is. Is it possible to use it in any capacity and not play a part in a global cycle of human subjegation? Not unless you're makin' your own.

Didn't seem to effect Ott in such a manner, maybe you should speak to him. This in no way is supposed to sound snide, his lectures and opinions on his joy for Cocaine are very interesting to hear about.

It's interesting how most of the comments against Cocaine HCl in the way it makes people act are almost word for word how heavy EtOH users act.

I have to disagree I have found many Dopamine, Serotonin, and Norepinepherine releasing compounds to be highly psychedelic, I mean a good degree of Mescaline, 2C-X, and MDXX compounds effects are related to Dopamine and(or) Serotonin release. So I don't really honestly believe they are consciousness diminishing drugs, I mean honestly a statement like that doesn't even make logical sense. After all these compounds sharpen and heighten brain function; then again what really is consciousness?

Though I thought this whole thread was about occasional Cocaine use, I see no point in going on about addictions of this drug or that drug; most anyone who has been detrimentally addicted to a compound will say they despise it; I think it has a lot more to do with the persons emotional and physical suffering and much less the compound itself.

In closing, I have tried many stimulant compounds and I will also say it's not my cup of tea; I've used Methamphetamine, Methylphenidate, and Cocaine very heavily at times and I never had an issue putting them down. I have been through NMDA-antagonist, Benzodiazepine, Opiate, Dopaminergic, and Cannabinoid withdrawals. Though none of this has changed my opinion on these compounds, I still even use many of them occasionally. I have always and forever will have no one to blame but myself for my own conscious decisions that lead to my suffering.

 

[Kambogahuascanga]

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This is what made me fall in love with Coca leaf. But you kind of need to do a dieta with it to get the full energy frequency.

 

[Kash]

Ya.. there really are far more addicting products like amphetamine badness and opiods. Its really too bad cociana extract recieves such a bad rap but it is really desirable and basically gives euphoria equivalent to sex so not suprised people can tend to fiend it. It is what it is.

 

[Untm]

like amphetamine badness and opiods.

Now I don't really agree with this at all, but I agree totally with how terrible it is many highly useful compounds; such as Opiates, Numerous Stimulants, and Strong Dissociatives get such a bad name. Mainly from people who have never even tried the compound. Usually a response like this is given, "My friend tried it and it was so scary I'd never do that drug seeing how that person acted". Well not to downplay anyone's bad experiences but I've seen some horrible responses to EtOH, the good legal stuff; seeing people just mumble slander then pass out in their own vomit not even recognizing people are around. But honestly is it really the compound? No not at all, if a moron wants to go out and drink 12 pints of Lager then vomit it's no different then a moron dosing 30 mg. of Phenylcyclidine without a tolerance and stumbling down the street talking to himself. In the end they are both morons simply because they chose to take a very high unsafe dose of a compound. Though if either of those activities are your thing I sincerely apologize. But I find it idiotic to blame a drug for doing anything but it's intended effect, use doesn't have to be brain dulling, detrimental, addictive. It's your brain if you have done your research and you now daily/semi-weekly etc. use is unsafe to Dopamine neurons, possibly cytotoxic it's your own decision; not a drugs hold on you. When I was dosing numerous addictive drugs daily I didn't complain, "Man this is such a terrible drug it's got me hooked". I thought man I'm too hedonistic with these compounds, I need to work at being much more educated with self-control.

I don't know I guess I'd just like opinions given after someone has actually tried the compound for themselves. Whether you love it hate it, it's not the point; the point is you tried it so your opinion is valid.

This post was directed at nobody at all, I don't know reading it back it sounds odd but whatever I'm tired.

Peace

PS - Though I wouldn't go and call +/- amphetamine salts a 'bad' drug, but I will admit it's quite dated in today's pharmacopeia. First off it's incredibly neurotoxic, then it's long half-life causing(at least for me) a pretty bad dopamine crash no other stimulant gives, coupled with a good anorexia for the duration and the peripheral effects are much too, how should I say; nasty. Though it has definitely served it's function in world history, seeing massive use and even being revered and praised by mathematicians and scholars abound. But we live in a new age, there are much more suitable stimulants now that produce clean stimulation with very minor side effects, no lack of sleep or anorexia. But in a pinch amphet. has it's place; not my first choice, wouldn't even be top ten

Though 60 mg. of the salts sure did allow me to ramble on the forum about totally off-topic information and opinions. Feel free to cut this down or delete it; whatever I don't mind, I enjoyed writing this though.

Peace again