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Consider only accessing this kind of community from the "darkweb"

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Shaolin wrot
The darkweb news reports are stupid. I don't want to use another word because all I hear about are paedophiles and hitmen.
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This country was founded on the idea that people had a right to privacy and free speech and to not have the govt meddling in their lives, especially if they were law-abiding citizens. Wanting to NOT be watched is not an admission of guilt. There are so many companies out there now whose business models are more or less this: Convince people to GIVE us something extremely valuable (their personal data) and then sell it to those interested in mining it for trends which can make them rich off you.

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CatholicPsychonaut said:
benzyme said:
I use https everywhere. I have no patience for tor.
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Waiting a few more seconds to see a website is worth it when you consider what you're giving up for that little bit of speed, which is everything. It's like saying "I just don't have time to get dressed in the morning, so I go out naked every day," Or, "I just don't have time to get into my wallet and get out my debit card every time I shop, so I just had my card number and SS# tattooed on my forehead. I'm sure everyone who can see it is trustworthy."
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you think they're going to decrypt what I'm typing through HTTPS?
i venture no.

there's nothing you could tell me to convince me to use tor, end of story.
(admittedly, I only use it to access scientific databases, but that's it).

and why is this in Health & Safety?
 
a1pha said:
CatholicPsychonaut said:
Essentially, without something like Tor, EVERY COMMUNICATION you have on the internet is being tracked, recorded, and logged...
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So, your conclusion is that by using Tor communications will not be tracked, recorded and logged? IMO, your conclusion is false. Depending on your sources, the mere use of Tor increases the likelyhood of the very thing you claim to avoid (that is, being tracked, recorded and logged).


CatholicPsychonaut said:
Not necessarily by law enforcement, but by private companies, who have none of the constitutional requirements of unlawful search and seizure.
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Which private companies have access to logs of browsing the DMT-Nexus? There are strict regulations in place regarding ISPs and personal browsing history. In addition, The Traveler removed all trackers (THANK YOU!) many months ago...


CatholicPsychonaut said:
Perhaps their motive isn't to put you in jail, but the fact that they've GOT all this info makes it very easy for law enforcement to obtain it, much more easy than it was for them 10 years ago.
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Can you explain the point you are trying to make here? It seems illogical to say it is much easier for them to obtain incriminating information about you but also say their motive is not to put you in jail. This seems contradictory.
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It isn't contradictory. You'd be surprised how many cookies you have on your computer whose job it to record every website you visit and report this back to some company's servers, where they catalog what you're interested in and try and use that to target ads that will make you buy something. This is sole business model of Facebook... Track what you're doing, and sell the data to advertisers.

And when these private companies have the data, it is much easier for a law enforcement agency who may be interested in seeing what is going to get this data from them, especially if they have close working relationships, as do Google and the NSA. The homeland security act actually makes it illegal for a company to tell you that there has been a govt request for you data if they come looking for it.

So... The motive of the company collecting your data is NOT to put you in jail, it is to mine your data for info they can either sell to advertisers, or mine it for things they themselves can use to sell you things. The very fact that this data is being collected, though, makes things much simpler and more cost effective for LE, if they want to find out what you've been up to.

Every time you log into Tor, you are creating an entirely new IP address from which to broadcast yourself. You can even, very quickly, "change identity" and broadcast from a different location anywhere in the world. Sure, the govt may be monitoring web traffic to see how much is "darkweb", but as long as you aren't giving your true name, true location, or other identifying markers on the websites you're visiting, there's no way for those doing the tracking to pinpoint who you are.

In terms of trackers, I'm not concerned about the Traveler knowing who I am. I'm comfortable with that... What I'm not comfortable with is EVERYONE knowing who I am, which is what you're essentially doing if you don't go cloaked.
 
Well by saying you're in the uk and then moaning about sonoronsong and saying things like "this country" obviously advertising that you are in the US is just silly. i knew there was something strange going on lol.
 
benzyme said:
CatholicPsychonaut said:
benzyme said:
I use https everywhere. I have no patience for tor.
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Waiting a few more seconds to see a website is worth it when you consider what you're giving up for that little bit of speed, which is everything. It's like saying "I just don't have time to get dressed in the morning, so I go out naked every day," Or, "I just don't have time to get into my wallet and get out my debit card every time I shop, so I just had my card number and SS# tattooed on my forehead. I'm sure everyone who can see it is trustworthy."
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you think they're going to decrypt what I'm typing through HTTPS?
i venture no.

there's nothing you could tell me to convince me to use tor, end of story.
(admittedly, I only use it to access scientific databases, but that's it).

and why is this in Health & Safety?
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i consider safety to include such things as not going to prison and not showing my naked ass to strangers... Again, just an analogy. It's not about WHAT you are typing so much as WHERE you have been. I'm not talking about somebody hacking into the feed between your computer and this webpage. I'm talking about the constant recording of which sites your computer is interacting with...

Did you listen to the podcast?
 
CatholicPsychonaut said:
... but as long as you aren't giving your true name, true location, or other identifying markers on the websites you're visiting, there's no way for those doing the tracking to pinpoint who you are.
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Even if 'they' operate enough exit nodes?
 
Honestly, I'm surprised to have gotten so much flack about this. I thought it was common sense... Seems like The Traveler agrees with me, although I won't speak for him. Especially considering that we're on here admitting to being felons. Sure, we're admitting to breaking laws we consider stupid and unjust, but still... Better safe than NOT safe.
 
benzyme said:
I have not, but you're acting like this sort of thing is something new.
The Echelon initiative has been going on for several decades, and its reaches are way beyond the internet.

thanks for preaching to the choir though, there are several threads on this topic.
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Owch... It IS new to me. I only recently started realizing how intense the probing of data on the net has become. I'm just interested in having a conversation with my beloved community about something I'm thinking about a lot these days. No need to troll me about it, bro.
 
benzyme said:
you're doing nothing but being an alarmist, and redundant.
like I said, there are other threads discussing intenet security. a1pha is an expert on such things, as is The Traveler
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Why rely on others for your safety? Why not KNOW for yourself, that your data is secure?
 
DeMenTed said:
Well by saying you're in the uk and then moaning about sonoronsong and saying things like "this country" obviously advertising that you are in the US is just silly. i knew there was something strange going on lol.
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OK. You got me. It doesn't really matter, though.
 
CatholicPsychonaut said:
DeMenTed said:
Well by saying you're in the uk and then moaning about sonoronsong and saying things like "this country" obviously advertising that you are in the US is just silly. i knew there was something strange going on lol.
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OK. You got me. It doesn't really matter, though.
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social engineering > Tor

😉
 
Lol theres nothing wrong with faking where you are, most people just put the moon or outer hyperspace or some other unknown place :)
 
benzyme said:
because I use HTTPS everywhere.
and, I'm not doing anything illegal.
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Isn't there implied illegal acts just by being on here?.. I mean, seriously. The name of the forum contains a schedule I substance.
 
CatholicPsychonaut said:
DeMenTed said:
Lol theres nothing wrong with faking where you are, most people just put the moon or outer hyperspace or some other unknown place :)
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I like to imagine I'm from Stonehenge. :)
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I'll change it to Chichen Itza for you, if you like that better, DeMenTend 😉
 
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