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Converting furmate to freebase questions

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DreamWaves

DreamWaves

SWIM
Hey guys, I wanted to list the steps I take in doing this conversion, and ask you guys if you think I might be doing something wrong or inefficient.

Here is what I do:

1. Weigh out 2g of DMT Furmate and 4g of sodium carb

2. Mixed the two together, nicely blended.

3. place the mixture on a glass pan, and then add enough drops of water to make wet and pasty

4. stir and spread around, and let sit for about 10 minutes.

5. I then scrap it all up and place in a small 100ml beaker.

6. I add about 50ml of acetone, and stir the entire solution.

7. The sodium carb falls to the bottom and separates and the acetone turns a bit yellowish.

8. I then decant into a plastic baggy with a hole and cotton ball, and let filter into a glass baking pan for evap.

9. I add acetone 1 more time to get any more dmt that might still be there and then decant/filter.

10. I let the filters acetone evap on a baking pan dish.



Does this sound like an effecient way of doing things? Could I be doing something wrong?

Reason I ask, is beacuse I just attempted this about an hour ago, and went to go check on the glass pan to see if it was done evapping. I found dmt crystals(circle type), a puddle of gooey sticky amber like goo, and flakes of VERY white powder like stuff(maybe sodium BIcarbonate?)

Any idea what that goo is all about? And what about these white flakes? I picked one up and put it near fire, it didnt vape one bit....just burned the closer I got it to the fire.
 
It's not done drying yet. I don't smell acetone AT all, but it still is a little wet, maybe there was some water in the solution? There seems to be some yellow looking crystals, is this n oxide dmt?

Once it's ALL completely dry I'm going to scrap it all up. If there are impurities such as sodium carb, can I just do a sodium carb wash to clean the spice and purify it? That should fix everything right?
 
I was just informed by psychosisdoses that I forgot an important step..I didn't let the paste dry before I mixed with acetone. I just scooped it all up and and placed in a beaker with acetone.


So this may be why I don't smell ANY acetone left, but there is still liquid.

Also, I'm almost positive that there is sodium carbonate or bi carbonate in the dish, or something other than dmt. It's PURE white, and looks like baking soda.

So how about...I let the entire dish evap COMPLETELY dry, and then scrape it all up and add to about 50ml of acetone? Anything other than dmt should sink to the bottom...and I could decant/filter and evap to get a more pure product?

What do ya guys think? Am I on the right track?
 
DreamWaves said:
I was just informed by psychosisdoses that I forgot an important step..I didn't let the paste dry before I mixed with acetone. I just scooped it all up and and placed in a beaker with acetone.


So this may be why I don't smell ANY acetone left, but there is still liquid.

Also, I'm almost positive that there is sodium carbonate or bi carbonate in the dish, or something other than dmt. It's PURE white, and looks like baking soda.

So how about...I let the entire dish evap COMPLETELY dry, and then scrape it all up and add to about 50ml of acetone? Anything other than dmt should sink to the bottom...and I could decant/filter and evap to get a more pure product?

What do ya guys think? Am I on the right track?
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yup. you didn't dry so acetone (miscible with water) carried over some water and sodium carbonate from the paste.

Letting the freebases dry off all the water and pull again with fresh acetone is the thing to do.
 
Alrighty, so I let the dish dry over night, and today I scraped it all up. It was pretty much half sodium carb and half dmt. I scooped it all up and placed it in a small 100mL beaker, and added acetone. I stirred it all around, and let the sodium carb sink to the bottom. I then decanted into a glass pan to evap.

Now, after a few hours, all acetone is gone, and there are beautiful white circle crystals growing all over the place. Though, it's not all done drying, there is still a thin clear thin wet layer with circles growing all over it. If all the acetone is gone, then shouldn't there be nothing wet left?
 
I can't see anywhere stating what kind of acetone it is. Here is what kind I bought ->
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And here is a picture of what I've got right now. the circle crystals are getting larger and more frequent ->
 
The precipitate is going to be waxy no matter what and will take a little while to dry on its own, but you can get a solid, dry product within an hour, if you like, by following this: Manual Crystallization - DMT-Nexus Wiki

This has more detailed outlines of the procedure and has a solution for preventing sodium carbonate contamination with the use of acetone (in the drytek conversion section). SWIM doesn't like the idea of using a plastic bag as a funnel with acetone, using a bottle as a filter funnel/column, as outlined in SWIM's procedure, works very well. Also, here's the general drytek conversion procedure: Drytek Freebase Conversion of DMT - DMT-Nexus Wiki

Also, SWIM's not positive of the purity of your acetone. SWIM always used to use Kleanstrip, which is indicated to be fairly pure by this: National Center for Forensic Science but he couldn't seem to find the one you have pictured, though you may want to take a look.
 
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So over night it dried quite well, the crystals almost looked to form patterns, very nice.

I scraped it all up, sadly, only got 650mg haha but that's just fine.

It looks just like the after scraping it up, it looks just like my dmt furmate. Though, I put a small bit near a flame and it vaped instantly.

So the final product turned out good, though I'm curious why it doesn't look like the jim jam shown in fati's tek, the rolled up peanut butter looking paste.


I'm doing another conversion right now with just 1g of furmate, gonna do it right this time and be clean. I'll let ya know what my yield is.
 
That is very odd. The freebase that SWIM and others used to get with acetone was waxy and flaky, then SWIM started making the more clay-like chunks to make it a bit more manageable. SWIM would recommend combining all material and following one of the three processes he listed.

If too much sodium carbonate is present in freebase, the spice can precipitate onto sodium carbonate crystals. Perhaps that's what happened? Also, if the fumarates weren't purified and the acetone not rendered anhydrous, a good deal of of sodium fumarate would make it through and have a similar result to the sodium carbonate.

Also, how was that fumarate produced? FASI? It won't be quite full-range if that's the case (what SWIM has pictured was produced by FASW before conversion, and the fumarates are much darker--ranging a dark tan to a deep red, depending on how they were crystallized), but SWIM used to do drytek conversion on FASA-produced fumarate and yielded pale yellow wax flakes.
 
Wow so much! haha. I used fasw to get the dmt furmate, is that okay? I did the BLAB, and pulled with fasw, and combined ALL the pulls together and evapped it all on one glass pan, no heat, just a fan. I got a good 8 grams of dmt furmate, no smell of oranges, just dmt.

I'm doing another conversion from furmate to fullrange, I tried being as clean as possible with it, I'll let you know what the final product looks like.

All I'm doing is stirring 1g dmt furmate with 2 parts sodium carbonate, and then adding a few drops of water to make it paste like, spread it thinly across the plate. Let it dry completely, then scrape up and put in the beaker, and fill wiht acetone and stir. Let the acetone and sodium carb sep, then decant and evap the acetone. That is literally what I am doing....so idk lol. I think the product is good though, I mean, it vapes instantly to heat, if it was dmt furmate wouldn't it more less just burn? And there isn't any left over residue after it vapes.
 
So acetone might not be pulling my jungle and noxide, just the white spice. But that's fine, in the future I'll pull with something else. My current conversion of 1g furmate ended up giving me .60g freebase, so about 60%. This isn't TOO bad, maybe it was a little less because it was missing the jungle and noxide.

Thanks again guys for the help.
 
DreamWaves said:
So acetone might not be pulling my jungle and noxide, just the white spice. But that's fine, in the future I'll pull with something else.
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SWIM's fairly certain that this is incorrect. Most of those chunks in that photo were made from an acetone-based drytek conversion, and they're definitely not pure DMT.

My current conversion of 1g furmate ended up giving me .60g freebase, so about 60%. This isn't TOO bad, maybe it was a little less because it was missing the jungle and noxide.
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.75 is the most you would ever get. You likely just had an abundance of excess fumaric acid, especially judging by the photo.
 
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