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Copelandia Cyanescens experience and dosage question (moving on from C-u-b-e-n-s-i-s))

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LByron

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C-u-b-e-s have been and old ally, but lately I've been having really confusing and difficult experiences with them, to the point where I've been contemplating moving on to other allies such as San Pedro or other s-h-r-o-o-m-s.

Based on certain posts from members of this forum, I've decided to give Copelandia Cyanescens (The Hawaiian) a test run, as I read they can be stronger, yet also more friendly and clear in the experience itself.

But I'm unsure of the dose. I'm surprisingly sensitive and can get off quite high of just 1.5g (1/20oz) of C-u-b-e-s. So friends, what do you think the recommended dose of Copelandia Cyanescens would be? :?:

Thank you!
 
It has been several years since my last experience with them, they have provided some of the most interesting journeys. I find both them and liberty caps give me reliable power. Cubes have required me to consume hefty doses to get to a starting point, libs and Copelandias have a far more sane dosage for me. I am unsure there is more friendliness or clarity in them. Unfortunately, I have no numbers for you, I seem to have a naturally high tolerance to tryps, so I doubt my numbers would be useful if I did. Everyone is different and we ourselves vary depending on situation.
 
In my experience, Copelandia/Panaeolus cyanescens mushrooms consistently provide a much higher order experience than P. cubensis...for me the "Hawaiian" strain of Copelandia cyanescens reliably yields a much cleaner, clearer, lighter, more lucid, colourful, crystalline, visionary state of bemushroomed consciousness, while being much smoother on the body, than P. cubensis, with a much easier coming up period, and much less of a body load than the latter, which tends to produce a foggier, muddier, more lethargic experience, more likely to induce mental turbulence, difficult and dark trips and weird alien archetype experiences. (I appreciate I may come across as a mushroom snob a bit here, but I still have a deep fondness and reverence for P. cubensis and have had many amazing experiences with them in the past...these days though personally I'm more concerned about the quality as oppose to quantity of mushrooms I ingest). I'm definitely not alone in having this perspective, and the majority consensus from people who have consumed both species is that Pan cyan provides a superior experience to that of P. cubensis (which is not a species held in particularly high regard by indigenous Mexican psilocybe using groups).

An interesting report I encountered on the shrooms subreddit group recently comparing Pan cyan with P. cubensis:


A relevant Nexus thread here:


...there are plenty of threads on the Shroomery and other mycology forums making comparisons regarding the experiential differences between Pan cyans and P. cubensis, and by far the majority consensus from people who have experience with both species is that Pans provide a superior, cleaner, higher order experience than P. cubensis, and this reflects my own experience too.

Dosage wise, 0.5g of dried Pan cyan mushrooms will be sufficient for a good experience (particularly if you are sensitive, which you appear to be), whereas 1g dried would provide a deep water psychedelic experience for most people (some dosage advice in the Copelandia cyanescens grow guide linked below).


If you are considering other species widely considered superior to P. cubensis in experiential quality (by indigenous Mexicans groups and growers alike), you may want to research P. hoogshagenii 'Semperviva' and P. mexicana, with the added bonus these may be easier species to grow than Copelandia cyanescens with the right grow setup.
 
Thanks for the informative post Bancopuma.

Do we know why there is a difference? I read comments about serototin content in Pan. Cyan. and more psilocin. However, serotonin content should not matter as it can't make it from the mushroom totl the brain. Also, starting with P. cubensis, psilocybin can be converted to psilocin in an acidic water extract right before consumption. The other theory I read is having less mushroom material reduces intestinal discomfort affecting the trip, but a water tea extract of cubensis reduces the amount of mushroom material that is ingested.

All of these reason seem pretty unconvincing and/or can be addressed by extracting the cubensis mushrooms in acidic water. Are there any other proposals (e.g. other pharmacology aspects) for why Pan. Cyan. is consistently reported to be better?

Thanks.
 
I think there are other tryptamines that affect the experience negatively. Substances that normally would hardly have any noticeable effects at all. Their main effects would be mostly vaso or bronchoconstriction or constriction of the stomach. If they would occur in shrooms, they would add to the mild physical discomforts that psilocin and psilocybin would already produce by themselves.

I agree with bancopuma about the dosage btw. If you haven't tried them yet, i would not take more than 1 gram dried. 1 gram would give a deep, but still pretty manageable experience.
 
Someone once posted a list of tryptamines found in shrooms. Beside tryptamine, psilocin, psilocybin, baeocystin, norbaeocystin, DMT, serotonin, melatonin, tryptophan, and 5-HO-tryptophan, there where several other, less well known tryptamines like kynurenine. And then there may be other alkaloïds as well, like the phenethylamine found in psilocybe semilanceata. Or yet other mycotoxins that aren't tryptamines or phenethylamines.
 
In Hawaiian cow pastures like 1/10 mushrooms are the pan cyan, or some low percentage. they look very similar to the others but are much stronger. It's hard to tell how strong it will be when I pick out here.
 
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