Could we all be Aliens?

[arcanum]

The thought has crossed my mind after making "entity contact" in hyperspace, that via the DMT mollecule one could reanimate latent molecular triggers that give access to our true origins. Sounds a bit far fetched, and indeed I never had such thoughts before my encounter with DMT.

Why does DMT alter previously held beliefs?


Interesting thoughts on the building blocks of life:

 

[nen888]

..it had occurred to me that this is what may be 'unique' about the human brain, and its rapid evolution, but this is too much for most people, really...

 

[SpartanII]

Alien hybridization/DNA activation is a possibility I've considered before.

 

[mayaself]

im with you on this.....part of our DNA origin could indeed contain coding implemented by aliens

 

[DoctorMantus]

We are Aliens, Maybe not in our eyes but to other living things we are.

 

[universecannon]

The seeded-earth theory is an interesting possibility to ponder

but regardless, we're still considered aliens to 99.9999999999999999% of the universe :d

 

[DoctorMantus]

The seeded-earth theory is an interesting possibility to ponder

but regardless, we're still considered aliens to 99.9999999999999999% of the universe :d

What about the 1% Lol

 

[Doodazzle]

Well, I'm not being dismissive at all...but the Ancient Astronaught theory has always bothered me just a bit--or at least some iterations of it. Some iterations of this notion seem to discredit our own ability to self direct our own evolution--an ability shared by all things. Animism is just a preference of mine, all things are conscious and have a part in there own development.

Then there's the fact that we are not at very much different from the rest of the animal kingdom, tool building, opposable thumbs, language, social structures, even seemingly human problems such as bullying and rape exist in other animals. How are we so different again? (rehtorical question! But answer if you must...)


Now the star seed thing does still resonate, we sense that it somehow feels right, but we're not certain why.

Look at the "stars are spitting out organic matter" thread in the science forum.

Also, please reemember McKennas dealio about mushroom spores having possible ET origin, and of course the part that he posits the mushroom may have played in shaping our evolution.

 

[DoctorMantus]

Well, I'm not being dismissive at all...but the Ancient Astronaught theory has always bothered me just a bit--or at least some iterations of it. Some iterations of this notion seem to discredit our own ability to self direct our own evolution--an ability shared by all things. Animism is just a preference of mine, all things are conscious and have a part in there own development.

Then there's the fact that we are not at very much different from the rest of the animal kingdom, tool building, opposable thumbs, language, social structures, even seemingly human problems such as bullying and rape exist in other animals. How are we so different again? (rehtorical question! But answer if you must...)


Now the star seed thing does still resonate, we sense that it somehow feels right, but we're not certain why.

Look at the "stars are spitting out organic matter" thread in the science forum.

Also, please reemember McKennas dealio about mushroom spores having possible ET origin, and of course the part that he posits the mushroom may have played in shaping our evolution.

No one said we differed from other species there are lots of similarities which makes it that much weirder to me.

But in my eyes the definition for Alien would be Different,not like others, unknown, i believe that us as human still don't know exactly what we are and that's pretty F-ing alien to me.

And yes of course Mckenna had made this great idea, i don't doubt the notion one bit, it surly was convenient those mushies were around you cant eat meat all day.

 

[tony]

i guess my simple answer to OP's question is yes, we could... well kinda. we can't be aliens since alien is a relative term and we are not alien to ourselves. we are the inhabitants of earth, things that are not the inhabitants of earth would be alien. our common ancestry can be traced back fairly far so if our ancestors hailed from some far away planet and we are descended from them how did earths life evolve from unintelligent life rather than from a life form which was already smart enough to travel here. unless of course some force other than the life forms themselves caused them to arrive on earth and evolve into us.

we can postulate any number of ways that life could have started here but it's not really useful i don't think since it can be neither falsified nor verified. even if we establish exactly how life began (abiogenesis seems a good bet) we could still never falsify a claim that it was placed here orignally by aliens, or by god... or by me in a previous life. but hey.. i still haven't tried dmt (that'll change in a couple of days) so perhaps my opinions will be altered in similar ways to other people have reported.

 

[Global]

Well, I'm not being dismissive at all...but the Ancient Astronaught theory has always bothered me just a bit--or at least some iterations of it. Some iterations of this notion seem to discredit our own ability to self direct our own evolution--an ability shared by all things. Animism is just a preference of mine, all things are conscious and have a part in there own development.

Then there's the fact that we are not at very much different from the rest of the animal kingdom, tool building, opposable thumbs, language, social structures, even seemingly human problems such as bullying and rape exist in other animals. How are we so different again? (rehtorical question! But answer if you must...)


Now the star seed thing does still resonate, we sense that it somehow feels right, but we're not certain why.

Look at the "stars are spitting out organic matter" thread in the science forum.

Also, please reemember McKennas dealio about mushroom spores having possible ET origin, and of course the part that he posits the mushroom may have played in shaping our evolution, and why we're far advanced from them.

Of course other species have similar features. I think the argument comes in that alien intervention is what sets us apart from them. Something down the line that spurred an un-natural evolutionary spring forward.

 

[tony]

Well, I'm not being dismissive at all...but the Ancient Astronaught theory has always bothered me just a bit--or at least some iterations of it. Some iterations of this notion seem to discredit our own ability to self direct our own evolution--an ability shared by all things. Animism is just a preference of mine, all things are conscious and have a part in there own development.

Then there's the fact that we are not at very much different from the rest of the animal kingdom, tool building, opposable thumbs, language, social structures, even seemingly human problems such as bullying and rape exist in other animals. How are we so different again? (rehtorical question! But answer if you must...)


Now the star seed thing does still resonate, we sense that it somehow feels right, but we're not certain why.

Look at the "stars are spitting out organic matter" thread in the science forum.

Also, please reemember McKennas dealio about mushroom spores having possible ET origin, and of course the part that he posits the mushroom may have played in shaping our evolution, and why we're far advanced from them.

Of course other species have similar features. I think the argument comes in that alien intervention is what sets us apart from them. Something down the line that spurred an un-natural evolutionary spring forward.

is there a reason to think that our evolution was unnatural? we have a level of self awareness not found in other animals and highly developed language systems, but considering the length of time it took for us to get to this stage is there anything that makes it hard to believe that we developed these traits naturally simply as a result of survival?

 

[Doodazzle]

Another reason why the Ancient Astronaught/alien anscestry theories may resonate so easily:


Bugs seem alien, right?


Human society, once we started building cities, is structured much like a hive.


Exhibiting hive like-like traits puts us into a morphogenetic creode established by the hive bugs, the ants and bees. Er, to anyone not familiar with Rupert Sheldrake, what I postulating is that at some point in human evolution we began to stratify and specialise human functionings ala hive-like behavoir. By behaving like a hive, we put ourselves into a resonance with hives that have gone before, we become more hive-ike, seemingly "Alien" perhaps merely because bugs are just so far divergent from us. We are one of only two vertibrate species that can be readily classified as a hive species, the other is a subterrienian rodent, I forget the name.


This does not nessesarily discount nor refute any ancient astronaught theories per se, certainly the two nbotions could jibe. Warning, I may follow that digression later.

 

[Global]

Well, I'm not being dismissive at all...but the Ancient Astronaught theory has always bothered me just a bit--or at least some iterations of it. Some iterations of this notion seem to discredit our own ability to self direct our own evolution--an ability shared by all things. Animism is just a preference of mine, all things are conscious and have a part in there own development.

Then there's the fact that we are not at very much different from the rest of the animal kingdom, tool building, opposable thumbs, language, social structures, even seemingly human problems such as bullying and rape exist in other animals. How are we so different again? (rehtorical question! But answer if you must...)


Now the star seed thing does still resonate, we sense that it somehow feels right, but we're not certain why.

Look at the "stars are spitting out organic matter" thread in the science forum.

Also, please reemember McKennas dealio about mushroom spores having possible ET origin, and of course the part that he posits the mushroom may have played in shaping our evolution, and why we're far advanced from them.

Of course other species have similar features. I think the argument comes in that alien intervention is what sets us apart from them. Something down the line that spurred an un-natural evolutionary spring forward.

is there a reason to think that our evolution was unnatural? we have a level of self awareness not found in other animals and highly developed language systems, but considering the length of time it took for us to get to this stage is there anything that makes it hard to believe that we developed these traits naturally simply as a result of survival?

I didn't mean to imply that these things couldn't come around as means of survival. I was merely pointing out that there could have been that artificial "slingshot". If you're going to make the case for survival, I think you have to come up with a more detailed scenario to account for the missing link.

 

[tony]

Well, I'm not being dismissive at all...but the Ancient Astronaught theory has always bothered me just a bit--or at least some iterations of it. Some iterations of this notion seem to discredit our own ability to self direct our own evolution--an ability shared by all things. Animism is just a preference of mine, all things are conscious and have a part in there own development.

Then there's the fact that we are not at very much different from the rest of the animal kingdom, tool building, opposable thumbs, language, social structures, even seemingly human problems such as bullying and rape exist in other animals. How are we so different again? (rehtorical question! But answer if you must...)


Now the star seed thing does still resonate, we sense that it somehow feels right, but we're not certain why.

Look at the "stars are spitting out organic matter" thread in the science forum.

Also, please reemember McKennas dealio about mushroom spores having possible ET origin, and of course the part that he posits the mushroom may have played in shaping our evolution, and why we're far advanced from them.

Of course other species have similar features. I think the argument comes in that alien intervention is what sets us apart from them. Something down the line that spurred an un-natural evolutionary spring forward.

is there a reason to think that our evolution was unnatural? we have a level of self awareness not found in other animals and highly developed language systems, but considering the length of time it took for us to get to this stage is there anything that makes it hard to believe that we developed these traits naturally simply as a result of survival?

I didn't mean to imply that these things couldn't come around as means of survival. I was merely pointing out that there could have been that artificial "slingshot". If you're going to make the case for survival, I think you have to come up with a more detailed scenario to account for the missing link.

sorry if i sounded confrontational. i knew what you meant, i was just asking if there was any reason to think that the slingshot suggestion could be the case.

 

[tele]

There are many theories on this. For example Zecharia sitchin's annunaki talk... Where he claims ancient sumerians had writings about ancient aliens crossbreeding humans.
But there was a very great acceleration of evolution that seems unnatural in human history, from "monkeys to homo sapiens" it was too fast in natural rythm. T. Mckenna also talked about it.
But for sure we are aliens to those who are alien to us:wink:

 

[tony]

thanks tele i'll have a look at the talk you mentioned. i have heard these types of theories mentioned in passing before but have never heard much about the basis of them, that talk could be a good starting point. at the end of the day anything is possible and we can never know anything for sure. i've been watching star trek TNG for a few weeks now (virtually back to back, onto season 6 now :d ) so i definitely can see the appeal in thinking of scenarios like aliens coming to our planet and seeding life or tampering with our evolution, but for it to advance to anything other than speculation and get into the realm of something that could/should be believed there would need to be some fairly compelling reasons.

 

[Sky Motion]

We are Aliens, Maybe not in our eyes but to other living things we are.

This.

 

[tele]

thanks tele i'll have a look at the talk you mentioned. i have heard these types of theories mentioned in passing before but have never heard much about the basis of them, that talk could be a good starting point. at the end of the day anything is possible and we can never know anything for sure. i've been watching star trek TNG for a few weeks now (virtually back to back, onto season 6 now :d ) so i definitely can see the appeal in thinking of scenarios like aliens coming to our planet and seeding life or tampering with our evolution, but for it to advance to anything other than speculation and get into the realm of something that could/should be believed there would need to be some fairly compelling reasons.

Well if you begin to look into the subject, there are plenty of weird stuff in our history.
Puma punku, baalbek and nazca lines are some weird places if you read the details.

baalbek(how in the * did they move stones like that, which we nowadays probably can't move):

Egyptian tomb:

etc etc.

 

[DoctorMantus]

We are Aliens, Maybe not in our eyes but to other living things we are.

This.

^ :lol: