Curiousity

[SWEETS]

So, I have been lucid dreaming since I can remembered as a young kid, and have been in and out of practicing it over the years. I had fun being in a VR lifelike dreams where everything was possible at will and whatever I could imagine. They happened naturally at first, without trying or knowing what a lucid dream was. Eventually I started practicing getting into them, wich would take an hour maybe. After a bunch of successfull attempts I could jump into them in 5 -15 minutes. Wich is around when I became more curious about whats actually going on in them, and what may be possible to discover if anything. I play around with some ideas of the subconscious and dream characters while in them, teleporting to locations to enjoy different views around the world and heard about out of body experiences and always imagined it was just people lucid dreaming and not actually going out of body. But anyways... eventually I would put it all down for years and walk away from it and stop intentionally going into lucid dreams, but, i would just wake up in dreams and become lucid anyways. I have tons of thing I could share about them, and 30+ years of experiences that are pretty far out there. Some I dont think people would believe. But recently I have seen people on podcasts share some that are simular to mine. And some i can verify. Also have alot of curiousty about things im still unsure about.
Anyways I heard about this new thing called dmt (new to me anyway) and I think they relate in simular ways. So its made me curious about it. Enough to search the web and reddit and eventually land me here.

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Im not sure exactly where to start.... a bunch of links that have mixed reviews makes me feel lost. I am curious to try these experiences tho, I know from personal experience that being centered emotionally and clear is a way to even teach yourself something like photographic memory so to speak. I have been able to close my eyes and pull up a picture I can zoom in and out of and pan around it like you would be able to do with a phone screen. But all with just my intent. So it has me curious what I could take away from a dmt experience. I have heard alot of storys shared about them, and I think they are pretty unique to each individual so I dont really expect to know what it may be like. But anyways... here to try to find my way into one if I can.

 

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Hi @SWEETS, welcome to the Nexus.

After a bunch of successfull attempts I could jump into them in 5 -15 minutes

That's good, were you able to do it consistently every night you chose to? What technique were you using, WILD or something like that?

I have tons of thing I could share about them, and 30+ years of experiences that are pretty far out there

Please do if you don't mind. Here most users are interested in different consciousness exploration methods, not only DMT. So I'm sure many would find it interesting (I would).

Anyways I heard about this new thing called dmt (new to me anyway) and I think they relate in simular ways

On a very loose sense yes, one could say there are some similarities when compared to normal, day to day consciousness. For example, there can be in both cases the feeling of being in a different reality. But I don't think they're too similar in other respects. You mention the feeling of control with lucid dreams, that you can make things happen at will: with DMT, it's the opposite. You have little to zero control, and attempting to control the experience is one of the most common ways of having a bad time. A skill to be developed with DMT (and psychedelics in general) is being able to lose fear and let go. That's why some people interpret the DMT experience as putting one into contact with another actually existing plane of reality.

There is another psychoactive substance that is commonly used to potentiate DMT or to make it possible to have DMT orally: harmalas. Those have their own effects, and are much closer to lucid dreams. In fact, right now there's a conversation about it going on on this thread: Harmine vs Harmaline vs Mixed Harmalas . With pure harmalas or a heavy dose of harmalas with some oral DMT I've had experiences very similar to lucid dreams, but I was awake. Other users have experienced lucid dreams from them. With your ease to lucid dream, it could be a good avenue to explore.

Glad to have you here

 

[SWEETS]

Yes, I can go choose to go into lucid dreams at will. Every night. Or mid day or whenever i want. But i only do them at night, because its just easier as im already tired wich makes it easier than doing them mid day where you have to take the time to lay down and get tired when your not, so it takes longer just to prep yourself.

Im not sure about any WILD method. Im not apart of any lucid dreaming community's so maybe im not familure with some common terms people use? Im not sure. But i just focus my intent and imagine a scene or picture with my eyes closed, at random, and then I enter the picture. Thats my method.

Iv only checked a community on lucid dreams once and it was full of people who didn't seem to be as experienced and full of posts of people asking how to do things inside of the dreams that I havnt ever had any problems with, so it didn't seem like there was anything I could learn there, besides one post I noticed. Where somebody said that he couldn't read a book, or read anything inside of a lucid dream and he believed that nobody could. Where I then immediately put myself in one to find out if this was true? ... wich is kind of was. Wich was super surprising to me... You can read but very limited. So I found that neat, but never went back to a lucid dream community.

Recently I have been more curious about it because iv been seeing podcasts on people sharing story's about things I was coming to conclusions about with it before I stopped the last time, like remote viewing and out of body. Wich are things I dabbled with before somewhat scaring myself and deciding I might be turning myself crazy. Because what I found out is that I can find information that should be impossible by going into a different state then a lucid dream and just asking for it... I randomly found a Ted talk with an ex CIA person explain the EXACT process and step by step that i did to achieve this when i was 16. So seeing this ted talk years later was so wild to me, to discover that there was actual research being done here, and that there is actual other people who know about this. Made me feel not so alone with it, and that its verified was a big deal to me, i knew, but i wouldnt ever tell anybody something like that, because nobody would believe me, but, i now knew that other people knew. Iv always been self taught and didnt know anyone else out there was curious the same way i was. I didn't really know anyone else knew about these things and didn't see discussions about them, but now I feel more open about it because I have seen people discussing it. And dont feel so alienated so to speak. Theres multiple different states you can put yourself in naturally I found. And they each come with there own discussions on what they could be or mean.

And after seeing things like the red light laser, and entitys, this has me curious.
Along with many other topics.

 

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Im not sure about any WILD method. Im not apart of any lucid dreaming community's so maybe im not familure with some common terms people use? Im not sure. But i just focus my intent and imagine a scene or picture with my eyes closed, at random, and then I enter the picture. Thats my method.

Yes, it's what you do. WILD means "Wake-Induced Lucid Dreaming". So you enter the lucid dream from the wake state instead of waiting to start dreaming and get lucid after the dream has started.

Iv only checked a community on lucid dreams once and it was full of people who didn't seem to be as experienced

Probably, but also it's something that some people find naturally easy, and others difficult. Most people that can lucid dream can't do it every night even if they wanted to. Me personally, I've never been able to have a lucid dream, despite trying for some months.

I found that neat, but never went back to a lucid dream community

You're probably not missing much if it's on Reddit or similar places. But maybe you'll find the Lucid Dreaming Experience magazine interesting: The Lucid Dreaming Experience

to discover that there was actual research being done here, and that there is actual other people who know about this

Yes, since the late 80s it has been studied by Stephen LaBerge and others. I'm glad seeing that other people know about it was helpful to feel less alone.

And after seeing things like the red light laser, and entitys, this has me curious.

Don't take what people say about that too seriously, they are speculations. It's best to see it and decide by yourself

 

[Transform]

story's about things I was coming to conclusions about with it before I stopped the last time, like remote viewing and out of body. Wich are things I dabbled with before somewhat scaring myself and deciding I might be turning myself crazy.

You should try reading "Into the Void" by Zoe7. You'd probably see references to it on the lucid dreaming forums, at least very occasionally.

Regarding, DMT - which appears to be at least partly behind the reason why you're here - it's far better to extract it for yourself from trusted plant material than to gamble your money and potentially your health on an unregulated product from an unknown third party. I'd say it was right for you to trust your intuition on that point.

Fortunately, now that you've found the Nexus you've put yourself in a position to begin finding out more about plant-based entheogens and whether any particular aspects of this field might be suited to you.

Equally, we'd be delighted to hear about the specifics of how you go about your meditation technique for lucid dreaming as a method of exploring consciousness.

And, welcome to the Nexus!

 

[Jamie01]

It sounds like you have a natural ability to lucid dream. I have always experienced them without trying. I think it’s due to chronic sleep paralysis.

It’s interesting that no matter how much some people try they fail at achieving lucidity. I don’t think it’s something everyone can just learn to do reliably honestly. I think it’s just something some people naturally do and some don’t.

It has its downsides too…like chronic exhaustion.

It doesn’t replace psychedelics imo. And vice versa.

Ketamine and ibogaine might hit the closest ime.

 

[Jamie01]

SWEETS… do you have your own persistent realm?

I do. It’s been shaped pretty extensively over the past 20 years and I go there nightly. Often I’ve picked up where I left off…I have a home there and take the same transit through the same city etc…I can travel between Peru, Seattle and Sweden in like 60 minutes via car. It’s pretty weird and began as a conglomerate of a real life nude beach I used to frequent and surf locations that exist only in my mind. It was like never never land and slowly became a whole city. Sometimes I am lucid there as well. I have been able to bring more of my real life memory into the place…like I can often remember my wife in the real world and then she’s a part of it.

It’s not something anyone ever understands or even believes unless they also have similarly rich and odd dream lives.

I always wonder how many other people experience some level of a persistent realm..and if it overlaps with lucidity.

 

[Transform]

I have persistent dream realms too, developing over the years rather like you describe. They tend to appear at random, though, in the sense that they won't reliably recur on subsequent nights.

There are some quite consistent rehashes of various places I'm familiar with, but of course they join together in illogical ways. Some of the places were regular for a time, yet now I haven't visited them for years.

Since I have a naturally good sense of direction, I feel some of this is due to my 'map circuits' having a bit of a nocturnal stretch, coupled in with mnemonic tools based around various life experiences. This does rather make me wish I'd managed to keep a dream diary. The trouble is, when I attempt to record dreams in that fashion, they melt away to nothing, the mercurial imps that they are.

 

[Tagwyl]

Hello SWEETS, welcome to this forum. Im new to DMT so I cant help much there.

I am fascinated by your lucid dream experience, and admittedly kinda jealous. I have to try really hard to have lucid dreams, and even with extensive effort, I can only seem to manage having 2-3 per month.

It's been almost a year since I've put effort towards it, and haven't had any spontaneous lucidity during this time. I would definately like to hear more about how you go about your own lucidity, maybe there's something there that could be a lightbulb moment for myself, which would be amazing.

I look forward to hearing more from you here, especially as you get your feet wet with DMT, and can share your opinion and perspective on it, given your history with lucid dreaming.