D-Limonene vs. Xylene

[Rideronthewheel]

Hi all,

reading up about Q21Q21's Vinegar/Lime A/B Extraction Tek:

Q21Q21's Vinegar/Lime A/B Extraction Tek - DMT-Nexus Wiki

wiki.dmt-nexus.me

I like this method because, as it says, "Jimjam" is a "full-spectrum product" that includes alkaloids and 'flavors' that pure white, Naphtha-obtained, DMT doesn't . So that's intriguing on its own (is it true?) Secondly, the materials needed can be 100% food-safe and non-toxic. That's a big plus for me at least.

The only variable in the tek's materials list is D-Limonene or Xylene as the solvent. Both absorb more than Naphtha, apparently, but I'm wondering which is better for the chemistry. I'd prefer to use a non-toxic chemical, but if Xylene is more effective at absorbing DMT and the related alkaloids, I might use it instead.

Anybody know from experience?

Thanks

 

[benzyme]

go with xylene. the xlogp of dmt is closer to that of xylene, it's more structurally similar because of the fully conjugated benzene ring. because of this, it doesn't need to be heated, nor are multiple extractions really necessary.

xylene isn't very toxic, just don't drink it.

 

[Rideronthewheel]

Thanks a lot benzyme. Xylene it will be then if I can in fact find any MHRB powder. Things don't look so good out there for buying in the U.S. anymore...

 

[benzyme]

tbh, I have no idea about the bark or where to procure it.
all I know is chemicals.

although, I did get some seeds to plant trees in the spring

 

[Parshvik Chintan]

they both work great.
i prefer limonene because i feel i am not even cautious enough with food-safe chems, and because if you are going to make your entire house reek, orange peel is a much better smell than xylene. my first extraction attempt was that same Q21Q21 tek and it came out great.
got a good harvest of potent red goopy jim-jam (it was just a small little 50g extract, but i got enough for a couple doses).

my second attempt and i got probably over 2%. my first pull was a 3.8 gram (from 1LB of mhrb) ball of dmt resin - and i ended up getting probably 2.5 times as much in oily goop which was too difficult to weigh - probably enough to last me a life time and there is still more left over to pull. i definitely got way more than 1% that is for sure.


also i think one tip that might have helped was that i waited at least week to do my first pull..

2 pulls done around 24 hours and 48 hours (or later) should be enough to get 80%-90% of the DMT (In my experience)

i found this to not be the case at all, my third pull was done probably a good 4 days after my first pull, and was the biggest of the entire extraction (and actually slightly more resinous and less oily than the second and latter pulls)

also when i added the limo to the basified bark, i stirred the hell out of it (as long as your material is moist, the limo will float on top of it) with a metal spoon until it took on a deep color change (from clear to yellowy-orange). i like to think it helped, it certainly didn't hurt.

also also i added an acid cook step at the beginning (i was using a glass container, so i let it sit in the oven at 195ºF for a good 2 hours before adding base)

best of luck to you in your extraction. extracting is even more addictive than ingesting, so be careful

 

[fractalelf]

extracting is even more addictive than ingesting, so be careful

I know this was made in a playful spirit, but there is so much ignorance and stupidity in our world, don't let yourself be misquoted!
For any stray visitor here who does not know already, ingesting ayahuasca and pharmahuasca is NOT addictive!
You can say about the physical act of extraction, on the other hand, anything you want. I say doing such chemistry gives one godlike euphoria!

 

[jamie]

Ive used both. There is no difference. If you want to get technical about it w/e have at it. Essentially for what we are doing there is no difference..other than xylene smells so bad you need to do it outside or have a fume hood..where limonene just smells like volatile orange oil..

Also if you are in an apartment or something using xylene can raise eyebrows..that stuff smells and if others smell it...

At this point some of the smoothest changa I have made came from sunflower oil..so go figure. People who say food grade teks dont produce nice spice prob just never tried or dont understand how to clean something.

 

[PupilOfPerception]

extracting is even more addictive than ingesting, so be careful

I know this was made in a playful spirit, but there is so much ignorance and stupidity in our world, don't let yourself be misquoted!
For any stray visitor here who does not know already, ingesting ayahuasca and pharmahuasca is NOT addictive!

Actually, you can become addicted to just about anything if your personality is geared that way. To be precise, I'd say that they are not physically addicting. Psychological addiction is something else entirely.

 

[AfroHorror]

I started my first attempt at an extraction with xylene a few days ago. (my d-limonene arrived the next day ha ha)
I wanted to know, Would a mixture of the two solvents have any effects on the extraction?
Would re-using the vinegar [acid wash/salting] make a more concentrated solution?

 

[Parshvik Chintan]

Would re-using the vinegar [acid wash/salting] make a more concentrated solution?

the vinegar would come close to saturation so it probably wouldn't absorb as much as new fresh vinegar.

as far as mixing limo and xylene, i don't think it would be any different then limonene by itself (i think xylene might be slightly more selective, but not mixed with limo), but it would make the xylene smell better(probably).