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Deciding on a DMT extraction Tek for my first time

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Loveall said:
Madhattress said:
Loveall said:
Toluene is less stinky, but I guess you have xylene from Kash's A/B already.

Simply dump a teaspoon of benzoic acid into the xylene. It dissolves and
DMT xtlas precipitate out. BS recommended freezer xtalization.

Essentially it is like a CIELO solvent/acid combo but for DMT.


Benzoic acid is easy to find. It is used in the food and cosmetic industry.
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So after doing a pull with Xylene i would add benzoic acid and then a freezer precipitation or evaporate? And how many pulls should be done at how many ml of xylene for a 50g mhrb extraction?


How much benzoic acid would one use?

Sorry for all the questions just want to understand for if i do this.
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No evaporation. About a teaspoon per quart of xylene/toluene is plenty. It will cloud/crash at room temperature, to fully crash it all put in the freezer per BW (now BS, sorry). However, time alone also helps crash it well at room temp.
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Hey Loveall,

Just a question as im still trying to understand the world of DMT extraction knowledge.

I am struggling to find Benzoic acid locally and will have to order but can only be here Tuesday.

I was wondering if there is an alternative salt to use for the Xylene pull?


Also if lets say i did not opt for the salt step and evaporated the xylene, which isnt ideal as that solvent is quite intense and im sure you wouldnt want to ingest any trace elements... but then is it possible to recrystalize the evaporated goo with a freezer precipitation if there is any(i assume goo?) in Naphtha or is this not possible?
 
IMO xylene pulls are always worth doing after naphtha pulls, polymorphic dmt fraction (if present) is not super soluble in naphtha and is more soluble in xylene. If nothing else, it is a test if your bark is properly extracted.

If sodium benzoate is more easily available to you, you could make benzoic acid from it quite easily. If you like crystals, you will enjoy this procedure, benzoic acid crystalized from water is beautiful.

I would recommend not to evaporate xylene (reusing solvents should be your goal), better is to salt out your dmt with some acid (acetic, citric, ascorbic) into the water.
 
doubledog said:
IMO xylene pulls are always worth doing after naphtha pulls, polymorphic dmt fraction (if present) is not super soluble in naphtha and is more soluble in xylene. If nothing else, it is a test if your bark is properly extracted.

If sodium benzoate is more easily available to you, you could make benzoic acid from it quite easily. If you like crystals, you will enjoy this procedure, benzoic acid crystalized from water is beautiful.

I would recommend not to evaporate xylene (reusing solvents should be your goal), better is to salt out your dmt with some acid (acetic, citric, ascorbic) into the water.
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I will just be patient then and order the benzoic acid for delivery Tuesday. I will do the Napha pull so long and then keep the solvent in the freezer until the BC arrives.


So once i have the BC delivered, i will add a little bit (half teaspoon or so to two 50ml pulls from each jar?). Then i would freezer precipitate this and then im not sure how to go from there. Will the dmt then crystalize and need further purification? Just a little unclear still about this last step.
 
I have never used benzoic with dmt, so my advice would not be based on experience.
But in this phase of extraction, dmt and mescaline freebase are very similar when dissolved in xylene. If you did Kash AB on cactus and want to use another acid, you already know what to do.
 
doubledog said:
I have never used benzoic with dmt, so my advice would not be based on experience.
But in this phase of extraction, dmt and mescaline freebase are very similar when dissolved in xylene. If you did Kash AB on cactus and want to use another acid, you already know what to do.
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Ohhhh i see. So i would add water and then citric acid(i used hydrochloric acid for the kash AB) until the water has a PH of below 7? Or is it lower for DMT?


And then obviously evaporate and collect?
 
doubledog said:
I have never used benzoic with dmt, so my advice would not be based on experience.
But in this phase of extraction, dmt and mescaline freebase are very similar when dissolved in xylene. If you did Kash AB on cactus and want to use another acid, you already know what to do.
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Thanks for the input, sorry about all the questions. Still learning everyday and just want to make sure i understand before continuing with the next step. :oops: Have been looking through other threads but wasnt finding a good one that explained about extracting from a xylene pull. But now that i understand that its the same concept as the kash AB acid step i have done before.
 
Yes, that's it. I would go to pH 6, just to be sure.
Product will be of course salt form of dmt, not freebase, but according to recent posts here, this is also able to vaporize.

It is possible that presence of water could mean more impurities in comparison with product crystalized directly from the solvent, so maybe oral consumption would be better than inhalation. Hard to say, maybe it does not matter.

You can also make freebase from dmt salt - just dissolve it in a small amount of water, basify, Dmt fb precipitates and can be filtered out.
 
doubledog said:
Yes, that's it. I would go to pH 6, just to be sure.
Product will be of course salt form of dmt, not freebase, but according to recent posts here, this is also able to vaporize.

It is possible that presence of water could mean more impurities in comparison with product crystalized directly from the solvent, so maybe oral consumption would be better than inhalation. Hard to say, maybe it does not matter.

You can also make freebase from dmt salt - just dissolve it in a small amount of water, basify, Dmt fb precipitates and can be filtered out.
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Amazing, understood! Thanks for the info, its very appreciated :)
 
Extract desired information from this forum is quite difficult, it is similar to extracting mescaline into xylene šŸ˜
It's there, but it's time consuming and needs dedication.
 
doubledog said:
Extract desired information from this forum is quite difficult, it is similar to extracting mescaline into xylene šŸ˜
It's there, but it's time consuming and needs dedication.
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Haha agreed! I was reading so many threads that just overloaded me with different information but this is very clear to me now :lol: Thank god i have done the Kash AB otherwise id probably still be confused :lol:
 
doubledog said:
Good luck with your extractions :)

I really like your pictures in CIELO thread :thumb_up:
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Thank you! Will post some results if i get anything or not. Really curious to see if its my quality of bark or if i need to look at doing another tek. Maybe as Trip suggested to try an AB tek and see if it yields any better.


And thanks, this current cielo extraction has such beautiful xtal formation i could not resist taking a couple of pics šŸ˜Š curious to see if it changes any more over the next 2 days. :love:
 
Just to confirm I believe if your making dmt benzoate then it is not like kashs A/B mescaline tek it's more like cielo except xylene instead of EA and benzoic acid instead of citric. There's no water involved. Benzoic isn't even water soluble.

Dmt benzoate can be smoked it's smoother than freebase but you need a bit more.
 
_Trip_ said:
Just to confirm I believe if your making dmt benzoate then it is not like kashs A/B mescaline tek it's more like cielo except xylene instead of EA and benzoic acid instead of citric. There's no water involved. Benzoic isn't even water soluble.

Dmt benzoate can be smoked it's smoother than freebase but you need a bit more.
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Hey Trip,

Yes I do understand. We were just discussing different approaches to pull the DMT from the Xylene. It is good to know there is more than one way to do it. But i must say the Benzoic Acid does sound tempting to do since I love Cielo so much. šŸ˜
 
Alright sweet. I think you'll like the dmt benzoate method. You can also use d-limo instead of xylene but if you have xylene stick with that. Limo is more "food safe" but you'll get a orange taste on your tongue when smoking/ (mesh) vaping it.
 
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Alright sweet. I think you'll like the dmt benzoate method. You can also use d-limo instead of xylene but if you have xylene stick with that. Limo is more "food safe" but you'll get a orange taste on your tongue when smoking/ (mesh) vaping it.
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So im thinking for this pull i might take the Xylene and add water with citric acid until PH of 6 is obtained. Then pull and evaporate the water and then do the following.

1 Fumarates to Freebase Water Crystallization Conversion
1.1 Type 1 - The slow pure white crystallization method


This would fine?


Just because i dont have benzoic acid on hand and had to order it and will take a few days to arrive. But then i have it on hand for the next time i do an extraction and can do that instead of this method i want to do now....
 
You have many options it just depends on what you want.

If you don't mind evaporating the xylene then do that, the dmt will be more polymer (therefor oily) but it will solidify and be fine for vaping. You could also make changa with the oily dmt and infuse it on a herb (preferably with extracted harmala FB).


If you want pure white or yellow crystals you can try a re-x, a mini a/b or add it to the next extraction.

If you want to save the xylene for reuse (and not evaporate) then the benzoic acid route is the best IMO. The xylene loaded with dmt can sit in a jar for a few more days while you wait for it to arrive.

You ofcourse could try a water acid collection (citric acid i think will work).
Now, this would be a good idea if you want to do an e-juice (you can add it to PG/VG) then dmt citrate will work fine (it will be a goo though). (You can always rebase this for freebase with a mini a/b as previously stated).

If you want dmt fumarate then you can add acetone saturated fumaric acid to the xylene and precipitate dmt fumarate directly from the solvent. However the xylene will have acetone contamination.(Again you can always rebase this for freebase with a mini a/b as previously stated). Dmt fumarate is good for storage but so is dmt benzoate, except it would appear dmt benzoate is a much better candidate as you can smoke/ vape it too but I don't think either are good for e-juice (definitely not dmt benzoate.).
 
_Trip_ said:
You have many options it just depends on what you want.

If you don't mind evaporating the xylene then do that, the dmt will be more polymer (therefor oily) but it will solidify and be fine for vaping. You could also make changa with the oily dmt and infuse it on a herb (preferably with extracted harmala FB).


If you want pure white or yellow crystals you can try a re-x, a mini a/b or add it to the next extraction.

If you want to save the xylene for reuse (and not evaporate) then the benzoic acid route is the best IMO. The xylene loaded with dmt can sit in a jar for a few more days while you wait for it to arrive.

You ofcourse could try a water acid collection (citric acid i think will work).
Now, this would be a good idea if you want to do an e-juice (you can add it to PG/VG) then dmt citrate will work fine (it will be a goo though). (You can always rebase this for freebase with a mini a/b as previously stated).

If you want dmt fumarate then you can add acetone saturated fumaric acid to the xylene and precipitate dmt fumarate directly from the solvent. However the xylene will have acetone contamination.(Again you can always rebase this for freebase with a mini a/b as previously stated). Dmt fumarate is good for storage but so is dmt benzoate, except it would appear dmt benzoate is a much better candidate as you can smoke/ vape it too but I don't think either are good for e-juice (definitely not dmt benzoate.).
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Ahh okay i see. i actually do want to make E juice as i love DMT in vapes. So this would actually be perfect.

DO you think if i choose the water collection method that there are better acids to use? I used HCl for my Kash AB mescaline extraction, would this maybe be an option as well instead of citrate? I have both these acids on hand.
 
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