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DSTiamat

Rising Star
hello PPL,
in short my problems: I am depressed, pretty badly (the kind of depression without motivation/energy), I tried many meds, most of them didnt work, some worked partially (like Sertraline that I am taking right now), it doesnt let me fall that deep into the abyss, but life still isnt nice.I heard that Aya and DMT can heal many many things related to subconciousness/inner problems, some said that its like psychotherapy, so I would like to know some oppinions, think it would help me? Could it bring some changes to my life?
I tried Shrooms, they made me feel wonderfull the next day and ok for some time after, but Im looking ( if possible) for the long lasting changes.

TY very much and sorry for the wall of text.

DST
 
There are several threads on depression and psychedelics that you may want to search for. In short, taking DMT may give you a boost, but in the long run, I don't think it will cure your depression any more than the mushrooms did.

If lack of motivation/ energy is what you're dealing with, ADD medication may help you get out of the loop, but only in the short term.
 
Dear DisTiamat

I too can feel a bit under the blues. I think it's best to understand first of all what makes you feel this way,
secondly (this is just from experience) just relax and try to make sense of your feelings
embrace them with all sureness of yourself
Vocalise, express yourself perhaps in some way
and perhaps try some DMT, I 'm no doctor in anyway
but DMT is comforting in the sense especially that makes you feel like
everything were infused with love
go out side and walk on a small decent dose
You will see that all nature genuinely truely cares about you
Heck I don't even know who you are and I care about you
depression is caused by good people who love themselves badly
I wish you love, DisTiamat

forget all your problems, man
and if you don't have any try supplementing with OTC all natrual medcine like 5htp, SAM-e, L phenylanine, l theanine
and see if any of those work good enough for you
god bless
JVH
 
I don't think there exists some miracle cure for depression but psychedelics can certainly help. On the other hand, I also know a person who's severely depressed and his use of psychedelics has always just been a form of escapism which makes matters even worse...

If you wish to use psychedelics as a therapeutic aid you must be willing to face your problems, get in touch with your emotions and integrate your experience into your daily life. Exercise and meditation can also be very helpful.

You may also want to take a look at this thread: Plant based Anti-depressants - Health and Lifestyle - Welcome to the DMT-Nexus

Take care :)
 
I have taken SSRI and S(S)NRI for many Years and while they stabilised my mood, they never really lifted it. So when taking the venlafaxine, I was kind of restless but still unhappy. The citaloprame made me accept my situation and feel kind of foggy but still sad.

The big change came, when i got off the Meds and at the same time started doing sports, eating thoughtful, taking supplements, quitting Alcohol and now after around 10 weeks even quitting Cigarettes.

I began to feel OK with myself which was something I didn´t feel for a very long time. So even if my life isn´t like it could be, i´m okay with it and accept it. I feel like i´m in control again and if I was in the bed the whole day, then it´s okay, because i decided so. I wouldn´t call this happieness but it´s pretty close to what I was after :)

The Spice did lift my mood for sure. It was such an incredible discovery how couldn´t it. But after I had entered Hyperspace several times, and got used to the new possibilities of being, I felt that for the moment there wasn´t much more to discover and I took a break, knowing I could use if I wanted to.

Hope this helps somehow
 
I can relate to this.

About 2 years ago I came down with a sudden bout of depression. There wasn't anything that caused it. I'm employed, no debt, family is very loving and supportive, no heartbreak or relationship worries and my physical health was fine.

However, I couldn't get motivated and started cutting myself because I wasn't happy in life. And this was before I got into psychedelics.

I went to the doctor and he advised me to take 7 weeks off work and prescribed me 10mg of Citalopram which later he upped the dose to 20mg. That did absolutely nothing for me except a bit of insomnia.

Using my time away from work and in the heat of summertime I started to spend more time outdoors mountain biking (which is my 2nd love). Then when I was tired from the day out I would meditate. I would clear my thoughts and just relax. At 4 weeks into my time away from work I binned the Citalopram as I got fitter. I went against my doctors advice to keep taking them but I proved him wrong.

Now I feel like a new man and also stronger willed through my experience.
 
Hi DSTiamat, sorry to hear you're not too good at the moment.

Why don't you try researching some great scientific projects like the Human Brain Project (aka Blue Brain); Sam Parnia's AWARE Study; quantum computing; etc. Learn all about these technologies/ideas, study them in your own unique and get more involved. It's very satisfying. One great outlet is Facebook. There's so many great groups. It definitely works for me. :) If you're interested I could send you links, etc?

Also, looking at life and everything else holistically can help overcome problems.

Overall, I believe, the future is looking a lot rosier now, we're in for some big developments, so try to remain positive if you can. :)
 
Hello, and again a BIG Ty for all the inputs.I am doing sports almost every day, problem is that my life seems empty, this has something to do with my beliefs/inner problems. I am ready for sure to face them, thats why I though about DMT as a helpfull tool.Would like to also look at the life more holistically, but I just need the reasons to do so.And yes, for some nice links/groups I would be really thankfull:).

DST
 
Maybe your life isn´t as empty as you think.

Somebody once said to me: "Don´t just see the bad things in your life, try to see the good ones and focus on them. Focus on what´s good for you".

Most of the time, it worked
 
Yes, I know there are good things, Its just a problem of perspective and right now I dont really see them, thats why I thought about DMT, to face my problems, identify my negative thoughts , which are the roots for this problem.
DST
 
I think it will not make much difference in the long run. DMT might distract you from your troubles and give you new inspirations, but it's a paradoxical substance. Right when I feel like I'm getting somewhere with it, it becomes too much and I get lost in the overload of broad theories and visions. I feel like reality is more open-ended than ever now, which may help some find a new appreciation for life. But I'm looking for stability; it seems I denounce one of my beliefs each day, and now I'm feeling hollow. I know this is vague gibberish, but after trying DMT I feel the presence of a giant question mark looming over my thoughts all the time. In turn, I've become a paradox. I've long shed my ego, but now I'm faceless. Happiness isn't even in my cross-hairs anymore, I'm only focused on Truth. I think I'm currently dipping into depression myself, but I think it is necessary for me to experience.

When the Prince Siddhartha left his comfortable life of happiness in the palace, he walked into the forest to find a path to enlightenment. He gave up the life he was born into to join some monks in the woods, meditating and living humbly. He submitted himself to self-mortification through fasting and what seems to be a negative depression. When offered a cup of food from a passing stranger, he realizes that the true path to enlightenment isn't through self-mortification OR self-indulgence. Deciding to keep his mind and body healthy, he pursues the middle path, and eventually became Buddha, the enlightened one. It's hard to get the parable into context without a ton of background info, but I think you are doing fine no matter which state of awareness you are in. Love and happiness isn't something you feel, it's something you become, something you are. It's like an aura that you can generate around yourself and others. Only you can flip the switch, though.
 
No, I thought about this many times, I cannot flip the switch, I need my mind open up to new things, new beliefs, new ideas, new insight,if my beliefs about life, the world , MYSELF dont change, the switch is blocked. Thats why I want to try this. I NEED questionmarks, because the thruth that I accept now is the root of my depression.
DST
 
This is the thing that psychotherapy does, it makes you think and identify your problems, make you see them in a different light(questioning yourself) and thus change your feelings.Thats what I seek through aya.
 
5-htp said:
Maybe your life isn´t as empty as you think.

Somebody once said to me: "Don´t just see the bad things in your life, try to see the good ones and focus on them. Focus on what´s good for you".

Most of the time, it worked
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It is the very essence of depression to make the sufferer's own, private world appear gloomy and uninhabitable. Sure, there are degrees of suffering, and it's better to be healthy, rich and depressed than sick, poor, and depressed. However, imagery of birds chirping joyfully and blue summer skies is not likely to dissipate a depressed person's inner turmoil.

I see psychedelics as a double-edge sword. At first, it's certainly nice to become aware of these other dimensions, whatever your own interpretation of the hyperspace may be. However, there's a possibility here that the explorer will become less invested in the more conventional reality, even more so if you're already not satisfied with the said reality (as your eggs aren't all in one basket anymore).

Now it's probably safe to assume that most of those who go chasing rabbits are a bit off-center to begin with. However, if you just use the drug to facilitate your escapist tendencies, then that's where the benefits end, and it's not all that different if you're taking psychedelics, doing other drugs, or watching reality shows all day.

The importance of integrating the psychedelic experience has been often emphasized on this forum, and I think that's a topic you may want to explore if you are interested in the therapeutic potential of psychedelics. When discussing his journey towards personal growth, someone on yogaforums said that, once he passed a certain milestone, the bills were still there, but the longing was gone. I think that if your psychedelic experiences help you come back to your everyday life and be there, be present (instead of getting stuck in the loop, building theories about the ultimate truth etc), the journey was well worth it.
 
You have my sympathies, DSTiamat - depression can be horrendous.

You ask mainly about DMT, but you also mention "aya" a few times. Don't forget that you absolutely cannot take MAOIs (i.e. the Caapi/Rue part of ayahuasca) while you are still taking antidepressants. Modern life is full of ridiculously overcautious health warnings, but that isn't one of them! Serotonin Syndrome really does kill - which would cure your depression, but not in the way you envisaged.

I wish you well, and hope you find your way through it.
 
I'd like to add something. My life has neer been a bed of roses but for some strange reasons I'm happy. I haven't always been happy, but I am today and it may well be that my occasional use of psychedelics has contributed to that happiness although it has also brought me lots of pain in the past.

On the other hand, I actually keep an ongoing list of things that I'd like to do before I die; things I want to learn, places I'd like to see, etc. This always keeps me striving towards something so that my life never feels empty, and I know that as soon as I find myself a real job I'm gonna start saving up for some crazy-ass adventure. Perhaps this is something to think about?

Life is only what you make of it so do your best to enjoy it! 😁
 
Try a small dose of K. Supposedly, small doses of K can cure a week long depression in five minutes. I have yet to test it myself so I am speaking from an article that suggested this. Ultimately, as you know drugs / medicine are only a temporary solution and should be used sparingly.
 
mescaline-man said:
My back is pretty messed up from overdoing weight lifting and intense running and some times i would feel as if my back could snap in half at any given moment and would cause me to panic in certain situations.. San Pedro changed my perception of that fear/pain and showed me in perfectly fine and not to worry.
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Sometimes it's ok to worry.
 
"if you decide to take some make sure to not ingest foods with tyramine and follow the maoi diet."

There is no data to support the need to avoid tyramine with ayahuasca. There is no such thing as a "maoi diet" in the jungle. It is a myth made up by white people. You have to avoid SSRI's and stimulants etc..those are things mostly of our world. Tyramine though is not going to have this sort of interaction with harmine or harmaline that some people fear so much.
 
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