ComputerBoy
Rising Star
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Hi all,
We are psychonauts from the land of meditation and hypnosis. We intended to use iboga to help my wife to withdraw from her 10-year heroin addiction, because beside the almost no suffering detox, iboga can help addicts to review their life via lucid/waking dreams so that they can later integrate the lessons given by the trip into their life for a sustainable change/withdrawal (opposed to the very high rate of relapse, up to 90%, in traditional detox). I've tried ibogaine flood dose with severe vomiting, which is not very uncommon. But my wife's ibogaine flood dose resulted in an episode of delirium (acute confusional state) for 36 hours, which is "very rare", according to Ibogaine Alliance's guidelines for interventions > Acute Confusional State (ACS), and I've not read any trip report metioning that.
Here in Vietnam, there's no professional about iboga. But with the frustration of an addict voluntarily went to detox center many times with as many times relapsed like my wife, we decided to do research on the Internet and then trip sit each other. I always try first for better experience to trip sit my wife.
I've tried ibogaine 2 times: 1st in a test dose of 200mg total alkaloid (TA) extract with a very mild dreamy trip, and 2nd in a flood dose of 1000mg TA + 500mg ibogaine HCl with severe vomiting which expelled most of the ibogaine that I ingested and left me in an exhausted and messy dreamy state for about 5 hours. I know that vomiting is common side effect of iboga, but the curse is that it wasted most of my hundred dollar ibogaine and left me in a messy trip with no meaning. So then I prepared very well about antiemetics for my wife to make sure she won't vomit in her flood dose (she felt nausea in her test dose of 400mg TA.) She actually did not vomit, but after the flood dose, she encountered the following strange phenomenons that I've never known before, even though I've searched and read a lot about iboga:
[*] 48 hours of ataxia opposed to the normal 4 hours. Just 1 hour after the first administration of 400 mg TA (& 30 mins after 2nd administration of 600 mg TA), she couldn't take any more capsules nor water.
[*] Nonlucid dreams opposed to the normal lucid dreams while tripping. She could not remember a single thing in her dreams, and to her, the 48 hours trip was just a blank sleep.
[*] Delirium with short-term memory loss after recovery from ataxia, opposed to the "integrative phase" (last phase) of the iboga experience: After 48 hours (full 2 days) of ataxia, she stay in bed for 12 hours more. Then in the next 12 hours, she wanted to go around for recovering, except some drowsy expression, I had not seen any strange sign. It was full 3 days (72 hours) after the flood dose administraion, seeing she's recovering, without any warning about delirium (I'd researched a lot before without seeing any one reported delirum related to iboga), after hearing she asked "I want to sit here resting, please buy me some drink!", seeing her sitting on a bench behind the barrier (there are safety barriers all along the river banks and on the bridge), I told her "just sit here enjoying these foods, don't go anywhere, I'm going buy you some drink and will be back soon." and went to the other side of the street to buy soft drink... but it took longer than I expected. 5 mins later I got back seeing her walking onto the bridge with an suicide attempt. She didn't remember what I told, felt that I'd left her for a very long time so that I seemed to abandon her. After the incident, she showed clear delirum with alternative episodes of drowsy and irritated states.
I's definitely wrong leaving her alone, so I won't let it happen again.
Here's the "trip report" of my wife's iboga flood dose from the trip sitter's (my) view:
She prepared with 24 hours fasting, 8 hours no heroin (until these symptoms of withdrawal: watering eyes, running nose, shivering), and then 200mg dimenhydrinate + 50mg metoclopramide as antiemetics (anti-nausea). I dosed her 2000mg TA = 400mg TA orally + (30 mins later) 600mg TA orally + (1 hour later) 1000mg TA mixed with dragon fruit (I forgot to prepare yogurt) vaginally (because she couldn't take any capsule nor water by mouth, and refuse to be administrated via anus.) Then, throughout the 48 hours period of lying in bed she was nonlucid and could not remember a single thing in her dreams. In her nonlucid dreams, I see it's like "sleepwalking" more than mere dreaming: her mouth and hands act out all the time, and some times even voice was released. After 48 hours, she was out of ataxia, could sit up, talk, and handle cups & bottles; and finally after 60 hours (12 hours later) she could stand up and walk. But she's still in delirium with short-term memory loss for the next 36 hours, continuously switching between drowsy and irritated states. Only after totally full 4 days (96 hours = 60 + 36) she returned to her normal state. However, because she couldn't recall anything in her dreams induced by iboga, I couldn't help her to resolve any problem in her mind, nor to integrate any experience that iboga brought to her. Therefore, just a week after the iboga flood dose, she returned to the full dose of heroin just like before
.
Weeks later, when I asked her to try to remember some things in the iboga induced dreams, she can recall few (1-2) brief dreams, just few but still better than in the first week after the flood dose when she couldn't recall anything. About the 36 hours of delirium, she recalled that she'd felt a great discomfort from the inside, that is similar to the "insects crawling in bone" feeling at the end of detox process in detox centers before, though with much lesser degree. Because of that bad feeling, she had been very craving for heroin right after ataxia (just when she could talk again). So; after 36 hours of delirium, I brought her back home and she immediately restarted her first dose of heroin about 1/5 of the full dose before ibogaine treatment.
And here's a brief record of the flood dose to my wife:
Aug 17th, 23:00, last meal
Aug 18th, 16:00, last heroin dose
Aug 19th, 0:30, 400mg TA + 100mg dimenhydrinate + 30mg metoclopramide
Aug 19th, 1:00, 600mg TA + 100mg dimenhydrinate + 20mg metoclopramide
Aug 19th, 1:30, she begin to feel ataxic
Aug 19th, 2:15, 1000mg TA mixed with dragon fruit (I forgot to prepare yogurt) inserted into her vagina (because she couldn't take any capsule nor water by mouth, and refuse to be administrated via anus.) This dose should be 500mg HCl as planned but I'd forgotten to bring the ibogaine HCl.
Aug 19th, 12:00, I held her to the toilet for urination while she was very ataxic.
Aug 19th, 22:00, she urinated in the bed while dreaming, without notifying me.
Aug 20th, 1:45, 200mg TA inserted to rectum because I see some syndromes like withdrawal: yawning, shivering, goose bumping, sweating
Aug 20th, 6:30, she urinated in the bed while dreaming, without notifying me.
Aug 21st, 1:30, she's out of ataxia, could talk to me and handle cups.
Aug 21st, 13:00, she sat up and can walk weakly.
Aug 22nd - 23rd, delirium with short-term memory loss
Only recently, after her drug-using relationships were broken almost entirely (due to some arrests and some financial breakdown), I can have time to write write this post, and can get her back to hypnosis for reviewing the causes & effects of drug using. In a hypnosis session last week, I could let her view the whole course of her drug using and address her to the root cause of those suffering, and she cried a lot. Right after that, she could feel the pain in her arms where there're many injection scars (previously she couldn't feel any pain there), and she was so afraid of the substance that she couldn't let her eyes see that white substance
. I instructed her not to look away but to face the fear and turn it into the action of reducing drug consumption, preparing for the next flood dose of ibogaine. 
With my experience of meditation and hypnosis, I see clearly the benefit of "life review", not only in drug withdrawal but also in all other life changing events. That's why I've been very expecting good results from ibogaine flood dosing, for its "lucid dreaming" feature. But until now, neither me nor my wife has experienced that lucid dreaming.
Anyone with experience with iboga, please give us some advice!
P.S.
We're obviously lacking knowledge and experience, but no way can we lack responsibility. These are our own lives, we're risking not because anyone wants to "do experiment" nor "play around", but because we're so desperate.
If you're rich (of knowledge, expertise), please share your wealth if you can. Please don't assign your subjective opinions to our intention or attitude just because we made mistakes. Our hearts have been suffered enough, anyway!
We are psychonauts from the land of meditation and hypnosis. We intended to use iboga to help my wife to withdraw from her 10-year heroin addiction, because beside the almost no suffering detox, iboga can help addicts to review their life via lucid/waking dreams so that they can later integrate the lessons given by the trip into their life for a sustainable change/withdrawal (opposed to the very high rate of relapse, up to 90%, in traditional detox). I've tried ibogaine flood dose with severe vomiting, which is not very uncommon. But my wife's ibogaine flood dose resulted in an episode of delirium (acute confusional state) for 36 hours, which is "very rare", according to Ibogaine Alliance's guidelines for interventions > Acute Confusional State (ACS), and I've not read any trip report metioning that.
Here in Vietnam, there's no professional about iboga. But with the frustration of an addict voluntarily went to detox center many times with as many times relapsed like my wife, we decided to do research on the Internet and then trip sit each other. I always try first for better experience to trip sit my wife.
I've tried ibogaine 2 times: 1st in a test dose of 200mg total alkaloid (TA) extract with a very mild dreamy trip, and 2nd in a flood dose of 1000mg TA + 500mg ibogaine HCl with severe vomiting which expelled most of the ibogaine that I ingested and left me in an exhausted and messy dreamy state for about 5 hours. I know that vomiting is common side effect of iboga, but the curse is that it wasted most of my hundred dollar ibogaine and left me in a messy trip with no meaning. So then I prepared very well about antiemetics for my wife to make sure she won't vomit in her flood dose (she felt nausea in her test dose of 400mg TA.) She actually did not vomit, but after the flood dose, she encountered the following strange phenomenons that I've never known before, even though I've searched and read a lot about iboga:
[*] 48 hours of ataxia opposed to the normal 4 hours. Just 1 hour after the first administration of 400 mg TA (& 30 mins after 2nd administration of 600 mg TA), she couldn't take any more capsules nor water.
[*] Nonlucid dreams opposed to the normal lucid dreams while tripping. She could not remember a single thing in her dreams, and to her, the 48 hours trip was just a blank sleep.
[*] Delirium with short-term memory loss after recovery from ataxia, opposed to the "integrative phase" (last phase) of the iboga experience: After 48 hours (full 2 days) of ataxia, she stay in bed for 12 hours more. Then in the next 12 hours, she wanted to go around for recovering, except some drowsy expression, I had not seen any strange sign. It was full 3 days (72 hours) after the flood dose administraion, seeing she's recovering, without any warning about delirium (I'd researched a lot before without seeing any one reported delirum related to iboga), after hearing she asked "I want to sit here resting, please buy me some drink!", seeing her sitting on a bench behind the barrier (there are safety barriers all along the river banks and on the bridge), I told her "just sit here enjoying these foods, don't go anywhere, I'm going buy you some drink and will be back soon." and went to the other side of the street to buy soft drink... but it took longer than I expected. 5 mins later I got back seeing her walking onto the bridge with an suicide attempt. She didn't remember what I told, felt that I'd left her for a very long time so that I seemed to abandon her. After the incident, she showed clear delirum with alternative episodes of drowsy and irritated states.
I's definitely wrong leaving her alone, so I won't let it happen again.
Here's the "trip report" of my wife's iboga flood dose from the trip sitter's (my) view:
She prepared with 24 hours fasting, 8 hours no heroin (until these symptoms of withdrawal: watering eyes, running nose, shivering), and then 200mg dimenhydrinate + 50mg metoclopramide as antiemetics (anti-nausea). I dosed her 2000mg TA = 400mg TA orally + (30 mins later) 600mg TA orally + (1 hour later) 1000mg TA mixed with dragon fruit (I forgot to prepare yogurt) vaginally (because she couldn't take any capsule nor water by mouth, and refuse to be administrated via anus.) Then, throughout the 48 hours period of lying in bed she was nonlucid and could not remember a single thing in her dreams. In her nonlucid dreams, I see it's like "sleepwalking" more than mere dreaming: her mouth and hands act out all the time, and some times even voice was released. After 48 hours, she was out of ataxia, could sit up, talk, and handle cups & bottles; and finally after 60 hours (12 hours later) she could stand up and walk. But she's still in delirium with short-term memory loss for the next 36 hours, continuously switching between drowsy and irritated states. Only after totally full 4 days (96 hours = 60 + 36) she returned to her normal state. However, because she couldn't recall anything in her dreams induced by iboga, I couldn't help her to resolve any problem in her mind, nor to integrate any experience that iboga brought to her. Therefore, just a week after the iboga flood dose, she returned to the full dose of heroin just like before
. Weeks later, when I asked her to try to remember some things in the iboga induced dreams, she can recall few (1-2) brief dreams, just few but still better than in the first week after the flood dose when she couldn't recall anything. About the 36 hours of delirium, she recalled that she'd felt a great discomfort from the inside, that is similar to the "insects crawling in bone" feeling at the end of detox process in detox centers before, though with much lesser degree. Because of that bad feeling, she had been very craving for heroin right after ataxia (just when she could talk again). So; after 36 hours of delirium, I brought her back home and she immediately restarted her first dose of heroin about 1/5 of the full dose before ibogaine treatment.
And here's a brief record of the flood dose to my wife:
Aug 17th, 23:00, last meal
Aug 18th, 16:00, last heroin dose
Aug 19th, 0:30, 400mg TA + 100mg dimenhydrinate + 30mg metoclopramide
Aug 19th, 1:00, 600mg TA + 100mg dimenhydrinate + 20mg metoclopramide
Aug 19th, 1:30, she begin to feel ataxic
Aug 19th, 2:15, 1000mg TA mixed with dragon fruit (I forgot to prepare yogurt) inserted into her vagina (because she couldn't take any capsule nor water by mouth, and refuse to be administrated via anus.) This dose should be 500mg HCl as planned but I'd forgotten to bring the ibogaine HCl.
Aug 19th, 12:00, I held her to the toilet for urination while she was very ataxic.
Aug 19th, 22:00, she urinated in the bed while dreaming, without notifying me.
Aug 20th, 1:45, 200mg TA inserted to rectum because I see some syndromes like withdrawal: yawning, shivering, goose bumping, sweating
Aug 20th, 6:30, she urinated in the bed while dreaming, without notifying me.
Aug 21st, 1:30, she's out of ataxia, could talk to me and handle cups.
Aug 21st, 13:00, she sat up and can walk weakly.
Aug 22nd - 23rd, delirium with short-term memory loss
Only recently, after her drug-using relationships were broken almost entirely (due to some arrests and some financial breakdown), I can have time to write write this post, and can get her back to hypnosis for reviewing the causes & effects of drug using. In a hypnosis session last week, I could let her view the whole course of her drug using and address her to the root cause of those suffering, and she cried a lot. Right after that, she could feel the pain in her arms where there're many injection scars (previously she couldn't feel any pain there), and she was so afraid of the substance that she couldn't let her eyes see that white substance
. I instructed her not to look away but to face the fear and turn it into the action of reducing drug consumption, preparing for the next flood dose of ibogaine. With my experience of meditation and hypnosis, I see clearly the benefit of "life review", not only in drug withdrawal but also in all other life changing events. That's why I've been very expecting good results from ibogaine flood dosing, for its "lucid dreaming" feature. But until now, neither me nor my wife has experienced that lucid dreaming.
Anyone with experience with iboga, please give us some advice!
P.S.
We're obviously lacking knowledge and experience, but no way can we lack responsibility. These are our own lives, we're risking not because anyone wants to "do experiment" nor "play around", but because we're so desperate.
If you're rich (of knowledge, expertise), please share your wealth if you can. Please don't assign your subjective opinions to our intention or attitude just because we made mistakes. Our hearts have been suffered enough, anyway!
