Did we just get officially f#cked over?(In america)

[PrimateSphinx]

Ok so I just read an article that said senate voted on a bill that suspends Habeus Corpus and now US citizens can be jailed without trial. This is really freaking me out. The article is short but has links to the bill (all 900 pages) that was amended and all the details pertaining to it. Has anyone read any other articles about this or heard about it? I would like to see another article to clarify and make sure this is the real deal, but it seems pretty legitimate. Here the link: http://wearechangetv.us/2011/11/61-...te-suspension-of-habeus-corpus/#axzz1fJhGXnnF. Anyway I really hope someone can find something out there that proves this wrong but I really doubt it (unfortunately). Let me know what you think...this makes me want to get out of the US soon...

 

[tele]

Land of the free... My ass...

I said it again:x

 

[probe]

WOW! thats.... wow! im speechless!

 

[vladamirr]

I heard the same thing and I believe I've heard Ron Paul talking about it..
There is a video out, but it might be a conspiracy video tho.
I think they did it for "terrorism.?" so they could arrest someone without having a public reasoning.

 

[easyrider]

Thought habeas corpus had been neglected for years. Now they're just making it official on paper, I guess.

 

[actualfactual]

No, we did not just get officially fucked over. In the US for a bill to become a law it must be passed in both houses of congress and signed by the president. This was passed only in the senate.

 

[dreamer042]

I made a post about this the other day here:

The National Defense Authorization Act - Welcome discussion - Welcome to the DMT-Nexus

Basically this bill turns the US military on the American people. It eliminates the judicial process and allows the military to disappear anyone they like around the world (including US citizens on US soil) to detention camps without any kind of trial or exercising of those pesky constitutional rights.

There is talk of the White House vetoing this bill if (when) it passes through the senate, I guess we'll see.

My magic 8-ball says "outlook not so good" on this one

 

[The Chr0nn01553ur]

No, we did not just get officially fucked over. In the US for a bill to become a law it must be passed in both houses of congress and signed by the president. This was passed only in the senate.

Still pretty f-ed up.

 

[PrimateSphinx]

Thought habeas corpus had been neglected for years. Now they're just making it official on paper, I guess.

Yeah Habeus Corpus has been neglected along with all of our other "rights" if there is such a thing anymore but I'm pretty sure American citizens still had right to a "fair" trial before this bill was passed. I know it was suspended for all non-US citizens during the Bush administration so that they could put "terrorists" in jail without having to really look at evidence which was part of the whole Guantanamo controversy. This bill however I am pretty sure is specifically directed at US citizens so just in case we are dealing with terrorists or bad characters they can lock us up and not have to worry about it, like they do with everything and everyone else. I'm not sure of the full details of it so if some of this is incorrect feel free to call me out. I know there is a lot of BS out there and I would rather not contribute to it. Either way it feels like the US Gov't is caring less and less about upholding the image that it is a "Free Nation" and is more concerned with upholding whatever power it can hold onto. It might be time soon to kick in the township rebellion.

 

[The Chr0nn01553ur]

Thought habeas corpus had been neglected for years. Now they're just making it official on paper, I guess.

Yeah Habeus Corpus has been neglected along with all of our other "rights" if there is such a thing anymore but I'm pretty sure American citizens still had right to a "fair" trial before this bill was passed. I know it was suspended for all non-US citizens during the Bush administration so that they could put "terrorists" in jail without having to really look at evidence which was part of the whole Guantanamo controversy. This bill however I am pretty sure is specifically directed at US citizens so just in case we are dealing with terrorists or bad characters they can lock us up and not have to worry about it, like they do with everything and everyone else. I'm not sure of the full details of it so if some of this is incorrect feel free to call me out. I know there is a lot of BS out there and I would rather not contribute to it. Either way it feels like the US Gov't is caring less and less about upholding the image that it is a "Free Nation" and is more concerned with upholding whatever power it can hold onto. It might be time soon to kick in the township rebellion.

I like the way you talk.

 

[PrimateSphinx]

No, we did not just get officially fucked over. In the US for a bill to become a law it must be passed in both houses of congress and signed by the president. This was passed only in the senate.

this is true but do you really have faith in in congress, the house, and the president to uphold your rights? hate to be a cynic but they don't have the greatest track record of doing this. And gracias The Chr0nn01553ur, like your avatar btw

 

[kmartin80]

here is a petition to impeach all senators that voted this through

Sign Petition: Impeach Senators for Treason

Impeach All Senators for Voted for the McCain/Levin Bill they committed Treason directly against the Constitution! (28533 signatures on petition)

www.thepetitionsite.com

 

[PrimateSphinx]

I just read the article you posted dreamer042. This is some serious 1984 shit.. I mean I knew that the bill would suspend habeus corpus but I didn't know about declaring the US a battlefield and having the military put troublemakers in detention camps. I really would rather not go up against the US military under any circumstances. I'm definitely signing that petition. I really hope people get really angry about this because I would rather not see complacency win this one. if this bill becomes law then Yukon Ho my friends. Definitely gonna have Rage Against The Machine on my Ipod at the ready when shit goes south

 

[actualfactual]

No, we did not just get officially fucked over. In the US for a bill to become a law it must be passed in both houses of congress and signed by the president. This was passed only in the senate.

this is true but do you really have faith in in congress, the house, and the president to uphold your rights? hate to be a cynic but they don't have the greatest track record of doing this. And gracias The Chr0nn01553ur, like your avatar btw

The white house already said obama would veto the bill if it ever came to his desk. I don't think he is lying.

 

[PrimateSphinx]

The white house already said obama would veto the bill if it ever came to his desk. I don't think he is lying.

that is good news, I hope it ends up that way

 

[The Chr0nn01553ur]

No, we did not just get officially fucked over. In the US for a bill to become a law it must be passed in both houses of congress and signed by the president. This was passed only in the senate.

this is true but do you really have faith in in congress, the house, and the president to uphold your rights? hate to be a cynic but they don't have the greatest track record of doing this. And gracias The Chr0nn01553ur, like your avatar btw

The white house already said obama would veto the bill if it ever came to his desk. I don't think he is lying.

Still though, pretty f-ed up that it's even being proposed. Like, W-T-F?

 

[smokerx]

The white house already said obama would veto the bill if it ever came to his desk. I don't think he is lying.

HA HA HA are you serious ? Obama is one big f. liar do not believe anything that come out of his mouth

 

[actualfactual]

Still though, pretty f-ed up that it's even being proposed. Like, W-T-F?

Yes, the state of the government is terrible. I stopped being shocked about the neoconservative agenda sometime back when the "Patriot" act was passed though. Luckily our government is based on a system of checks and balances which tends to keep the super crazy stuff from becoming law (for the most part)

HA HA HA are you serious ? Obama is one big f. liar do not believe anything that come out of his mouth

Thank you for you logical and well thought out argument. You know the person who proposed this bill was John Mccain right? The same guy who would be president if Obama wasn't? Food for thought.

 

[PrimateSphinx]

HA HA HA are you serious ? Obama is one big f. liar do not believe anything that come out of his mouth

Seriously. Isn't being a liar the job description for being President? But that's what happens you have to spend 1.5 billion dollars of corporate interest dollars to even campaign for president, let alone all the scumf*cks you have to please while your in the position. I honestly feel bad for the guy, he has the worst job in america and he got it by compromising his principles that it appeared that he believed in. It looks like hes up shit creek without a paddle. If he vetoes this bill he will have my respect. You are definitely right about Obama being better than McCain actualfactual, but the system and the presidential position is in dire need of a re-visioning

 

[vovin]

OWS ruffled feathers they are going to make sure it doesnt happen again. Could took down the whole system still very well might. These people have no intention of giving up power. NYPD has been caught farming occupiers identities a dozen times invisible ink has been found on those arrested and obama is having 20,000 troops trained right now specifically for civil disobedience. Wake up this is it folks revolution is at your door whether you like it or not. To suppress the few they will have to suppress everyone. This is one war where you cannot remain neutral.

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