Diplopterys cabrerara combined with tobacco = ?!!???!??!?!!!!!

[THanoC]

I just smoked a small cigarette with 50/50 D.Cabrerara and rolling tobacco,i did not expect this at all,it was extremely calming,for 1-2 minutes i felt stoned but in a more energetic way,my whole body and mind was so calm,i just wanted to lay my head somewhere,and then i inhaled i think the 6th puff and an immediate purging took place,i indeed had to run on my backyard for this purging,i vomited a lot,and after the vomiting there was a feeling of clearance and calmness which i have until this moment that i am writing this.
Has anyone tried combining tobacco with D. Cabrerara?,was it just a one thing experience for me that was just on the timing or is there some kind of weird synergy between these two plants?

 

[Guda]

I just rolled an giant joint of 80% 6 years old cabrerana leaves 20% dark tobacco, so i'm testing your theory in real time!

I saw people reporting here feeling respiration turning thin after smoking cabrerana, maybe the source being the traces ammount of bufotenin content in the leaves, which is the same neurotransmitter from the Bufo toad poison, and i read somewhere about bufotenin having an vasoconstriction effect.

So when i tried smoke cabrerana 6 years ago, i'm would feel a little better afterwards, kinda floaty and calm too, but i assumed at the time maybe the slight lightheadedness comes from the vasoconstriction effect of the bufotenin. but don't take my words as affirmation, are only suppositions.

Is confirmed that cabrerana has a higher ammount of N,N-DMT, and exists an controversy about if it has any trace content of 5-MeO-DMT (O-methyl-bufotenin) but plant analysis performed by chemists from this forum found no ammount of 5-MeO-DMT in the plant.

And in the other hand 5-MeO-DMT and bufotenin are notorious for having more routes of administering and being a little easier to activate than N,N-DMT, like sublingual for example.

 

[jamie]

Nothing special here from what I can remember aside from a mixture of DMT and nicotine, with perhaps some minor effects contributed to trace harmalas?

I have some years ago extracted crystals from Diploterys. Before this I had drunk it a few times in lower doses with differing doses of vine/different vine from different vendors etc. I put it in with mimosa extracted DMT as well. Combined with the internet lore around chalipona being darker than chacruna and containing 5-MeO-DMT, having this weird name "Oco Yage" etc all had me convinced I was experiencing this dark side of the plant that was due to 5-MeO-DMT.

After experimentation however with the synthetic compound, I no longer feel 5-MeO-DMT contributes to the effects of the plant. I have slowly combined very low level MeO with DMT, both as crystal, and the experience is not like vaporized chaliponga crystal.

The only plant extracts I have experienced that felt true to a DMT/5-MeO combo were made from 2 different phalaris species. This includes yopo/vilca, as neither has produced anything but effects consistent with bufotenine, IME.

The effect of chaliponga is also not consistent IME with DMT + low level bufotenine, which I tried a lot some years ago. Pretty different actually.

My own experience with chaliponga extracted "DMT"... is that it is pretty much a DMT trip.