Fasting and the carnivore diet

[rkba]

Karjala!

 

[northape]

Thread derailment accomplished. Have you read the Finnish collection of mythology and folklore known as, The Kalevala? Its (possibly abridged) Russian translation was a favorite of mine as a little kid - I’d like to revisit it sometime.

I remember the woods around my family’s dacha (summer home) were surrounded by barbed wire left over from the war between Russia and Finland. There weren’t many animals around, as the wildlife populations had been wiped out from over-hunting due to food shortages.

I did see a wild hedgehog one time, though. That hedgehog is long gone, but continues to give me hope for a brighter future.

I feel we're still talking around the main theme, though. Nothing is simple in a human world, and it's good to approach any given topic from different angles.

I don't remember reading the Kalevala, and I need to check it out to know for sure. Many of my childhood books originated in Europe. My favorite book was The Chronicles of Narnia, and I got my foundation laid from its basic tenets. It's basically a Bible for the young. I think that I had a pretty broad exposure to world literature growing up in the 90s. The internet made most of the youth short-sighted, contrary to its promises.

IKEA sourced its wood from Karelia for a long time. Only now, given the current geopolitical situation, it's easy to see how global we were just a few years back. I've posted in another thread about Chernobyl and how nature restored itself in less than 40 years after the disaster. There is hope, and life always prevails. What we need to work on is human attitude and understanding. Strangely enough, I have much more hope for the future nowadays. Most likely I won't be able to see a bigger change in my lifetime, but it's on the horizon.

 

[ommani]

I feel we're still talking around the main theme, though. Nothing is simple in a human world, and it's good to approach any given topic from different angles.

I don't remember reading the Kalevala, and I need to check it out to know for sure. Many of my childhood books originated in Europe. My favorite book was The Chronicles of Narnia, and I got my foundation laid from its basic tenets. It's basically a Bible for the young. I think that I had a pretty broad exposure to world literature growing up in the 90s. The internet made most of the youth short-sighted, contrary to its promises.

IKEA sourced its wood from Karelia for a long time. Only now, given the current geopolitical situation, it's easy to see how global we were just a few years back. I've posted in another thread about Chernobyl and how nature restored itself in less than 40 years after the disaster. There is hope, and life always prevails. What we need to work on is human attitude and understanding. Strangely enough, I have much more hope for the future nowadays. Most likely I won't be able to see a bigger change in my lifetime, but it's on the horizon.

Well, thanks for normalizing our exchange in the context of this thread. I have a tendency to get interested in tangential sub-topics, which can steer threads far outside of their original realm of focus.

I also loved reading The Chronicles of Narnia in the (early) 90’s. They were some of the first books that I read, in English or otherwise, and I loved them so much that I read one after another. While I’m not sure if I picked up on the deeper meaning of those books, I think that I was probably impacted by their general message in a positive way, which I think is good enough.

A year or two after reading the Narnia series, I read The Neverending Story, and loved it even more. By that point, I was able to discern that some deeper themes were being conveyed, but not the maturity to fully understand them.

Recently, I listened to an episode of the Popcorn Psychology podcast (in which the hosts, who are mental health professionals, psychoanalyze different movies), which was all about the movie version of The Neverending Story. According to their analysis, which rang true to me, the nothing symbolizes the sorrow/depression that can overtake us, while Falcor the Luck Dragon symbolizes the openness and vitality of life-force energy that can help us stay upright and buoyant, while keeping the faith, and riding the winds of life.

 

[EmeraldAtomiser]

Sorry to derail your derailment, but I thought I'd give a little update.
I am sick of eating fat and meat! I have taken away the pleasure of the one thing I still had no guilt around, eating, I am now below 70kg at 5'9" and am not seeing any benefits. I've not had any bad cravings, or 'keto flu' or anything like that and checked my level yesterday which was 2.1mmol/l.
I'm going to carry on until Christmas day, and then it's back to normal eating with a massive Christmas dinner!
An interesting experiment, and clearly for weight loss it is the way to go, but slathering my palate with fat constantly I'm finding pretty unpleasant, and while I am still enjoying a nice bit of steak, even that pleasure is diminishing.
I suppose I can see, for those who need to be active and functional for long periods where eating isn't possible, burning fat and not having the energy dips could be useful, but back in the real world, this just isn't an issue, where you can find sustinance almost anywhere.
I was vege for long periods when I was in India practicing Ashtanga, and I both felt amazing and my bowel function was absolutely perfect. Some of my stools deserved to be mounted on the mantle piece, they were so impressive!

 

[EmeraldAtomiser]

OK, my morning coffee has reminded me that there is one benefit. Normally I'm a black coffee man, with a bit of honey, but I am loving coffee with loads of double cream!

 

[northape]

Sorry to derail your derailment, but I thought I'd give a little update.
I am sick of eating fat and meat! I have taken away the pleasure of the one thing I still had no guilt around, eating, I am now below 70kg at 5'9" and am not seeing any benefits. I've not had any bad cravings, or 'keto flu' or anything like that and checked my level yesterday which was 2.1mmol/l.
I'm going to carry on until Christmas day, and then it's back to normal eating with a massive Christmas dinner!
An interesting experiment, and clearly for weight loss it is the way to go, but slathering my palate with fat constantly I'm finding pretty unpleasant, and while I am still enjoying a nice bit of steak, even that pleasure is diminishing.
I suppose I can see, for those who need to be active and functional for long periods where eating isn't possible, burning fat and not having the energy dips could be useful, but back in the real world, this just isn't an issue, where you can find sustinance almost anywhere.
I was vege for long periods when I was in India practicing Ashtanga, and I both felt amazing and my bowel function was absolutely perfect. Some of my stools deserved to be mounted on the mantle piece, they were so impressive!

That is how it went for me too. I love food, period. Additionally, it is cheaper to maintain a varied diet. I focus on quality nowadays, eating less but choosing produce that I know is organic and healthy. Water fasting for a few days or practicing intermittent fasting could mitigate any potential risks associated with the diet.

Recently, I listened to an episode of the Popcorn Psychology podcast (in which the hosts, who are mental health professionals, psychoanalyze different movies), which was all about the movie version of The Neverending Story. According to their analysis, which rang true to me, the nothing symbolizes the sorrow/depression that can overtake us, while Falcor the Luck Dragon symbolizes the openness and vitality of life-force energy that can help us stay upright and buoyant, while keeping the faith, and riding the winds of life.

I love The Neverending Story, but I've never read the book. I always get a feeling of hope and lightness from the movie.

 

[PedroSanchez]

@EmeraldAtomiser

I eat a lot of wild lean meat and late season Black Bear provides a lot of really nice fat, especially if they have been hitting the Berry bushes b4 Denning up. The berry's flavor the fat of the besr to an extent

In the years I fail to fold a black bear tag, I'll hit up the hutterites to get some pork fat to cut into my sausage and ground meat. The hitterites have free ranged animals thst are not grain fed and pumped full of hormones.
 

my updates said i was quoted in this post, but i am not my guess is you edited your post.
after reading OP i think it might have had something to do with my comment in another thread about my grain free diet? i'm locked in now so here i am, i will get involved


i also avoid eating meat that has been fed grains and hormones, antibiotics, etc (bovaer being the latest attempt to destroy our blood lines). i eat grass finished beef only, not to be confused with grass fed, which can mean they have eaten grains their whole life until the last small window, then fed grass for long enough to legally get away with writing grass fed on the packet.

i eat a good amount of fruit and veg too, i don't focus on meats. i'm not sure you can even get your full nutritional needs from only meat. i actually think i might be eating too much meat as i have it multiple times a day and i think i should only have it every few days, but i am thinking about that right now. my diet is always changing. maybe i will become a vegetarian or a pescetarian at some point, who knows. probably not, i will probably just cut down my meats.

i eat organic fruit, veg, etc, and i try to source what i can from local farms where i can visit to check them out. the organic stamp is not enough for me. you can legally use plastic mulch and still get an organic stamp. fortunately there are still farmers who take pride in their work, you just have to find them.
of course i grow what i can but i can't grow enough for the whole year on my small plot of land. i plan to guerilla grow a lot of food in the coming years. oh! and i forage a lot too. the healthiest foods are everywhere in nature.

i avoid all the obvious things such as nitrates, questionable chemicals and additives, etc. i eat very little sugar but i am working towards stopping eating sugar completely, apart from what is naturally in fruit and veg, of course.
as said above, i do not eat grains (which is possibly the cause of inflammation OP is experiencing). i used to get rheumatism since i was a small child, i was told it would be with me forever and that i might need to be in a wheel chair when i get old. i used to get severe pains in my joints every few weeks. after a while of quitting grains it completely went away, i have not had a joint pain since. i can now sit cross legged too, which i have not been able to do since i was a small child.

i fast once a year too, for 3 days, but have been thinking about doing it maybe 2-4 times a year or more. apparently our bodies benefit a lot from it. for me the main noticeable benefits are psychological though.

emeraldatomiser, in regards to your comment about the lack of variety, i had that problem when i quit grains, but after learning recipes from the internet and getting creative i slowly rebuilt my list of recipes and now i have so many options, the thoughts of lack of variety are long gone. that said, i have many more options than you, but i would say get online and look for ideas.
also make sure you are getting all your nutrients. i'm not sure how you can with only meat. maybe you can though? i don't know. if you need to take supplements then you probably need to adjust your diet.

good luck with your diet. i hope it works out for you!

 

[PedroSanchez]

Sorry to derail your derailment, but I thought I'd give a little update.
I am sick of eating fat and meat! I have taken away the pleasure of the one thing I still had no guilt around, eating, I am now below 70kg at 5'9" and am not seeing any benefits. I've not had any bad cravings, or 'keto flu' or anything like that and checked my level yesterday which was 2.1mmol/l.
I'm going to carry on until Christmas day, and then it's back to normal eating with a massive Christmas dinner!
An interesting experiment, and clearly for weight loss it is the way to go, but slathering my palate with fat constantly I'm finding pretty unpleasant, and while I am still enjoying a nice bit of steak, even that pleasure is diminishing.
I suppose I can see, for those who need to be active and functional for long periods where eating isn't possible, burning fat and not having the energy dips could be useful, but back in the real world, this just isn't an issue, where you can find sustinance almost anywhere.
I was vege for long periods when I was in India practicing Ashtanga, and I both felt amazing and my bowel function was absolutely perfect. Some of my stools deserved to be mounted on the mantle piece, they were so impressive!

ah i see you are abandoning the meat diet. you can ignore some of my previous post then think about quitting grains, you might find some benefit from that, particularly the inflammation issues. there is a lot of pleasure to be had on a grain free diet, with lots of options.

 

[PedroSanchez]

The main narrative everywhere is to move away from sustainable living in favor of big factory farms. My uncle lives in Belarus and had close to 200 bee colonies at one point. The government rented nearby fields to a company from Iran, and they sprayed the hell out of them with a potent pesticide. More than 100 of his bee colonies died, and when he tried to make his case, he was threatened by the authorities instead. I do not know where this whole show is leading, but it does not feel right or just in any way. Doing what you can with what you have (or are allowed to have) would be my approach. Life is too short to dwell on the modern social situation.

you are right, the idea is to get most people on to these unhealthy, chemical diets. bug burgers are just around the corner too! something tells me the people that are pushing the matter will not be taking part in that lifestyle, they will still have a range of clean fruit, veg and meats.
it's difficult to discuss this topic without being accused of conspiracy talk, so i will stop there, but it is disgusting what happened to your uncle personally i am on the other side of the fence, i do not think life is too short to fight these people.

 

[ommani]

Sorry to derail your derailment, but I thought I'd give a little update.
I am sick of eating fat and meat! I have taken away the pleasure of the one thing I still had no guilt around, eating, I am now below 70kg at 5'9" and am not seeing any benefits. I've not had any bad cravings, or 'keto flu' or anything like that and checked my level yesterday which was 2.1mmol/l.
I'm going to carry on until Christmas day, and then it's back to normal eating with a massive Christmas dinner!
An interesting experiment, and clearly for weight loss it is the way to go, but slathering my palate with fat constantly I'm finding pretty unpleasant, and while I am still enjoying a nice bit of steak, even that pleasure is diminishing.
I suppose I can see, for those who need to be active and functional for long periods where eating isn't possible, burning fat and not having the energy dips could be useful, but back in the real world, this just isn't an issue, where you can find sustinance almost anywhere.
I was vege for long periods when I was in India practicing Ashtanga, and I both felt amazing and my bowel function was absolutely perfect. Some of my stools deserved to be mounted on the mantle piece, they were so impressive!

Very courteous of you to apologize for derailing the derailment of your own thread. Sounds like a natural pendulation back to center. Nuff respect for your high-grade poops of yesteryear, and may they return to their former glory!

 

[EmeraldAtomiser]

Very courteous of you to apologize for derailing the derailment of your own thread. Sounds like a natural pendulation back to center. Nuff respect for your high-grade poops of yesteryear, and may they return to their former glory!

I can happily report that my bowel function has improved massively since returning to a balanced diet! Maybe not to its former glory, but it's early days still.

 

[ommani]

I can happily report that my bowel function has improved massively since returning to a balanced diet! Maybe not to its former glory, but it's early days still.

Thanks for the update! I’ve been having some difficulty getting to sleep tonight (completely unrelated to my copious guayusa intake), but can already feel my body and mind relaxing, having learned that all is well on this front.

 

[PedroSanchez]

I can happily report that my bowel function has improved massively since returning to a balanced diet! Maybe not to its former glory, but it's early days still.

Thanks for the update! I’ve been having some difficulty getting to sleep tonight (completely unrelated to my copious guayusa intake), but can already feel my body and mind relaxing, having learned that all is well on this front.

we can close this thread now. in fact i think we can just shut down the forum now.

 

[EmeraldAtomiser]

Enlightenment is the quest for the perfect bowel movement.

 

[ommani]

Enlightenment is the quest for the perfect bowel movement.

Namaste

 

[DM3]

I've tried full keto, but I appreciate a low-carb diet much more. I want to eat nuts, dried fruits, and fruits in general...I think they are necessary, but they’re high in carbs. Moderation is the key. Of course, white sugar and processed foods are crap and should be completely avoided, just like alcohol. I think the diet should be healthy and diverse.
Intermittent fasting is definitely the way to go.