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Dipropyltryptamine Experience Report

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UgraKarma

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T+0:00 - Administer 20MG DPT into upper thigh muscle via intramuscular injection.

T+0:05 - Massaging muscle lying no my side. Looking for first signs of effects and maybe notice a subtle mushroom glow beginning to creep in.

T+0:07 - There it is. The effects of DPT seem to simply engage, very palpably - I can feel a familiar tryptamine space start to twist edges and breathe colored lights with a streadily increasing pace.

T+0:10 - This compound is aggressive. Once it shows its true colors it becomes clear why so many people seem to have challenging experiences with it. Absent is the awestruck, childlike wonder of DMT, or the transcendent radiance of 5-MeO-DMT. DPT has a distinct voice all its own, with perhaps funhouse / rollercoaster / manic energy to the whole thing.

T+0:20 - I suppose the duration of this compound is what makes it so darned aggressive. I'm not fighting this thing, but it seems to be presenting itself as if I'm approaching it with that energy. I feel as though I'm still coming up. I've resorted to lying face first in my bed and simply embracing the tidal wave of visions. Maniacal gargoyle faces (maybe similar to the VHS cover of the film Fright Night) with prismatic holograms in the negative spaces of their eyes and mouths, twisting their heads into an infinite medusa fractal... In fact, much of the spectrum of visions hints towards this hologram-styled reflective hallucination. Part of me feels like I should be frightened - I suppose it does look scary. Instead I'm smiling, imitating their maniacal pose, which strikes me as a bit psychotic, but I opt to go with it... I'm too dissociated from the situation to really be scared.

T+0:25 - Feel as though it may be settling. Open my eyes just to be sure. Reptilian-gremlin imagery cycles towards me in every direction. Nope. Best to keep lying down with eyes closed.

T+0:26 - At this point I'd guess approximately 40 minutes pass where a complete ego death, most of which now escapes me, must have transpired. It was as though the chemical wrestled me for some time, and finally, once worn into the dissociated state, the remainder of the trip took place.

T+1:20 - Begin to text message a friend. Indicate that I am most definitely still in some mid-trance state, but need to describe some, or any of what just happened. Indicate:

"I can still see the rainbow dmt madness every time I close my eyes and I gotta be 1:15 out. MAN"

"Like alabaster white medusa statues twisting and reproducing themselves fractally."

"Lots of prism gradient imagerey, all manacing in tone. Lots of mutating figures, faces"

"Dmt with big mechanical talons."

"Breakthrough experience for sure."

T+2:30 - Still hallucinating in a gentle, 'hour 6 of a strong dose of mushrooms'-type of way. Feel as though I definitely got through something amazing, for better or worse. Will likely try one more time with some different expectations just to really try to see if there's much worth exploring down this rabbit hole.
 
Thank you for that experience report.

Incredible trip for (only) 20mg IM. Are you generally more sensitive to such substances?
E.g. what do you dose usually for DMT, or 5-MeO-DMT?

I'm interested because I also recently got my hands on some DPT and some correlation dosing knowledge would surely come in handy.

I heard quite some people say DPT is like a mix in between 5-MeO-DMT and DMT in relation to it's effects (e.g. more dissociative than DMT).

How is the body feeling?

I'm too dissociated from the situation to really be scared.

That's kinda interesting. I read before, that people said, you get more like in an observer state, whereas on DMT you're like 1st person.

Would you wanna try it the next time again IM, or vaped?
As the longer duration IM is probably more exhausting than vaped.

Again thank you!
 
Concerning dosing, I'm not sure, although I will say that 20mg IM seemed much, much stronger than twice that amount insufflated. I don't think I'd refer to myself as a hard head, but hover around 12mg doses for 5meo, and at this point would guess 30-40 is the magic number for me with DMT. Perhaps I was just primed to have my bell rung that night. Who's to say?

What is a comfortable dose for you via IM? I have read that this compound has a pretty wide dosing window in terms of variability between test pilots, so I'd be curious to hear your experiences and how they differ.

There is medium bodyload, with the thought to purge coming and passing at one point during the come up. Otherwise, the body does feel quite relaxed and at ease, in a lethargic way if anything.

I think I'll be continuing with IM experiments for the short-term future, only because the literature seems to suggest that this is the preferred ROA and I only have so much material left to work with.
 
UgraKarma said:
Concerning dosing, I'm not sure, although I will say that 20mg IM seemed much, much stronger than twice that amount insufflated. I don't think I'd refer to myself as a hard head, but hover around 12mg doses for 5meo, and at this point would guess 30-40 is the magic number for me with DMT. Perhaps I was just primed to have my bell rung that night. Who's to say?

What is a comfortable dose for you via IM? I have read that this compound has a pretty wide dosing window in terms of variability between test pilots, so I'd be curious to hear your experiences and how they differ.

There is medium bodyload, with the thought to purge coming and passing at one point during the come up. Otherwise, the body does feel quite relaxed and at ease, in a lethargic way if anything.

I think I'll be continuing with IM experiments for the short-term future, only because the literature seems to suggest that this is the preferred ROA and I only have so much material left to work with.

This compound holds a special place in my heart. I'll have to go into greater detail later...I will say that once after insulation of around 60mgs I nearly instantly had to run to the sink and vomit, it didn't really feel physically "bad" as my mind was fairly disconnected from my physical form, I remember thinking "hmmm...am I ok...am I even an I?...should I be concerned about this situation?" And it was in a very real sense, it was incredibly disorienting and it was fairly hard for me to gather what was going on, or even lock onto the notion of a "me"...

DPT "feels" cold...the "warmth" I find with DMT is entirely absent, it's a distant, cold, mechanical space and feeling...I remember on one occasion there were three "beings" standing in front of me, I was unable to stand up, and was somehow being forced down on my knees in a bowing position, I wanted to look up to see the faces of the beings but was unable, I could only see their feet and midsection, but I could feel their eyes on me, it's strange that no matter how hard I tried I could not look at up them, or even stand on my feet...it was beyond Strange. ...any way I apologize, I don't mean to fill your thread with my reports.

It's so rare you encounter others with experience with DPT, which strikes me as odd considering the situation surrounding this compound, which is uncontrolled in the United states, and while it could possibly fall under analogue law, there are organizations in the United stares such as "The Temple of the True Inner Light" which openly use the compound as a sacrament, and as far as i know they do so without legal harassment, as shulgin elaborates:
There is a rather remarkable religious group known as the Temple of the True Inner Light, in New York City, which has embraced as its Eucharist DPT which they refer to as a powerful Angel of the Host. Their communion is confirmed by either the smoking or the drinking of the sacrament, and they have been totally unbothered by any agency of the Federal Government, as far as I know. It is not as if they were unknown. Quite on the contrary, I had on one occasion received a request for information on the drug from a reporter who was writing a story on DPT and its use in the church. I asked him just how he had gotten my name, and he told me that he was given it by someone within the DEA. Someone, sometime, should write an essay on contemporary religions, as to why DPT has flown, why peyote forever struggles, and LSD and marijuana have bombed out, when tied to religion. Is there something about a faith being an "approved" religion? Who gives his approval? Who decides the applicability of the first amendment which explicitly states that, "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof." -shulgin;TIHKAL



I'm actually rather glad that this compound remains rather unseen in the greater psychoactive community, which again, is hard to understand on my part, but which is probably a blessing in disguise...

any way, here is Erowid on dose:
DPT Dosage - Oral
Threshold - 75 mg
Common 150 - 250 mg
Strong 200 - 350 mg

DPT Dosage - IM
Threshold - 10 mg
Common 15 - 75 mg
Strong 50 - 125 mg

DPT Dosages - Smoked/Vaporized Freebase Oil
Threshold 10 mg
Common 20 - 50 mg
Strong 50 - 100 mg

DPT Dosage - Insufflated
Threshold 5 - 20 mg
Common 25 - 100 mg
Strong 60 - 200 mg


Erowid DPT Vault : Dosage
...though in TIHKAL shulgin lists an oral dose a of 500mgs.
[DPT](with 500 mg, orally) "This was intensely visual, and it lasted an exhausting 12 hours. I prefer the smoking route." -shulgin;PIHKAL

-eg
 
entheogenic-gnosis said:
DPT "feels" cold...the "warmth" I find with DMT is entirely absent, it's a distant, cold, mechanical space and feeling...I remember on one occasion there were three "beings" standing in front of me, I was unable to stand up, and was somehow being forced down on my knees in a bowing position, I wanted to look up to see the faces of the beings but was unable, I could only see their feet and midsection, but I could feel their eyes on me, it's strange that no matter how hard I tried I could not look at up them, or even stand on my feet...it was beyond Strange. ...any way I apologize, I don't mean to fill your thread with my reports.

It's so rare you encounter others with experience with DPT, which strikes me as odd considering the situation surrounding this compound, ...

By all means feel free to hijack my thread with any thoughts, observations, or notes you might have on this compound. It's a strange one to me.

I'm just curious to hear what others have to say concerning it, different feelings the community might harbor towards it, methods for integrating it into a spiritual practice, really anything...

It's struck my fascination. In some ways, it reminds me of ketamine in the manner with which I can let my thought stream run - but in its hallucinogenic presentation this compound is undoubtedly a through and through tryptamine (although perhaps a bit hairier than its cousins.)

I'll post more here as I continue to research and integrative follow-ups.
 
UgraKarma said:
entheogenic-gnosis said:
DPT "feels" cold...the "warmth" I find with DMT is entirely absent, it's a distant, cold, mechanical space and feeling...I remember on one occasion there were three "beings" standing in front of me, I was unable to stand up, and was somehow being forced down on my knees in a bowing position, I wanted to look up to see the faces of the beings but was unable, I could only see their feet and midsection, but I could feel their eyes on me, it's strange that no matter how hard I tried I could not look at up them, or even stand on my feet...it was beyond Strange. ...any way I apologize, I don't mean to fill your thread with my reports.

It's so rare you encounter others with experience with DPT, which strikes me as odd considering the situation surrounding this compound, ...

By all means feel free to hijack my thread with any thoughts, observations, or notes you might have on this compound. It's a strange one to me.

I'm just curious to hear what others have to say concerning it, different feelings the community might harbor towards it, methods for integrating it into a spiritual practice, really anything...

It's struck my fascination. In some ways, it reminds me of ketamine in the manner with which I can let my thought stream run - but in its hallucinogenic presentation this compound is undoubtedly a through and through tryptamine (although perhaps a bit hairier than its cousins.)

I'll post more here as I continue to research and integrative follow-ups.

it can have dystopian, robotic, technological, alien, mechanical, and demonic attributes, its a haunted compound, it's cold, I feel it behind my nose and in the back of my neck, like a cold numb feeling, always after insufflating the compound. there's generally a tightness in the stomach and chest, sometimes vomiting occurs, the heart pounds, well at least it feels like my heart is pounding, thrn vivid visual hallucination involving your surroundings takes hold, until at some points it's difficult to tell whether your eyes are open or not, as the hallucination consumes your visual field either way. There can be euphoric instances, feelings of oneness, intense feelings love and compassion, though you can also be dragged through an alien "meat-locker" infested with mechanical demons. There can be deep insight, you actually get some time with this one, though it's always very disorienting, I can understand your ketamine comment, there is this strange spacey disconnect.

I honestly did not want to fill your thread with a bunch of my nonsense, though after waiting for some time it appeared that I would not be interrupting anybody, Im trying to keep my posts short, and practice good form in your thread, and I'm trying to leave plenty of room for others to contribute.

As far as how others incorporate it into their practice, I have heard that "the temple of the true inner light" basically give you a high dose of DPT and then they place you in a room with bible versus being played over speakers, or being read to you, though I'm not sure how true any if this is.

I was told this when asking around about this church, I had interest in going to talk with them and was warned not to, being told likely exaggerated stories. Though one must keep in mind that it is a church, and that if you don't have some genuine beliefs relating to theirs, and just want to use DPT, then it's probably a bad idea to get involved. I did not want to get involved, like yourself I wanted to see how this compound was being incorporated into a religion, and was curious what exactly they believe and how they live, to me it seems like a fascinating situation, though one must always keep one's wits about oneself when venturing into situations as such.

So have you only injected DPT? And only into the muscle? Outside of research this ROA seems quite rare, I've certainly never encountered it outside if a research situation, and I'm curious as to how you arrived at this method of consumption.

I'm very curious about your experiences, and can not wait for you to further elaborate.

-eg
 
it can have dystopian, robotic, technological, alien, mechanical, and demonic attributes, its a haunted compound

A good way to put it.

I also agree with the ketamine comment, it is quite dissociative. Even the afterglow.


I have had a number of experiences with this compound, the last being the most intense, an IV dose.

I was attempting to breakthrough with it like DMT, I may write up an experience report about it. I learned that it is everybit as powerful as DMT, but it doesn't breakthrough the same way. (MPT does, though.)

The thing is with these tryptamines, one description fits all, overwhelming, totally alien, totally weird etc etc, yet comparing DPT to DMT in terms of weirdness, there just is no comparison. They are that vast. DPT is less visual than DMT (at these high doses) but is the most tactile drug I've ever come across, but tactile does not = euphoric.

The experience came on instantaneously, and it was so overwhelming, that it was overwhelming overwhelming. It was like I had gained a thousand new senses i didn't know I had and all of them were being simultaneously overwhelmed to their limit.

It was so utterly alien, if DMT is like Andromeda galaxy alien, then DPT is alternate universe deep space inside a black hole alien.

The vibrations/tremors are immense, but far from euphoric. DPT felt like a trillion alien orgasms, except to a human being, alien orgasms do not feel good, they feel just extremely strange and weird and like nothing imaginable, uncomfortable and overwhelming to say the least.

all of the propyl analogues, MPT, EPT, and DPT share this dysphoria and weird strangeness. the the other hand , ethyl, like DET are quite euphoric.

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However, amidst all the strangeness in the end, it DOES indeed complete what all tryptamines, and psychedelics, can do , with that returning to oneness.

I was talking to The Traveler after this experience, and we were discussing it. The topic of mescaline came up, and I think our discussion describes it very well.

04:25:32 ‹The Traveler›So in tha regards a true psychedelic.
04:25:34 ‹Mindlusion›the sensations
04:25:41 ‹Mindlusion›yes indeed
04:25:43benzyme joined the room
04:25:51 ‹Mindlusion›a true psychedelic
04:25:58 ‹Mindlusion›truely weird
04:26:20 ‹Mindlusion›i wouldnt lump it with the classic ones
04:26:23 ‹Mindlusion›its too weird
04:26:24 ‹Mindlusion›heh
04:26:45 ‹Mindlusion›but a powerful psychedelic it is
04:27:17 ‹Running Bear›The global population has grown from 1 billion in 1800 to 7 billion in 2012. WTF!
04:27:55 ‹The Traveler›Did you ever take like a high dose of mescaline?
04:28:00 ‹Mindlusion›i feel relatively numb now
04:28:04 ‹Mindlusion›yes i did, recently
04:28:12 ‹Mindlusion›with some twangs of sensation
04:28:14 ‹The Traveler›How much?
04:28:25 ‹Mindlusion›720mg of sulfate salt
04:28:26benzyme left the room (Timeout)
04:28:29 ‹Mindlusion›dry sulfate
04:28:40 ‹The Traveler›Nice, at a certain dsoe of mescaline.
04:28:52 ‹jamie›whats a mid dose and high dose for you trav?
04:28:54 ‹Mindlusion›that does was also more than enough ,
04:28:56 ‹The Traveler›You slowly but def will become one with all
04:29:03 ‹jamie›I think most I had was split 800mg with my ex gf
04:29:05 ‹Mindlusion›yeah, it happened with that one
04:29:10 ‹Mindlusion›in the most beautiful way possible
04:29:15 ‹The Traveler›MEscaline mid would be 450mg, high would be 1 gram.
04:29:25 ‹Mindlusion›i think one of the most beautiful experiences
04:29:29 ‹Mindlusion›ive ever had
04:29:38 ‹The Traveler›Yes, for me too.
04:29:53 ‹Mindlusion›slowly meshing with it
04:29:57 ‹The Traveler›Slowly being absorbed y all.
04:30:02 ‹Mindlusion›in every sense of the phrase
04:30:03 ‹Mindlusion›yes
04:30:08 ‹Mindlusion›mind, body and spirit
04:30:08 ‹The Traveler›Indeed.
04:30:25 ‹Mindlusion›yeah dpt was not like that
04:30:28 ‹Mindlusion›:lol:
04:30:30 ‹The Traveler›How does DPT settle in that?
04:30:33 ‹The Traveler›lol
04:30:36Running Bear left the room (Timeout)
04:30:37 ‹Mindlusion›polar opposite
04:30:45 ‹Mindlusion›well not opposite
04:30:46 ‹Mindlusion›just way out there
04:30:49 ‹Mindlusion›way out in left field
04:30:50 ‹The Traveler›And you knew I would ask.
04:30:52 ‹Mindlusion›doing alien stuff
04:30:55 ‹Mindlusion›hehe

Mescaline accomplishes this in the most beautiful, gentle, loving way you could possibly imagine. That I can understand as a religious sacrament.

But DPT? in such an weird , cold and alien method? I cannot imagine why a church would pick this compound. I did also feel a sense of evil pondering that during the experience.
 
entheogenic-gnosis said:
So have you only injected DPT? And only into the muscle? Outside of research this ROA seems quite rare, I've certainly never encountered it outside if a research situation, and I'm curious as to how you arrived at this method of consumption.

I'm very curious about your experiences, and can not wait for you to further elaborate.

I have also insufflated DPT, beyond the IM work. I have since attempted a 12MG dose to markedly less fantastic results compared to my original post on this thread. Without the big disconnect from standard consciousness that I'd referred to at "T+0:26", it seems like a markedly less interesting compound. I probably will not spend much more effort investigating threshold doses. I have not yet tried vaporizing DPT.

I plan to attempt one more intramuscular dose, this time at 30MG instead of 20. My hope is to reach this state of disconnect more promptly than I was allowed to with the 20MG dosage. Do you think that this would be a reasonable expectation?

On a separate note - after some web digging part of me wonders if the Temple of True Inner Light is a hoax within the confines of the psychedelic community. It simply all seems like "I heard so and so..." content concerning their practice.
 
Interesting to read the similar experiences with DPT. Except to the contrary DPT does not hold a special place to me. I utterly hate this compound. It might be my least favorite psychedelic ever. My first trip was much like DMT. So much so that I acquired more in hopes of a decent legal replacement. After numerous other attempts and smoking and insufflating it I have to say I've found nothing good in it. A mere 20mg up the nose has me yacking from the taste and so on edge I couldn't conceive of going deeper. The poster who compared it to a dissociative is spot on. There were a few trips I was scared for my sanity because it gave me instant DP/DR for like three hours. Like the trip subsided but I felt like I was so high I was watching my life from on top of the sears tower.

I've actually smoked DMT and DPT back to back and the differences stood out clearly. DMT is beautiful, geometrically intricate, buzzing with a warm euphoria, and orderly. DPT is scattered, cold, lacks any guiding visions or hypnotic effect. It feels like a mental illness every time. My wife fiends for the stuff on the other hand. But I gotta say watching her on it is concerning at times. The stuff she says goes beyond your average trip talk.
 
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