DMT, Aliens, and Mesoamerican Art and Mythology

[lyserge]

I hope you check back and see the images I just poster, which remind me very much of crayon drawings. They come from Teotihuacan, near Mexico City, and I can assure you drugs were invovled. I'm wondering if the beings they met and recorded in their art are the same sort you are meeting. They apparently built their entire civilization on the results of their meeting with these beings and I wonder if technological nformation was exchanged along the way. If so, did they cross over into this dimention or was the transmission purely vision-related?

I think what I'm seeing in the art is people being trained to use spice to communicate with the Others. To do this, they often cut on themselves to draw blood which they smear on paper and burn it (in the picture of the lady talking to the dragon, there is a bowl with papers ready to burn....it's under the snake)...

Or should we let sleeping dogs lie?

Wow, thank you for teaching my so much about Spice! The new pictures you posted, especially the three eyed one, are very similar to the entities we have come across.

Regarding your speculative idea that the pyramids are a purposefully charged place where the veil is especially thin, I've seen that idea before in relation to Celtic notions of certain places, especially borders (often with physical markers), springs, and the like, being places where the veil is thin. I will make a point to test the rest of your ideas in future sessions.

Regarding the "blood" topic. The only time I've heard of blood coming up with respect to shamanix has been with respect to menstrual blood. According to Steve Beyer's "Singing to the Plants", Amazonian shamans from many different groups say that the "spirits" do not like the smell of menstrual blood (or other sexual fluids for that matter). Beyer also discusses dark shamanic fluids or phlegm that the shaman can use to suck out magic darts or other weapons of sorcerers.

Are you familiar with any of Paul Devereux's work? He's written about the pyramids and many of the "Earth Mysteries". Also, Graham Hancock's "Supernatural" would be a good source for your work. I find particularly fascinating his notion of "junk DNA" containing messages written by the designers of DNA; he suggests that it can be accessed during non-ordinary states.

Since you can't partake yourself due to doctor's orders, I'm trying to figure out how I/we can best help you with your research. I've heard of people trying to test whether the entities are "real" by asking them to compute the prime factors of a large number. I think this approach is incredibly human-centric. I wonder what sort of information we could try to bring back to help you with your work.

 

[lyserge]

Also there are many very powerful spots on the South Island of New Zealand where the 'veil' seems quite thin. One is called Castle Hill, a basin way up in the Southern Alps with these enormous limestone boulders; it was the site of a village the pre-European inhabitants used as a stopover while crossing the Alps. There is an unmistakable charge here, even the Dalai Lama commented on it. Here's a picture:

https://flic.kr/p/5eV1J9

, and another one, I'd post them except they're huge files:

https://flic.kr/p/4vaNfq

The Maori have stories about this place being the old "School of the Stars". The story says that a strange creature descended here from a kite, taught the people about the stars, then ascended once again to the stars. How fascinating that these stories appear all over the world, even among cultures where there was no use of entheogenic substances.

 

[aumumano]

Those pictures you showed here Chalchiuhtlicue..., are totaly Dmt like, i mean, they are truly intricate, the one on the 11º post and the 13º is basically the kind of engine-machines i saw in my first strong breaktrought, the enignes were mixed with the entities, and i was connected to them by those engines and they were half technological engines half biological... and in the last picture, on post 17, this face...kind child like...almost like a kind of docil monster or space clown was almost exactly like my guide on my first strip... he was really funny and loving creature...kind prankster...but very friendly and funny...and below that...those complex strucutures with faces mixed with the structures... is a lot like what i saw...but on dmt was that with multiple dimension and colours!!!!
Thanks for the pictures and information...beautiful work you are doind!!!

AUMUMANO

" The eye is the gate to the soul, and the Music is the gate to the Human Soul"

 

[whiskey5]

taking some time to soak up all that is written here, but something occured to me - and maybe its just me, but:

His wife/sister/mother/feamle attribute (these characteristics get blurred over time) sports butterflies and flowers and wears a jade (or blue) net skirt representing water and fertility, but she's got spiders in her hair, drips water and seeds from her finger tips, wears a bird mask and has claws on her toes.

that is quite a description. I understand its your words, based on your knowledge of the subject matter, but even so it is quite a description.

it made me think what does our modern society have in comparison. whether the deity (if thats correct) you described is myth or real, what do we have: we have

1) a jolly fat man in a red suit who flies all around the world dropping presents off to only the good kids (and, as an aside, some would say this guy is a descendant of amanita eating shamans of the siberian regions)

2) green women who fly around on broomsticks late at night and drop curses on bad kids (again - an aside, some might say women rubbed henbane on broomsticks in order to absorb the substance in capillary rich regions of the body).

We look back on the ancient societies, and say wow - they worshipped some figure who dripped water and seeds from her finger

And so, about 1500 years from now, someone can look back on us and say wow - they worshipped a fat man in red suit, every winter solstice.

 

[Chalchiuhtlicue]

whiskey5, I agree! Archaeologists from the future are going to wonder if we worshipped some clown at the temple with the golden arches or what the political significance was attached to the king of burgers, based on the paper and plastic "votives" left in trash heaps all over our planet. Today we use pottery shards dug from ancient garbage dumps to date excavations and determine trading links...in the far future it will be styrofoam, which is rumored to be indestructable (unless burned). Think of the young cockroach scientist who makes a big name for himself, having worked out a scientific system for dating the stuff.

What I'm trying to avoid is making the mistake of placing what are officially labeled as gods into the wrong catagories. The Maya called them "ancestors" and depicted them emerging from the mouths of feathered serpents or falling (with folded wings) from the sky. I am guessing the ones falling from the sky might be a metaphor for visitors from the sky (either aliens or members of some ancient technological group that had access to the air, like perhaps Atlantis or Mu or folks we've never heard of due to natural disasters ((like sudden onset ice ages)).

I am guessing the ones issuing forth from the mouths of serpents could be personages from another dimension, perhaps reached through drugs. I'm camping out here because I am guessing the drug of choice was spice of some sort. Both frogs and vines figure highly in the iconography of the ancients in Mesoamerica, and from the comments so far, I am getting more convinced that I'm on the right track.


This leads me to some further questions.

1.Folks who take spice meet characters who resemble characters the Maya (and others) incororated into their artwork and religious practices.

2.I'm concluding, therefore, that spice use in the old days provided similar results to what you all get today.

3. The old civilizations were built on spice, took it seriously, and used what they learned on spice to (among other things)build pyramids, study the stars, and create a calendar as accurate as the one we use today (and more complicated).

4. Starting with the olmecs, the mesoamerican civilizations lasted nearly four thousand years. A lot went on we don't know anything about. Spice apparently works as a founding principle when applied to civilization building.

5. I'd like you imagine what our world would be like if our leaders took spice as seriously as the Mayans did. Would it be possible, with some training perhaps, to use spice as a tool for scientific and/or political purposes (I shudder at the thought, but am thinking it anyway). What if it were regarded as more than a recreational experience? More than a mystical/personal thing? What if it was taken seriously?

6. Would you see yourself participating in any way in such a new deal?

I'm just wondering...I'm not recruiting!

 

[۩]

Chal, you are definitely right on track . .

 

[Chalchiuhtlicue]

۩ , thanks for stopping by again.

I like your quote.
It reminds me of a spiritual teaching I once encountered, that we are like flowers blossoming in a field in another dimension. Unfortunatley, if we're eminating at the wrong vibratory level,apparently, we become fodder for beings who nibble our vibes and induce depression...so I was cautioned to always put up a peaceful front when letting my mind go.

 

[۩]

It's true. The soul is projected by the body and it's very flower like. The spice blooms us right up into the flood of all.
Peace and positivity are healthy ;]

 

[Blundering_Novice]

I find particularly fascinating his notion of "junk DNA" containing messages written by the designers of DNA; he suggests that it can be accessed during non-ordinary states.

YES!! I assume you've also seen Dennis McKenna talking about this on youtube?

 

[burnt]

Junk DNA has nothing to do with messages from ancestors or designers. And no you can't access DNA while high on drugs that makes no sense.

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And OP the starfield foundation? Come on now? Are you guys really archeologists? Your website seems filled with more aliens built the pyraminds psychopsiritual crap masquarading as archeology. Alchemy? Yea you guys are frauds.

5. I'd like you imagine what our world would be like if our leaders took spice as seriously as the Mayans did. Would it be possible, with some training perhaps, to use spice as a tool for scientific and/or political purposes (I shudder at the thought, but am thinking it anyway). What if it were regarded as more than a recreational experience? More than a mystical/personal thing? What if it was taken seriously?

BWAH! And start sacrificing each other to please their "gods". That sounds like a great idea.


No offense OP but your orginization is a joke and your theories are no different then the hundreds of books you see at new age conventions and UFO conventions and other assorted nonsense. I am sorry if I am the first person to burst your bubble but someone needs too.

 

[clouds]

Junk DNA has nothing to do with messages from ancestors or designers. And no you can't access DNA while high on drugs that makes no sense.

Mckenna was way off on this one.

Dennis McKenna didn't say ANYTHING about 'Junk DNA' access while on drugs. Lets be very careful here...

Blundering_Novice is confusing a video where Graham Hancock is speculating on Francis Crick's theory of Directed Panspermia with a video where Dennis McKenna is interviewed by the DMT documentary staff and then suggests that DNA and DMT may be somehow related with alien design. Two very different things.

The video about Junk DNA [Graham Hancock]

The video about the connection 'DMT and DNA' [Dennis McKenna]

 

[burnt]

Good I am glad he didn't say anything so absurd.

 

[lyserge]

Good I am glad he didn't say anything so absurd.

I love you burnt. You're our resident shadow Scientist patrolling us and keeping our speculations in check.

I'm curious if you find Jeremy Narby's work (Cosmic Serpent, et al) equally absurd? You seem to think the entities we encounter are aspects of ourselves viewed/magnified through the Spice filtering lens. Do you think Spice or other psychedelics give us access to this information through DNA, or is this pure speculation as far as you're concerned?

 

[Big Inhale]

Prett cool thread.I would like to contribute a little by saying that Iam a caucasian american male and have never seen mesoamerican type things when under the influence. Only hindu type vision such as Ganesha and what could be called hindu artwork. Never mean akways nice and welcoming.

 

[tub54847]

Going off how hinduism is related (besides the 3rd eye's connection to the pineal gland of course), here are some excerpts from the Bhagavad Gita: (when Krishna responds to Arjuna after Arjuna asks to show his immortal self) "He appeared with an infinitie number of faces, ornamented by heavenly jewels, displaying unending miracles and countless weapons of his power" Would you describe hyperspace to be jeweled? And concerning these "weapons of power", I've seen many similar reports of people saying they witnessed the entities use extraordinary scepter like items. For example: "This elf holds two wands one in each hand, on the end of the wand glistened a gem of spasming colors. With these wands an elf was controlling a shifting geometrical shape around" from dmttrip trip reorts webpage. Possibly any connection? Thanks for starting this thread, I am very interested in the same subject matter and study it since I am an archaeology major. The psychedelic experience does indeed play a major role in ancient art/religion, especially the dmt space.

 

[Chalchiuhtlicue]

Sorry I wasn't around yesterday for the furious posting. I love a good rukus!8)
I picture this thread as a conversation in a pub somewhere, maybe here:

Thing about pubs is, somebody always wants to get frisky.

So,to Burnt:

Starfield Foundation operates on the fringe, yes. That's what we do. And I am here because this site is definately not the middle of the road, so your flaming came as a surprize.
If you really would like to debate, perhaps this is not the place. Can we take it to another venue? You've been to the Starfield site. Email me or the Scribe there and we'll be happy to talk things out.

But just to clarify....

I've been a student of ancient cultures for 40 years, with field experience in North America and Mexico. Am I an archaeologist? I don't know. Depends on how you define it. Is there a catagory in the box you would like to put me in called "paranormal-archaeologist"? Have I done field work? Yes. Have I traveled to sacred sites and participated in native ceremonies to honor local spiritual entities? Quite often. Have I encountered beings whose origin I am unable to place? Yes. Have I ever done this through the medium of spice? No. That's why I'm here in this thread. I'm just checking to see if there's a connecting between what I've found through other means (including some mild organics) and what you all have run into with DMT.

Now: Hinduism. Ah..What other culture has the main god get crazy and cut off his son's head, realize what he's done and stick on an elephant's to replace it? What were those guys smoking?! I love it! But, seriously, the Bhagavd Gita and related texts make a great case for visiting aliens. There, the "gods" fly through the sky on chariots, on birds, on all sorts of creatures. There's a lot of info out there on this subject. Here's a link to one of my compatriots on the fringe who has a lot to say on the subject: Flying Machines in Old India

These are the same bejeweled folks tub54847 speaks of. Another figure of note is Shiva, who dances the world into existence (aren't the tykes suppossed to be singing their creations into existence?) and whose dance perpetuates his creation (see attached)...What you see in the Indian images of beings with several sets of arms and legs may represent the artist trying to put into physical form the ever-changing multi-dimensional "flicker" of what you describe as seeing on spice. The civilization of ancient India was developed through a relationship with the drug they called "Soma", which Wasson made a case for being the Amanita muscaria. Gods dancing the world into creation, a tradition of getting stoned to worship gods, and very detailed descriptions of flying machines... The posibility of actual interactions with aliens you have to get stoned to see is raised one more time.

Thanks for responding!

 

[Chalchiuhtlicue]

We've been discussing ancient art and aliens, but there's room for contemporary examples as well. I mentioned that I met an interdimensional being once. Alex Grey seems to have met some of the same dudes. If you are not familiar with his art work, please visit Home.

Perhaps the aliens have landed and they are us.

 

[Ginkgo]

I absolutely love that artwork, I actually have it hanging right in front of me here. It is Alex's attempt to describe how he saw during a high-dose LSD experience that what we perceive as reality actually is an illusion. I must say I find this thread very very interesting!

I have nothing to add right now, but I will keep following the thread and post if it is something that comes to my mind. Also, I propose that Chalchiuhtlicue gets promoted from the nursery right away. He strikes me as one of the most open-minded and wise individuals in here.

 

[hierophant]

I think this quote by Terence Mckenna is interesting:

"I have been to Konarak and visited Bubaneshwar. I'm familiar with Hindu iconography and have collected thankas. I saw similarites between my LSD experiences and the iconography of Mahayana Buddhism. In fact, it was LSD experiences that drove me to collect Mahayana art. But what amazed me was the total absence of the motifs of DMT. It is not there; it is not there in any tradition familiar to me."

 

[88]

I've met Ganesha too - in fact, I was inside him. Suddenly looked down and had this long blue trunk. (Hence the avatar) Also met The Monkey King once - chinese mythological being I'd never heard of before seeing him Inside.