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DMT, Aliens, and Mesoamerican Art and Mythology

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Thank you, Evening Glory. Alex's work is mindboggling.

hierophant, I enjoy your quote. It seems odd with all his traveling that he didn't see the murals at Teotihuacan or pottery from Nazca. But it took me years to guess the connection. Most of the Mayan stuff is carved in stone which used to be painted but which has usually worn off. And you have to hang out in museums to see the paintings on pottery. What did he think of Alex Grey's work?
 
88, the closest I've come to THAT is once I experienced the consciousness of a blade of grass. Caught me off guard and I couldn't hold myself open for long, but it was one intense and joyous shout of "GREEN!!!!!" I haven't been able to mow a lawn since.😉
 
I guess the interpretation of art is very subjective so Mckenna may have seen those art works but not connected them with DMT. Im not sure about his opinion on Alex Greys art but Alex Grey certainly likes him and said ""In the twilight of human history, McKenna's prescription for salvation is just so crazy it might work." I found both of these quotes last night when i was cruising around this awesome site http://deoxy.org/mckenna.htm partiucularily this essay that mckenna wrote http://deoxy.org/t_thc.htm
 
Chalchiuhtlicue said:
We've been discussing ancient art and aliens, but there's room for contemporary examples as well. I mentioned that I met an interdimensional being once. Alex Grey seems to have met some of the same dudes. If you are not familiar with his art work, please visit Home.

Perhaps the aliens have landed and they are us.
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*belly chuckle* Yes you're a great addition here, Chal, hope to see you upgraded and posting around the Nexus.
 
hehehe i thought up another Terence Mckenna reference to do with your post Chal. When you say "perhaps the aliens are us" Terence Mckenna put forward the idea that perhaps we have been disconnected from ourselves for so long, that when the self appears, it appears alien to us, so we are alien to ourselves.
 
Hierophant...Perhaps what spice brings is a connection to that alien self. Maybe the entities are asking us to see that connection so we can know ourselves. The ancient greeks were into that "know thyself" concept. Plato (I think) said we were all shadows reflected on a cave wall and that when we found ourselves we would be amazed.

I sure would have liked to meet Terrence. I am glad he lives on in his books. I've read Food of the Gods and several essays posted on the internet. Cool dude.
 
burnt said:
Junk DNA has nothing to do with messages from ancestors or designers. And no you can't access DNA while high on drugs that makes no sense.

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And OP the starfield foundation? Come on now? Are you guys really archeologists? Your website seems filled with more aliens built the pyraminds psychopsiritual crap masquarading as archeology. Alchemy? Yea you guys are frauds.

5. I'd like you imagine what our world would be like if our leaders took spice as seriously as the Mayans did. Would it be possible, with some training perhaps, to use spice as a tool for scientific and/or political purposes (I shudder at the thought, but am thinking it anyway). What if it were regarded as more than a recreational experience? More than a mystical/personal thing? What if it was taken seriously?
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BWAH! And start sacrificing each other to please their "gods". That sounds like a great idea.


No offense OP but your orginization is a joke and your theories are no different then the hundreds of books you see at new age conventions and UFO conventions and other assorted nonsense. I am sorry if I am the first person to burst your bubble but someone needs too.
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Well, aren't you sure of yourself? I wish I could be so certain about what is nonsense as well.
 
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burnt said:
Junk DNA has nothing to do with messages from ancestors or designers. And no you can't access DNA while high on drugs that makes no sense.

Mckenna was way off on this one.
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Dennis McKenna didn't say ANYTHING about 'Junk DNA' access while on drugs. Lets be very careful here...

Blundering_Novice is confusing a video where Graham Hancock is speculating on Francis Crick's theory of Directed Panspermia with a video where Dennis McKenna is interviewed by the DMT documentary staff and then suggests that DNA and DMT may be somehow related with alien design. Two very different things.

The video about Junk DNA [Graham Hancock]

The video about the connection 'DMT and DNA' [Dennis McKenna]
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I am not confusing anything. I was specifically talking about the D. McKenna video. Nowhere did I say I 'believed' it and nowhere did I mention that we could decode our DNA while on drugs. That is not to say I think its impossible; I just simply DID NOT remark on it.


Burnt, as much as I appreciate scientific objectivity and rationalism, your sheer disgust of people exercising their imaginations is probably not suited for this place. Feel free to comment, but your declarations of what 'nonsense' is of little interest to anyone or anything outside of your own ego.


This is not the first time I have encountered Burnt's shitty attitude on this site. And I've yet to see any posts of his that redeem his surliness. Is there an ignore function?
 
burnt said:
Junk DNA has nothing to do with messages from ancestors or designers. And no you can't access DNA while high on drugs that makes no sense.
I challenge you to prove that it does not. Oh, you can't? The perhaps you'd be better suited simply saying that you 'suspect it does not.'

Personally, I don't claim to know. I do claim to enjoy fanciful exercises of my imagination, though. My rationalism is perfectly in tact, and I do not require you to oversee that it remains functional.
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Blundering_Novice said:
clouds said:
burnt said:
Junk DNA has nothing to do with messages from ancestors or designers. And no you can't access DNA while high on drugs that makes no sense.

Mckenna was way off on this one.
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Dennis McKenna didn't say ANYTHING about 'Junk DNA' access while on drugs. Lets be very careful here...

Blundering_Novice is confusing a video where Graham Hancock is speculating on Francis Crick's theory of Directed Panspermia with a video where Dennis McKenna is interviewed by the DMT documentary staff and then suggests that DNA and DMT may be somehow related with alien design. Two very different things.

The video about Junk DNA [Graham Hancock]

The video about the connection 'DMT and DNA' [Dennis McKenna]
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I am not confusing anything. I was specifically talking about the D. McKenna video. Nowhere did I say I 'believed' it and nowhere did I mention that we could decode our DNA while on drugs. That is not to say I think its impossible; I just simply DID NOT remark on it.


Burnt, as much as I appreciate scientific objectivity and rationalism, your sheer disgust of people exercising their imaginations is probably not suited for this place. Feel free to comment, but your declarations of what 'nonsense' is of little interest to anyone or anything outside of your own ego.


This is not the first time I have encountered Burnt's shitty attitude on this site. And I've yet to see any posts of his that redeem his surliness. Is there an ignore function?
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It does seem to go against the idea of respect which this site encourages in the Attitude link.
 
Well, having read Traveler's thread on no UFO-themed posts, I figure it's time to say goodbye.
I have certainly enjoyed the discourse we've had so far and am sorry to leave. But I am guessing from your silence over the last couple of days, that our conversation is over.

I started out my first post asking if a thread like this was appropriate for this site, and I guess now I have my answer. It's cool. I didn't know and I'm ok with that.

I appreciate all the positive comments and wonder where the negativity came from. I am confused that some argument over DNA which did not actually originate from anything I've posted has created conflict and brought the discussion to a stop.

I'm a little uncomfortable being grouped with "conspiracy theory" folks. I believe sincerely in alien contact...I think a discussion of the possible alien connection to those on spice who feel entities are trying to make contact IS appropriate to this audience, if not this site. I am not in any way trying to "sell" anyone on any particular idea...I am only presenting my point of view and enjoining the responses. When I find a forum where these things can be discussed in a reasonable manner, I'll stop back by and leave a forwarding address, if this thread is still up.

I regret that my ideas have caused any conflict on this site.

Thanks again.
Chal
 
Friend, don't let the haters get to you. Of course you will experience negativity when you are brave and discuss subjects out of the ordinary. Of course such subjects will provoke intense discussions, even at the side of your original subject. That is a part of the life of being something out of the ordinary. It's really a blessing, if you choose it to be.

I don't see how anything you have written here can be regarded as conspiracy theories. I am sure that the reasoning behind The Traveler's choice of banning such subjects is the intense negativity they bring in. Your subjects does not bring anything negative, to the contrary it brings amusement and interesting questions.

Please stay, and no matter I wish you the best of luck in your utmost interesting and challenging quest.
 
Thanks. I don't want to go, but I read all the responses to Traveler's message about banning CT and UFO/alien contact type stuff was specifically banned. I don't want to cause any trouble. Perhaps the Traveler might comment and get me off the hook, if he's listening...

I would prefer to stay.
 
As the first action of my newly provided moderator powers, I have the great honor of giving Chalchiuhtlicue a full membership. I really hope you will stay with us as we really could need your take on things here, and I believe we also can prove helpful in your work.
 
I recently visited Mexico City. At the ruins of the Temple Mayor, in the center of town, I ran across these fine specimins (possibly bufo) carved in stone. In the Yucatan, more to the east in Maya country, I came across a zocalo (central city square) with a fountain in it surround by equally large toads. The anthropologists suggest they represent some attribute of the rain god, Tlaloc, as they are a water beings. I suggest, if bufos, they represent reverence to the spice they contain, which may have been taken in order to communicate with Tlaloc and his...get this...army of animated dwarves who like to play tricks on mankind.

Hummmmm.
 

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