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DMT and Piracetam

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timeloop

timeloop

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Ok this isnt actually a personal experience as such, however SWIM is in preperation for a series of very deep journeys... and will post some experiences in this thread very soon.

but lately there has been some kind of internal hesitation on SWIMs part when going to smoke the spice... nothing in particular that SWIM can put a finger on... but there almost seems to be something telling/asking not to... SWIM has had his fair share of scary DMT trips, but has become more adept at dealing with the fear and has generally been able to focus intent and pass through the fear when it occurs... lately there has definitely been a great deal of hesitation... not sure why exactly, until today...

SWIM is currently on a daily dose of PIRACETAM and CHOLINE

today SWIM found this report on another forum:

Anyway, nanobrain - DMT and piracetam... holy fucking shit, um, "BAD"!! I couldn't narrow it down to anything else.. There were two times, once I took DMT orally w/harmaline during a piracetam daily thing, and oh god, when the DMT hit, it scared the SHIT out of me. No visuals, i heard my own voice come out of the radio speakers saying "wow" and other things, now, its normal to hear voices and stuff on DMT, but "something was not right". I felt like schizophrenic or something, i don't know how to explain it other than things in my head were getting routed to the 'wrong' area's. Panic. The solution? GBL! (actually it was 1,4-butanediol). I tried to stay calm and take my 1,4 bottle eye dropper thing and i managed to drip enough drops into a gelcap (how i would always take GBL/1,4, tasteless), for one capsule, as i was doing this my hands would start shaking almost violently like "something bad" was taking over, taking control, but not in a good way. I managed to quickly swallow this one capsule and knew i wouldn't be able to do a second. So I tried to sit calmly and wait. It worked enough eventually to cut the shit out..

That was the first time anything like it ever ever EVER happened on DMT, and I did not know why, i actually thought it was a 'bad DMT trip' or well i just had no explanation for it.

The next time it happened, was taking piracetam daily like before, smoked some DMT, not much, but as i inhaled the smoke... some "red alert" flag was set and i KNEW the feeling so i blew out the smoke as fast as i could, same shit, scary, "just NOT RIGHT", and stayed in one position until the effects of the DMT wore off (both of these times did not feel like DMT would normally).

This didn't happen all the time, on piracetam, but i dropped the piracetam totally, and well, DMT has been like DMT should be ever since.

I was not taking choline supplements with piracetam, maybe that was the issue..

But, as i'm a DMT addict/freak, um, of course, i quit piracetam for good then. All better :). But christ piracetam FUCKS with DMT! Other psychedelics might be enhanced or whatever, but as DMT works differently (sorry, no scientific proof i can give anyone, hehe.. only DMT freaks would understand, i guess lol) whoa...

DMT is now DMT all the time everytime (which is always = great). I'm curious if it was from taking piracetam without choline supplements... but really who knows.. All i know is other DMT freaks have said, piracetam really fucks with the DMT experience although never read about anyone experiencing what I did those couple times. Only GBL/1,4-b / ghb would put an immediate stop to it (forget benzo's etc).
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and this

nanobrain
29-04-2006, 06:17
^come to think of it, there were a couple times when smoked DMT with a background of piracetam produced undesirable effects – mostly physical and auditory, not much in the visionary / visual way, somewhat paranoia-inducing and disabling.

at the time, this was thought to be due to the DMT quality (then source proven less than entirely trustworthy later) and the cumulative effects of the copious polypsychedelic spree at the tail of which (multi-day bush doof) said DMT was smoked at sub-breakthrough.

but in retrospect, i rethink – and this is what i’ve thunked, so bear with my SWAG:

while the effects of the racetams may be perceived by some as subtle, the mechanisms of their action are undeniably rather multifaceted.

enhanced cortical GABAergic inhibition, enhanced interhemispheric (transcallosal) transfer, potentiation of already present neurotransmission, increased 5-HT and DA levels and turnover in the cortex – what you’ve got is a whole host of actions leading to modulating effects on the action of the radical psychedelic DMT when thrown into the human system.

the analogy fuelled by fucking w/the mixer cables while soundchecking for my last gig - in a sense, racetams act as a preamp, throw in the DMT and you’ve got too much signal unless your ‘gain’ and ‘level’ are turned down way low, and especially with the racetams effects on the corpus callosum, you could be creating a feedback loop, overloading the circuitry, and creating mucho distortion.

as the manual says: please remember that you can only use either the microphone or the line input of a channel at any one time, you can never use both simultaneously!

now, given good shielding and solid components (not the case at my last gig), nothing should be blown/permafried, although you may have to reboot, but doesn’t distortion suck?

anyhow, the conclusion: further research is required…
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Has anyone else ever experienced contraindications while combining DMT and Piracetam?

any input would be greatly appreciated my friends.
 
do you guys have a therapy to go with that? because from what i've read it is only supposed to do you any good together with a therapy. Does the stuff have a feel to it? I'm always very interested in pharma stuff, because i never took any and i probably never will. But i love listening to stories about how it feels and stuff.
 
From what I have read and experienced piracetam works just fine by itself. I usually take a teaspoon full in the morning (~2.5grams) and another one in the evening. 5 grams a day is a little high, most people don't take that much, but I find that it works best in higher doses. I will also use aniracetam on top of it, but I am not sure if it really helps or not.

It does have a feel...it feels like the mind is cleared, the body is slightly energized. It makes me feel like I did when I was a kid, good, energized, alive. I really like the stuff. My memory has improved and I feel better in general.

When I first started it I started at a teaspoon 2x a day and found that I became quite jittery and feeling like I had drank too much coffee all day. I stopped for a week and resumed my regimen. That side effect has never happened again.
 
If indeed piracetam increases serotonergic activity, you would expect it to diminish the effectivity of DMT. If with a combo of piracetam, DMT and harmalin, you feel unpleasant effects i would think it would come from the interaction with harmalin and not DMT.
In the tripreport is spoken of less visual activity. I've read that 5Methoxy.. also has less visual activity and many people on this forum seem to find it scary stuff.
Maybe when you have a mind, somewhere halfway in hyperspace but there's no visual 'affirmation' you would automaticcaly tend to internalize the state of mind you're in even more, so the mind starts running like an unstopable machine.
 
thanks for the replys guys.

In particular it is good to know from acolon_5 has not had any problems when using Piracetam. Have you had piracetam on the same day as drinking aya?

SWIM has just walked back down the hill on his property after a pleasant sub-breakthrough journey... No mental side effects from piracetam what so-ever! :) If anything the effects seems to be lasting a little longer than usual. SWIM did feel a tiny bit nauseous but hasnt eaten anything yet today...

although SWIM has not had his dose of piracetam yet today. SWIM thinks he will skip it for today and prepare a little aya journey for tonight... SWIM has been taking 2-3 large teaspoons of piracetam per day (sometimes more) so I should maybe have a little bit of piracetam left in my system to conduct the experiment.

SWIM is going to get some eggs and prepare a brew similar to what the traveler used in his last report.

ill post late tonight or tomorrow to confirm if there are any interactions with harmaline and piracetam

either way I think I will have an interesting experience to report.

😉
 
timeloop said:
thanks for the replys guys.

In particular it is good to know from acolon_5 has not had any problems when using Piracetam. Have you had piracetam on the same day as drinking aya?

SWIM has just walked back down the hill on his property after a pleasant sub-breakthrough journey... No mental side effects from piracetam what so-ever! :) If anything the effects seems to be lasting a little longer than usual. SWIM did feel a tiny bit nauseous but hasnt eaten anything yet today...

although SWIM has not had his dose of piracetam yet today. SWIM thinks he will skip it for today and prepare a little aya journey for tonight... SWIM has been taking 2-3 large teaspoons of piracetam per day (sometimes more) so I should maybe have a little bit of piracetam left in my system to conduct the experiment.

SWIM is going to get some eggs and prepare a brew similar to what the traveler used in his last report.

ill post late tonight or tomorrow to confirm if there are any interactions with harmaline and piracetam

either way I think I will have an interesting experience to report.

😉
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Piracetam usually takes a week or two to really start working (and at ;east a few days after stopping), although some effects can be felt immediately. I have taken up to the day before an aya ceremony but I stay away from pretty much all pharma's the day of.

I have noticed that it strongly potentiates and extends the duration of all the phens, including MDXX, BK-MDXX (not sure if this is technically a phen), mescaline, and the 2C-x series.

I'm glad you didn't have the quoted effects!
 
I take Piracetam to help protect my brain and to help memory retention. I probably don't NEED it, but it has shown to help protect the brain, help cognative functions, and it does have the added benefit of potentiating phenethylamines. There is over 30 years of research on it. It is extremely safe, in fact I'm not sure if an LD50 has even been found. There are little to no side effects and the stuff is dirt cheap and OTC.

I take MDXX/bk-MDxx as a way to stregnthen my relationship with my wife. I take mescaline for enlightenment and occasionally fun. I take 2C's as a way to work through issues, both personally and with my relationship with the wife. 2C's are GREAT for therapies.

DMT as usualy is in a class all by itself. It is fun, in the same way Lewis and Clark's expedition into the unknown of America's wilderness was fun, but more than anything it is a learning experience. It cannot help with relationship issues (or has not to date), it is not in and of itself useful for therapy (at least not vaporized, Ayahuasca is another story altogether).
 
ahh ok.. seems like some nice stuff.

do you use ayahuasca to heal acolon? i've read that for healing one requires lower little over threshold doses of it..
 
lorax said:
ahh ok.. seems like some nice stuff.

do you use ayahuasca to heal acolon? i've read that for healing one requires lower little over threshold doses of it..
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I believe you have read wrong. A good strong dose of aya will certianly bring healing if that is what ones intentions are.

The strongest healing I have had was on a strong dose. Light doses just won't do it for me.
 
piracetam is the original nootropic ("smart drug" ). scientists still can't agree on the exact functions, and has been replaced by other more potent compounds..but that doesn't stop europeans from taking it.
The US market isn't hip to it because everyone is more concerned about maintaining an erection, SSRI-type antidepressents, or fat-burners.

the electronic underground has known about it for almost 20 years, as a form of harm-reduction (a sort of day-after pill).
 
benzyme said:
piracetam is the original nootropic ("smart drug" ). scientists still can't agree on the exact functions, and has been replaced by other more potent compounds..but that doesn't stop europeans from taking it.
The US market isn't hip to it because everyone is more concerned about maintaining an erection, SSRI-type antidepressents, or fat-burners.

the electronic underground has known about it for almost 20 years, as a form of harm-reduction (a sort of day-after pill).
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Quite true! Not only does it legthen a MDxx/bk-MDxx experience, it drastically reduces the day after dopamine/5-ht depletion symptoms.

There are other stronger ones, but they have been tested less, and have less research behind them.

I'd rather take something that helps my mental ability and possibly stregnthens the brain rather than something that has been proven to damage 5-HT receptors (SSRI's). If America cared more about their mental health rather than the hardness of their members I think America would be much better off...sigh
 
If you take SSRI's, you often need something like viagra too.
In am idealized 'dog-eat-dog' society like america, apparently many people find they need something to be able to compeed or live up to society's expectations. When children are massively fed with amphetamine-like substances to keep them nice and calm....you know there's something wrong.
 
well i dont know about the rest of you..but i have found that any sort of MAOI completely keeps me from getting a hard on...sorry if that bothers anybody..but every time i use any sort of maoi..whether it be pure thh harmine harmline...rue seeds..caapi..whatever...my love life is SHOT...gone...
 
ok guys I tried some aya last week and although I had an enjoyable experience It was not very strong. I had 3 grams of syrian rue with 100mg yellow spice capped half an hour after the rue dose. I did end up using 2 egg whites to de-tannin the rue and may have ended up capturing some of the MAOIs in the process.

My whole experience lasted approx 2.5 hours with about a half an hour peak... the visuals were not very colourfull and the only memorable interaction I can recall was a statuesque male rainbow entity floating towards me for about 5 seconds. There was however some interesting occurances after I had mostly returned to baseline and come back inside. Once I had relaxed back in the loungroom, my dog started acting very strangely. He is usually a VERY quite animal and very rarely barks at anything. At one point he was intently staring at something in the room and following it around. He even barked at it a couple of times. He would stare for long periods at the wall in my loungeroom and was obviously distressed. My partner and I watched him for a while and it became aware that he could see some kind on entity that we could not. We decided to clear the room and lit some sage and tried to work out what was going on... once we had started clearing the room our dog was fixated on the sage stick and could not take his eyes off it. Once we had finished he calmed down immediately and went to sleep...

Im really not sure what to make of it...

anyway...

back to piracetam interactions; I am going to be having my usual morning dose of piracetam tomorrow and then with follow it will a 50mg dmt dose a couple of hours later. I think this experiment will give us an accurate insight into any kind of negative effect that may be possible. I have been partaking in this batch of spice a few times over the weekend and have become quite familiar with the effects... as such I should be able to notice any quantifiable effects of combining piracetam and this batch of spice.

ill report back soon :)
 
timeloop said:
ok guys I tried some aya last week and although I had an enjoyable experience It was not very strong. I had 3 grams of syrian rue with 100mg yellow spice capped half an hour after the rue dose. I did end up using 2 egg whites to de-tannin the rue and may have ended up capturing some of the MAOIs in the process.

My whole experience lasted approx 2.5 hours with about a half an hour peak... the visuals were not very colourfull and the only memorable interaction I can recall was a statuesque male rainbow entity floating towards me for about 5 seconds. There was however some interesting occurances after I had mostly returned to baseline and come back inside. Once I had relaxed back in the loungroom, my dog started acting very strangely. He is usually a VERY quite animal and very rarely barks at anything. At one point he was intently staring at something in the room and following it around. He even barked at it a couple of times. He would stare for long periods at the wall in my loungeroom and was obviously distressed. My partner and I watched him for a while and it became aware that he could see some kind on entity that we could not. We decided to clear the room and lit some sage and tried to work out what was going on... once we had started clearing the room our dog was fixated on the sage stick and could not take his eyes off it. Once we had finished he calmed down immediately and went to sleep...

Im really not sure what to make of it...

anyway...

back to piracetam interactions; I am going to be having my usual morning dose of piracetam tomorrow and then with follow it will a 50mg dmt dose a couple of hours later. I think this experiment will give us an accurate insight into any kind of negative effect that may be possible. I have been partaking in this batch of spice a few times over the weekend and have become quite familiar with the effects... as such I should be able to notice any quantifiable effects of combining piracetam and this batch of spice.

ill report back soon :)
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I usually need 250+mgs of spice to get a medium stregnth pharma"huasca" adventure no matter what MAOI plant source I use or how much of it in ingest.

Egg white filtration shouldn't pull out much if any of the alkaloids, I doubt it was that. 2.5 hours sounds like full MAO inhibition to me. Try upping the dosage of spice, some people have full blown adventures on only 40mgs others need hundreds of mgs. I don't get any visuals all under 80mgs.

If you have been on piracetam over 1gram daily you should have full piracetam effects. Let us know how it works out for you.
 
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