DMT and Precognition/Premonitions

[Sabnock]

Straight up folks, what is your opinion on the matter of precognition/premonitions? And moreso, what's your opinion on a premonition and DMT connection?

To put it as simple and plain as possible, i've had two premonitions that have come to pass so far in my life. I have Aspergers Syndrome (not diagnosed, but it fits me so well), and from birth there was always something different about me compared to others, that my parents were originally told was just ADHD but ADHD to me always seemed like more of a label than a condition and it wasn't until i looked into Aspergers that i realized "holy shit, this is so me!".

Anyways, so i had my first premonition back in 07' when i was 17. I went to sleep one night, woke up the next morning after having an odd dream. The dream was unclear to me at the time but ultimately it showed me in a hospital, i saw myself in a hospital bed, saw myself walking down the hallway with an iv stand and a doctor's assistant, trying to regain some strength in my legs and other things that i can't remember at this time, but when i woke up from this dream i told my mother and her friend about the dream. 2 months later i was admitted to hospital with the diagnosis of Salmonella Sepsis and i was like SO close to dying the doctors didn't expect me to make it. But i made it, and when discharged it dawned on me about that dream and i was like "Mama, remember that dream i told you about where i was in the hospital?" and it just clicked. I thought it was just pure luck or coincidence, never to happen again...

Fast-forward to last year, around November/early December, i take Ayahuasca one night, start thinking about how i wanted my dad to really take some Ayahuasca to regain his mind, humanity and just to experience this shit, and i started thinking about how i knew he didn't have much longer left (i was thinking like a decade) and then i had a vision that showed me and my mom, my mom was crying and my dad was on a hospital bed, dead. I remember viewing his face/body kinda like i was floating above him, and i zoomed in on his face, his dead face, freshly shaved head (which i literally shaved his head myself about a week or two prior to his death), his chin flab (as his head was like pressed towards his chest) and when the vision was over i had a sense come over me like i REALLY just saw a vision, my father's death, and i TRULY thought it would be like a decade down the road when he died, but nope, on January 24th he died a few hours after me, my brother and my mom left his hospital room, for which he was admitted for MRSA and was septic. On the way up to the hospital, merely hours before he died, that vision replayed itself over and over in my head, and in the vision it looked like his hospital bed was on the left side of the room and i kept thinking "please, please, please don't let his hospital bed be on the left side of the room" and i even expressed relief to my mom and brother when i walked into his room the first time and saw that the bed was on the right side of the room.... But basically what that means is, while certain details in the vision differed from reality, the general theme of the vision ACTUALLY happened.

Now, i'm of course not saying i can tell the future, or anything like that, but once is luck, twice is VERY interesting... Maybe these premonitions will only come to me as personal warnings of sort, like when something really bad or difficult is about to happen, but it's only happened twice, so far. And so, this brings up quite a few questions for me, like what the fuck is this all about, what does it mean, can i access this "premonition-receiving" state willingly, and probably most importantly seeing as how my first premonition was in a dream and second one was on Ayahuasca, does that mean that DMT very possibly could be somehow related to dreams/dreaming/the dream state? And also does that mean this is something i could potentially tap into while on Ayahuasca or even without it? And lastly, does this mean that the visions people can get from Ayahuasca, COULD indeed be real or of significance or of great importance?

And i just wanna clarify for those skeptical minds, that no my subconscious mind was not picking up on things at the time i received the premonitions, meaning there were really no health issues going on with me or my father at the times i received the premonitions, so there was no current or existing pattern that my mind could have picked up on to manifest such premonitions/visions. As for the subconscious mind though, it certainly DID pick up on SOMETHING that turned out to be REAL futuristic events, occurring approximately about 2 months before the events took place.

I'm looking for answers folks, so please respond, help me find some answers here, if there's some potential i could tap into, i'd like to know how exactly to confront something like this.

Thanks

 

[universecannon]

I've tried to investigate this for many years now and have documented countless apparent instances of it, and similar phenomenon, in my life... but I still haven't found any hard answers. The ride is fun and interesting enough though even without coming to conclusions, as fun as it is to try and understand it. They do seem to happen more often while journeying, or at times in life when your journeying a lot, but it depends on what else is going on in your life/mind. As john lilly said, the more attention you pay to the cosmic coincidence control center, the more attention it pays to you. As you gaze at the abyss the abyss gazes back. I think its sort of like a feedback loop that feeds itself, once you get in the flow of it it can snowball at times and 'ordinary' reality becomes extremely bizarre. Jung is a good example of this, if you read his later work and memoir.

Back when i was taking harmalas daily and drinking aya once a week it was happening daily in one form or another. Things like that still happen pretty regularly but I don't journey as much now because of work and my living situation. It can get weird fast though. Sometimes it would be a trivial thing, other times more profound. At one point i even had visions of the tsumani in japan hours before it hit, or like you a dream of a person close by dying just before they died. I could write dozens of pages on these experiences but i think you already know what i mean. If you read books like wizard of the upper amazon you can see that the ayahuasca folk take this for granted and to them its common knowledge that these plant teachers allow access to non-local information to help the group, which is why they'd go to the medicine man to learn who stole the chicken, where the game are, and so on.

I'd recommend keeping a dream journal if you don't already, since it really opens up a whole other world. I'm always surprised how much we forget. Its like a whole other life we remember only 5% of... A lot of it seems connected with dreams for me, and i remember some from my early teen years as well, but it can happen while awake to. I'm skeptical and know the power of the subconscious in picking up clues our conscious mind doesn't register, but there is no denying the large body of experiential data on it and many defy conventional explanations IMO. And i think there is hard evidence on non-local functions of consciousness as well, just look at the PEAR research at princeton for example.

 

[anonenium]

Personally, i would put this idea out of yoru head, their is nothing more dangerous than second guessing your behavior based upon intangable evidence.

dont get me wrong, sometimes you mind will pick up stray bits of information long time before you can form a conclusive pattern, but these only at best represent possibilities, not curtienties and not something you should either seek out or try despiritly to avoid. you may say their was no pattern before hand, and your right, but the pattern was itself overlayed after the events took place, and thus you took a vague notion and then convinced yourself, much like a person when trying to reach apiece of a fruit and when unable to get it starts saying it porbably wouldnt have tasted that good anyway, your taking a vivid but essentially meaningless dream and thus are trying to ascribe purpose to it because of how deeply it unsettled you/bore notions to an actual event.

my advise to you is if your serious to start keeping a dream journal and write this stuff down with the dates, but dont then go running off trying to find some world even it could be interprited as, rather just go about you live and if something comes to you that brings back the memory of the dream, just keep details of it.

their is nothing to tap into, their are no answers, your not going to learn anything about anything other than yourself by doing this, and although those insights into your own being will be meaningful, until you learn self control of yourself, your not going to be able to use your faculties in any meaningful way, and even once you do, its still going to be towards insights into yourself.

you do not have foresight or premonitions or telepathy, just an over active imagination which is noticing patterns (thats a good thing) and then is trying to ascribe meaning to them under a pretense which is very complicated to discribe, but essential boils down to either you thinking your perception shapes reality or that your facet of perception is the culet of reality.

just enjoy the patterns, but please i beg of you do not ascribe undue meaning to the intangable once you have the benefit of hindsight.

 

[Sabnock]

Well for one, a dream journal for me would be practically impossible, seeing as how my sleep is so fucked up and has been ever since i was just a kid. I don't necessarily dream much, but i do very frequently act out in my sleep, talk and scream in my sleep and can't get comfortable half the time and keep waking up every so often.

Secondly though, allow me to say this. The dream i had when i was 17 about me being in the hospital, it wasn't an average dream, it had a sense of urgency, i woke up sweating and it was something i felt had some sort of significance but couldn't think of what it could have possibly meant at the time, until after i wound up in the hospital with a severe life-threatening illness that almost killed me. And the Ayahuasca vision i had recently about my father laying there dead on a hospital bed, was a vision that practically felt the same way, like it had some significance to it and just so everyone is clear here, i do not generally get visuals or visions on Ayahuasca, Ayahuasca has always been more about feeling for me.

So to make this very clear here, these two things i experienced WERE and ARE premonitions, they have to be, because there's no other way for this to be possible. I have a very, bad, imagination, i can't imagine things for shit, always been that way. I could never close my eyes and visualize things, ffs i couldn't even ever have phone sex because i couldn't "use my imagination". I have Aspergers and for some odd reason, Ayahuasca reacts differently in me than i think it does for most other people. So when i say the premonition in the dream i had when i was 17 and the premonition in the vision i had on Ayahuasca just a few months ago, had a seriousness to it and that these two premonitions are unlike anything else i've ever encountered in my life.... i mean it, i experienced premonitions.

I'm open to other interpretations and people's opinions, but i know what i saw, i know the circumstances surrounding these events and i know that there was NO way in hell of knowing these events would happen had i not had the premonitions... Had i not had the premonitions, these events would be nothing more than just life events, but they're not just life events, they're life events that i saw approximately about 2 months in advance, BOTH times. I'm not going to say there's a way to "tell the future", but i am def. not going to say these weren't premonitions, they were, i know they were, it's of course subjective and i don't expect anyone at all to believe me but i know what i saw, i know what i've experienced, and i know enough to fully say it REALLY DID stand out, these premonitions REALLY DID stand out and it's the ONLY experiences i've encountered like this.

I should also make note that when i was 17 and had the first premonition in a dream, i had previously been on multiple medications like stimulants/non-stimulants, anti-depressants and anti-psychotics (which i am REALLY pissed off about now that i'm a grown adult but society convinced my parents i was "disabled" and needed that crap medicine), and not once had i ever done any Psychedelics until i took Ayahuasca in 2012 a few days before my 22nd birthday. I did smoke Cannabis occasionally during my teen years, and drank some booze every now and then, typical teen stuff, but not once took or even had access to, any form of Psychedelic. So that's just to make clear that i seriously do not have much insight into the "mysteries of the mind", all i know is that i had 2 premonitions, nothing else like em' before ever in my life, 2 events, full on, shit's real in my opinion.

 

[universecannon]

Anonenium, I agree that there is good reason not to take anything too seriously, especially this sort of thing, and that confirmation bias etc can often be involved, that ascribing meaning can be a dangerous thing which should at times be avoided, and so on; these are good points and i'm glad your making them.

I'm not sure why your so certain though that its absolutely not possible to even consider it could happen altogether. I get why many people assume its not 'real', and it mostly revolves around the fact that they haven't experienced it much and/or forgot about such instances in their lives. There's nothing wrong with that however i'd be reluctant to assume that you have it all figured out- regardless of whatever position on it you like to lean towards. We simply don't know for sure at this point 100% either way.

 

[Sabnock]

Btw, now that i look it up, apparently Precognition would be the more "appropriate" terminology.

 

[universecannon]

Your probably right...there seems to be a lot of terms for carefully defining this sort of thing.

anonenium, just to clarify (since we talked in the chat a bit) i don't claim to think that i have CAUSED these events to happen by seeing them beforehand, and i'm certain neither is sabnock.

 

[anonenium]

i would be more than happy to consider it and the burden of proof rests with the person who put forward the theory.

in side my own mind im willing to entertain some strange ideas for the sake of the mental exercise, but you have to establish clear and defined boundries between the subjective and the objective.

although i do not doubt that evidence does exist of this being possible and i have had some pretty strange dreams that were reflected very much so in real life, i cannot entertain the idea that it is any more than an idea because if i were to i would completely throw the world of objective reason into disorder and i would have to allow all ideas that are also without evidence in for consideration as well.

when the evidence comes in i would love to see it, in a post i made i dont know how long ago i told a guy that if their is a way to obtain telekenesis via abstinance and kegel exercise i would be among the first to want to learn how to do this.

and yes i dont think anyone cause it, but that is one of the two ways precognition could occur, the other logical one being that a person is at the culet of a larger perception of an entire plane.

but their is the subjective and the objective, until we can study and perform the tests i cannot presume this stuff is real, because if it is then there is so much information that i have first hand experienced that it would utterly destroy my understanding of reality at this time and the obligations and responsabilities i had for being aware that terrible things could happen but did not act when i had the chance.

also it would open the door for thought crime, if you knew of something but did not act or talk, should you be charged because you could have saved a life and didnt.

the implications of this are just too enormious to comprehend and the implications for the formation of our society would utterly change if it were objectively provable.