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DMT and pregnancy
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Non approved drugs during pregnancy? :thumb_dow :thumb_dow :thumb_dow
The Traveler said:
I did not state anything other than what I observed subjectively. I never suggested this was an objective observation, or on par with a study that includes a control group. Again(for a 3rd time) I said my friend took LSD and psilocybin while pregnant, and that her daughter seems to be just fine, is smart, her teachers say she is smart and she seems to have adjusted to life like any other child would.
..or am I not allowed to relate a personal story here?
I think the point is that you said it doesn't seem to have affected the child, but there is no way of knowing whether or not that is true since you have no point of reference or a control.
I think psychedelics during pregnancy are probably not a problem, but why risk it? Until we know for sure, I can't think of a situation where someone would need to use psychedelics so badly that they could justify possibly jeopardizing the health of their child.
I think psychedelics during pregnancy are probably not a problem, but why risk it? Until we know for sure, I can't think of a situation where someone would need to use psychedelics so badly that they could justify possibly jeopardizing the health of their child.
I think we all know exactly what I meant, actually. We could argue over little semantic distractions all day, or not.
jamie said:
In other words the control group being other children in the world as a comparison to what caused Jamie to state that she seems unaffected.
What we can take from that is, psychedelics can be taken and there is the POSSIBILITY there will be zero serious defects that would cause the child to have a more difficult time in life than is considered normal.
Nathanial.Dread
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There's quite a bit of debate as to whether a fetus is 'conscious' in any way that we might recognize is. My personal hunch is that a human probably isn't really conscious until quite some time after birth, honestly.Doc Buxin said:
LSD and related ergolines are labor inducing, so, even if DMT is okay, you should probably avoid acid.
Blessings
~ND
People I know didnt use psychedelics during pregnancy for themselves - they thought it would be beneficial for their child in that state.slewb said:
This is actually a common view for many communities in South America and in religions like Santo Daime. Only study I know of seems to suggest it could actually be helpful.
I was mostly responding to your "If there are risks, they do not seem to have effected her.". It is impossible to know that since you do not know how she would have been if her mother never had smoked DMT during her pregnancy.jamie said:
The issue here is that we do not know if taking DMT during pregnancy has serious side effects or not. So until we know the best advice is to be careful and to not take DMT during pregnancy.
And the sample size of people who took DMT is still 1, so we still cannot say anything about this. Demographic studies need a lot more data.anrchy said:
Kind regards,
The Traveler
He wasn't a pediatrician, but when asked, Dr. Shulgin had an interesting answer regarding this topic:
If all goes well, there's no problem.
When something does go wrong, a psychological can of worms opens, and will fire in all directions, substances included, justified or not, fueled by uncertainty.
Only eliminating substances all together can prevent that particular line of fire.
If in a case a self or posited guild feeling is actually unjustified, it's not going anywhere. Very annoying.
When something does go wrong, a psychological can of worms opens, and will fire in all directions, substances included, justified or not, fueled by uncertainty.
Only eliminating substances all together can prevent that particular line of fire.
If in a case a self or posited guild feeling is actually unjustified, it's not going anywhere. Very annoying.
Ufostrahlen said:
Thank you for the reality check and voice of reason.
Any advice to the contrary doled out by non-physicians in here (as well as thinly veiled anecdotal stories of friends whose babies didn't end up with twelve toes as a result of using psychedelics during pregnancy) is flippantly irresponsible and has no place in this forum.
My point of view is this: If you can't curtail your drug use, skydiving, bull fighting, racecar driving, cigarette smoking or whatever for all of nine months during pregnancy, you really don't have any business making and taking care of a child.
Anyway... forewarned is forearmed - I'm gonna start swingin' the ban hammer if the nonsense continues...
Uncle Knucles said:
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kingofsnakes said:
Why not?
What other reason could possibly be more valuable than "detour[ing]" for the sake of a new person?
As Terence McKenna said, "It's pretty simple, the ethical life - it's just demanding . . . The moral life does not consist of wheat grass diet, or affirmation, or any of that. The moral life is - unless you're at Esalen - you should clothe the naked, you should feed the hungry, comfort the afflicted, bury the dead, and there are a couple others - obvious - things to be done" (emphasis added).
The opportunity to be a mother is a blessing, but part of that blessing is the sacrifice it entails. My $0.02: she will do better attending to motherly sacrifices than blasting into hyperspace--either for the first time or the fourteenth. Pregnancy itself is one of the most transcendent gifts a human can experience: this is your chance to unconditionally love a soul whose physical form you co-created, a person who will demand you to ceaselessly cultivate your virtues. I could forgo anything, including my life, to safeguard the health of my children (that includes avoiding unnecessary risks, especially during particularly vulnerable times like gestation).
Uncle Knucles said:
Well said.
As a father, I am appalled that (1) people are even considering this, and that (2) others are not-so-subtly sanctioning such acts. :thumb_dow
Hiyo Quicksilver
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The timely injection of reason into this thread has calmed the utter terror that struck my heart upon opening it from page 1.
For the sake of all that is good and beautiful in this world, may we please spare our children any risk to their health which we can possibly avoid? My god, the idea that some posting in this thread could condone or encourage such an act is just heartbreaking.
As a father who lost his child during a time of such pure and precious innocence, perhaps my perspective is skewed... But then again, perhaps it is not. We living beings on Earth are all of one family; Let us please care for our children with the purest of love and wisdom available to us. Please.
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@kingofsnakes:
I hope that one members' post and one government's opinion is not enough to sway you toward any action that could possibly, in any way harm the life of an innocent and uninvolved young human being. Pregnancy is a spiritual journey in and of itself gifted to womankind by creation itself. I would hope that whatever sort of hubris or extremist spirituality has overtaken you is not enough to overwhelm what sense of respect for human life you may have.
Unless this woman happens to be Reverend Mother of the Bene Gesserit, the spice has no place whatsoever in the life of a child, born or unborn. This is not a book or a fantasy... This is human life we are discussing. Please fixate your fantastical ideals somewhere far away from this woman's womb, at least until she has given birth and is well.
For the sake of all that is good and beautiful in this world, may we please spare our children any risk to their health which we can possibly avoid? My god, the idea that some posting in this thread could condone or encourage such an act is just heartbreaking.
As a father who lost his child during a time of such pure and precious innocence, perhaps my perspective is skewed... But then again, perhaps it is not. We living beings on Earth are all of one family; Let us please care for our children with the purest of love and wisdom available to us. Please.
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@kingofsnakes:
I hope that one members' post and one government's opinion is not enough to sway you toward any action that could possibly, in any way harm the life of an innocent and uninvolved young human being. Pregnancy is a spiritual journey in and of itself gifted to womankind by creation itself. I would hope that whatever sort of hubris or extremist spirituality has overtaken you is not enough to overwhelm what sense of respect for human life you may have.
Unless this woman happens to be Reverend Mother of the Bene Gesserit, the spice has no place whatsoever in the life of a child, born or unborn. This is not a book or a fantasy... This is human life we are discussing. Please fixate your fantastical ideals somewhere far away from this woman's womb, at least until she has given birth and is well.
With all due respect, the fact that her kids are intelligent doesn't detract from your friend's irresponsibility (or yours, if you choose to endorse it).
It's all well and good if any adult wants to live an alternative lifestyle, but I don't see how anyone justifies taking unnecessary chances with their unborn (or with their existing kids AND other peoples' kids by refusing to vaccinate, but that's another discussion...). None of that points to a level of Jedi enlightenment to me.
It's all well and good if any adult wants to live an alternative lifestyle, but I don't see how anyone justifies taking unnecessary chances with their unborn (or with their existing kids AND other peoples' kids by refusing to vaccinate, but that's another discussion...). None of that points to a level of Jedi enlightenment to me.
