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DMT and the mainstream

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ohayoco said:
And isn't it selfish to want to keep DMT secret? The Amazonians told Westerners about it after all, it isn't ours to keep secret. It's a gift to be passed on. It is probably this very site responsible for the recent rise in the passing-on of the gift.
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Not selfish, just the only option right now (it seems to me). My first experience made me want to run down the streets naked proclaiming the glory and awe of this wonderful substance... only to have just about everyone look at me like a loon.

As real as these "other" places seem to us, it WILL be lumped into the category "drugs" regardless of the benefits. There really is no way around it, short of a breakdown of our government.

The masses can't accept a 24 hour CURE to opiate/meth addiction (iboga). The masses can't accept the medicinal use of marijuana. The masses aren't ready for "enlightnement" or to travel outside their 9-dots. Better to drown in depressants (alcohol) and uppers (caffeine).

It isn't selfish, it's necessary.

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K
 
fractal enchantment said:
I actaully think that mass consumption of LSD was a good thing as well..I think mass consumption of these things can't do any more harm then we are already doing to ourselves..
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I agree music is always a tell of the drugs popularly used in a culture... lsd produced such amazing bands and art as well as thought... this interweb for instance...
we could see a similar change due to an influx of dmt in mainstream culture... LSD prompted recycling and eastern psychologies introduction to the west out side of mere intellectual discourse... what will DMTs influence be?
look at what spice did for the empire? :d
 
I used to listen to A LOT of underground hip hop, but a few years ago I got more into reggae, dub, afro-beat, and some different world music... recently, I've been craving some new hip hop though, but I've been out of the hip hop loop for a while, so it's cool to hear some new stuff... I'm really feeling that Bobby Ray dude! K-os is dope, fractal, I've been into him for a while...

here are some of my reccomendations...


Noah23

Blackalicious

Visionaries

Pep Love

Saul Williams

Aesop Rock

Lyrics Born and Lateef

Eligh
 
How does one advocate legalization? Church of the Holy Light of the Queen v. Mukasey seems to have established precedent. Where do we go from here?

EDIT: My bad, CHLQ v. MUKASEY rested on precedent of GONZALEZ v. UDV.
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underground is fine... over legislation is the name of the game now... at least until one gets caught one si free to do as they please... once legalization occurs, you have thousands of people with their fingers on it making a mess of things...

no decriminalization theres an idea... make it non criminal but keep it out of the laws all together...
 
good question

the science community is doing their part by conducting legitimate research, looking at dmt (and other psychs like psilocybin) as having possible therapeutic value; it's slowly becoming more accessible to researchers.

enthusiasts should become more informed, as you did by citing a relevant court case, and become involved with various groups like MAPS or some other legitimate group that favors law reform.

what doesn't help is seeing these damn youtube vids. I will flag the shit out of them until the cows come home, these people are hurting the cause. Widespread abuse is the primary reason for a compound to be put in C-I scheduling, and although dmt abuse isn't exactly widespread, seeing it on youtube certainly won't help matters.
 
benzyme said:
Paul Wall has a doctorate? in what, dentistry/orthodontics?
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yup, good guess. I'm pretty sure it's dentistry, gotta have skillz to put in grillz.

As to mainstreaming psychedelics...The 60's and 70's, the mass use of LSD, cannabis, and mushrooms, among other substances was a huge hindrance to the legalization and legitimacy of psychedelics. The widespread and blatant use of these substances struck fear into the hearts of those who would control the people they govern, as well as the uninitiated, who were fed misinformation and lies. As a result of this, despite mountains of evidence, it has been insanely hard over the past 40 years to get even the occasional study on psychedelics approved. Strassman's DMT research, Doblin's psilocybin study, and the current MAPS MDMA for PTSD study have all showed, overwhelmingly, that psychedelics have tremendous potential. Yet, we are still mired in the drug war and negative stereotypes of psychedelics as a result of federal and public fear that has been harnessed and utilized to continue to keep psychoactive substances illegal.

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benzyme said:
Widespread abuse is the primary reason for a compound to be put in C-I scheduling
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That's the reason they give, anyway. The other rationale is no medical application and no safe medical use and we all see how true that is for cannabis, MDMA, psilocybin mushrooms, dmt (especially when arguing for non-religious, medicinal use of ayahuasca) and many others. The given reasons and the real reasons do not always align.
 
the definition of abuse seems rather relative in some circles...
seems more like a values conflict...
 
I would say that the greedy slavelords making rediculous and oppresive laws, fearing the open, truth seeing minds of the public were a huge hindrance to the legalization and legitimacy of psychedelics...credit should be given where credit is due.

Can you really blame the psychedelic people of the 60's and 70's?? I bet you would be right in there with them..I know I would have been. I dont see what they really did that was so wrong..from what I can tell they decided war was bad and freedom of expression and ecstacy was good..I dont blame them.

This site and all of us might not evenbe here if it wasn't for those who went before us..I commend them..our psychedelic forefathers(and mothers:wink: )

It seems that they have won when we start blaming the oppression of this stuff on the very ones who brought it out in the open anyway(where it should be)..we have nothing to hide..people deserve to know..they deserve to have the expereince as well..no one should be denied the medicine.

If you thought you had found the gates to heaven, wouldnt you want to show others?
 
fractal enchantment said:
If you thought you had found the gates to heaven, wouldnt you want to show others?
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My motivating thought since discovery. But how do you discuss these matters openly? How do you "show others" or even bring up the topic in serious discussion?

It's like finding the keys to heaven and nobody cares.

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K
 
I know:cry: ..I have treid over and over to get my dad to eat mushrooms with me. Of all the people I want to trip with I want to trip with my dad:cry: It would be sooo amazing to share that with him.
 
a1pha said:
It's like finding the keys to heaven
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or hell

society is programmed to be consumption-driven, their ego is materialistic.
destroying that sense of identity and exposing it as illusion/farce is a frightening thing to many, something they're not willing to do.

besides, many so called straight-laced types see the psychedelic experience as drug-induced madness, and it carries a negative connotation with them.
 
^^^^^^^^ Exactly, given the fact that many people cling to their narrow perceptions of reality, psychedelics cause great distress among the straight folks. I think we can all agree that there's really no way to describe a psychedelic experience to someone with no reference points for it in a manner that they can comprehend. As a result, you get people conceptualizing all kinds of crazy shit that just doesn't happen or happens very rarely/when people do stupid shit/don't take set and setting seriously.

As to the attitude of the psychedelic era...Given the fact that open use was normal for users of psychedelics of the time, you're probably right, I most likely would've been there right along side them. However, by no means does that make such open use smart or not short-sided...I think that, yes, it is the fault of those in charge, but had those using the substances showed a little more restraint, perhaps keeping use somewhat underground, or at least not taking it to the same degree of publicity, it would have been possible to engender more favorable attitudes towards psychedelics. Granted, it's all speculation so...

Then again, Leary briefly got cannabis legalized (for what? like a year?) and the powers that be found a way to re-criminalize it, so they were gonna do what they were gonna do.
 
benzyme said:
a1pha said:
It's like finding the keys to heaven
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or hell

society is programmed to be consumption-driven, their ego is materialistic.
destroying that sense of identity and exposing it as illusion/farce is a frightening thing to many, something they're not willing to do.

besides, many so called straight-laced types see the psychedelic experience as drug-induced madness, and it carries a negative connotation with them.
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If indeed it would be a drug-induced form of madness (a delerium), than you would expect it to be harmfull.

However, peyote and ayahuasca have both proven to have beneficial health effects.

How could anything that contributes to a good physical AND mental health, be a dangerous deleriant?
An improvement in mental health cannot coincide with a delerium. That's almost a complete contradiction.
 
benzyme said:
a1pha said:
It's like finding the keys to heaven
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or hell

society is programmed to be consumption-driven, their ego is materialistic.
destroying that sense of identity and exposing it as illusion/farce is a frightening thing to many, something they're not willing to do.

besides, many so called straight-laced types see the psychedelic experience as drug-induced madness, and it carries a negative connotation with them.
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totally... and even if it is just drug induced maddness thats exactly what many of us need to knock us out of the consumer trance...
 
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