DMT and weed for a bad time

[Smoothop]

when i used to smoke it. it really didn't give me paranoia. well not as much as my final days smoking it. i remember being able to smoke a pure joint and still be right a rain. i know people that do that today and i think they are crazy.

smoking it with DMT is an experience i do not want to repeat. Freebase all the way...

 

[DisEmboDied]

I personally don't like that particular mix. Smoke ayahuasca leaves with it instead next time

 

[ZenSpice]

I feel intent plays an important role in this aspect..

I say this as I have had some fantastic times using a thought out combination and also a waring or two when simply just using (weed) without any thought surrounding the wider experience.

 

[Guyomech]

I broke my nice pipe a few months ago and took a while to replace it. During that time I smoked a few DMJs (DMT laced joints, usually around 30mg). I've had good experiences this way a number of times, but the last few were kind of disappointing. I think a lot of the spice just gets melted into the ash and wasted. And you have to seriously power down a whole joint to get the full dose, which makes for heavy brain fog. These weren't bad experiences, and I did enjoy some beautiful places, but not nearly what you'd expect from vaping 30mg. And the fog really messes with the recall.

Long story short: even for a 30 year pothead who never gets paranoid from smoking, mixing the spice with the herb is a less than ideal route of administration. Possibly even a waste of good crystal.

 

[ZenSpice]

For clarification, I do not combine them together, my comments are based on a mix of the two, consumed them in the same time frame but not "together". Nor is this something I do all the time (odd occasion, I try different combinations of intent,set,setting, precursor etc)

I get myself meditative and then smoke maybe 1/4 of the joint, then I vape desired amount, meditate (seeking OEVs) and stare into the garden and sky around me. After however long it takes for me to be aware enough I have a joint nearby, I then light up and finish it off (while continuing to ponder and look at the things around me).

I would agree that combining them into a joint is pointless (tastes rank also) and that doing it in a bong this was would be as likely disappointing (not tried that myself).

 

[ॐ]

I generally don't combine psychedelics with weed anymore. I used to love smoking a joint or 2 on mushrooms, but it really ruins the clarity and sense of physical well-being of the trip for me. I tend to get a racing heart and a good dose of paranoia for about 30-45 minutes from a big joint of some potent weed.

A while ago I ate a low dose of mushrooms, and after about an hour and a half had passed where I felt only threshold effects, I foolishly decided to vape a fairly large amount of potent haze. The effects of the mushrooms intensified immensely, and combined with the "sharpening" of the visual field that the weed provided everything suddenly looked incredibly cartoonesque. Colorful, hard thick black edges. Up to this point, everything was still positive.

Then after I went back to lie down the full effects of the thc started to take hold. My heart felt like it was going to beat out of my chest, time slowed down to a crawl, and everything went downhill fast. I felt like I was physically going to die. I recognize the feeling since I know what too much weed does to me, but this feels a magnitude heavier than I could ever have imagined. For a second I headed for the door to find help, but quickly rationalized that I had only taken weed and mushrooms, and that there was no way that I was going to die.

Nevertheless, the pounding heart was extremely alarming, and the paranoia that was gripping me made me cling to my sanity. I curled up, head in my hands, while my ego seemed to fracture into around 5 different "personalities" who shouted things at me. It was all going so fast I could barely understand what they were saying, it seemed like seperate parts of myself were hurling pure schizophrenic ravings at me. Some of them sounded manic and looney, others angry and stern.

I struggled hard to keep it together while being subjected to this, and it slowly faded away after about 45 minutes. I have had these thought loops solely on mushrooms before, and have learned to go with them without too much anxiety. It usually provides me with some insights as well, but with the added paranoia of the cannabis it made for an incredibly unhinged experience. Looking back on it I hugely underestimated the punch of the vaped weed, even on a low dose of psychedelics. By smoking you know better where to draw the line.

Even though I'm a daily pot smoker, I always stay sober and as clear-headed as possible when going into a trip nowadays. I feel better going into the experience, and during the afterglow I feel so utterly healthy and relaxed that I'd rather lie down in a state of bliss and just be aware of my body, stretching my muscles, reflecting, etc. rather than rolling a joint, which is an everyday thing for me anyway. Good times! :thumb_up:

 

[Herbaldreams]

It's interesting reading some of these posts. Up until about a month ago I smoked weed all day everyday. The first couple times I smoked dmt it was always on top of some good herb. Later on I normally did it with Passion flower.

But reading some of these posts makes me wonder how much of an effect smoking weed might have had on some of my initial dmt experiences. Like this one time I was overcome by an extreme sense of déjà vu. I realized I had already experienced everything that was happening, then thought because I noticed this anomaly time was breaking down and that I might be stuck in that moment. Nothing like that ever happened without weed.

I also several times felt the need to run around my house cleaning and organizing things for a couple minutes before I was able to sit back down and feel like now it's alright. That's a strange feeling that also hasn't happened when I didn't do it with weed.

I never considered that marijuana might be a culprit in all of this because I would normally smoke it when I did any psychedelic. Especially acid, smoke a joint while waiting for it to kick in then smoke some more after peaking.

I always just shrugged it off as that dmts some strange stuff then would normally smoke more weed afterwards.

 

[LibertyforAll]

When I got back into weed, I didn't know the true strength it can have....
Re-introduction was a 1g hit of med-grade, all at once...
It was so amazing that I spent the whole time believing it was actually laced with DMT, it took me on such a wild ride... To this day I don't know why it hit me so hard, but I was seeing in frames as I fell/lay down gasping for air...
Needless to say it was great :lol:
I had such strong visuals I didn't even understand that they were only happening because my eyes were closed hehe

 

[GMM]

I like a good spliff after my trip , with some nice food

But before i dont smoke pot , the peak is very short and the coming down much longer and very hazy/dark.
Its also hard to break trough when stoned(takes like at least 50mg while sober sometimes 35 is more then enough)

So if i wanna take off , i try to be as sober as a daily potsmoker can be:wink:

I dont smoke for at least 4 hours , or do it in the morning when i am ultra sober(no food also)

A few months ago i had my first strong hallucinations by only smoking pot.
Had taken off like 4 days before , smoked a silver haze joint, listening to some classical music with my eyes closed.
It was like a mix of dmt and thc visuals , really weird , and it lasted as long as a dmt trip.
Never had it since.

 

[synchronoise]

I think cannabis is widely misinterpreted as a mild drug. In my humble opinion it's quite the opposite.
I've been smoking it over 20 years now and have had my fair share of paranoia. I've also learned how to combat it (although not completely . . I'm only human) Work hard, learn and don't be a douche, Strive to be the best you can be, Get everything you need to do out of the way so your mind doesn't have to dwell on anything. Basically don't neglect s__t. . If you can do this your on to a winner . . .

I've noticed that when I slack or am lazy, then smoke a joint . . . I hate myself, almost to the point of psychosis. But when every-things running smoothly and I feel my worth, I can smoke until the cows come home and not feel a drop of paranoia. Don't ask me to socialize on it though, unless it's very close friends who I feel comfortable around.

I love cannabis. I love the way it looks, smells. I love how music sounds on it. It's perfect for being out in nature and listening to the wind in the trees. But I don't fancy mixing it with DMT just yet as I'm new to it. But there will probably be one of those moments where i'll say "go on then" . . then wished I'de never done it. It's inevitable

 

[Nathanial.Dread]

I generally try and avoid mixing cannabis and psychedelics at all costs, although I have, on one occasion, used them to positive effect.
I general fast for 6-12 hours before eating mushrooms, and then, of course, there are another 8 hours where I just cannot bring myself to eat.

There was one trip where, by the end of it, my blood sugar had completely crashed and, while I wasn't hungry, I knew that I had to eat.
It was towards the end of the trip, so I smoked a bowl, and voila, my ability to eat while tripping was restored.

The thing that really gets me about cannabis is that it creates this really intense sense of displacement, or of being 'somewhere else,' in a way that not a lot of other drugs do (on serotonergic psychedelics, I feel MORE present in reality, as opposed to less present). Mixing that with the strangeness of tripping seems to me to be a recipe for a serious sense of cosmic lost-ness.

Does anyone know why a common delusions associated with cannabis is that the smoker has died? It's one I've heard a lot that almost no other drug seems to produce.

Always questions
~ND

 

[Herbaldreams]

I've never thought that I had died after smoking cannabis or seen this happen to anyone I have smoked with.

On the other hand, the first time a friend of mine smoked dmt he thought he was dieing and leaving his body.

I also had an experience similar to that the first time I took a large hit of a powerful salvia extract I wasn't sure if I was dead or dreaming or what was going on.

 

[Andmoreagain]

The thing that really gets me about cannabis is that it creates this really intense sense of displacement, or of being 'somewhere else,' in a way that not a lot of other drugs do (on serotonergic psychedelics, I feel MORE present in reality, as opposed to less present). Mixing that with the strangeness of tripping seems to me to be a recipe for a serious sense of cosmic lost-ness.

This is my experience exactly. The worst mushroom trip I've ever had was entirely cannabis to blame. I wasn't even tripping that hard until I took a few hits of that blunt. Then I suddenly noticed that everything in my environment seemed a bit off. Eventually I was hearing voices and experiencing the scariest mindfuck one could ever imagine. I thought I was having a psychotic episode and that I would have to spend the rest of my life in this horrible state of fear and darkness.

A later breakthrough experience left me suffering from horrible depersonalization which I too blame on my cannabis use. I rarely touch that stuff anymore for that reason alone.

 

[Sky Motion]

LSD and weed gave me the most intense non-DMT trip of my life, add some DMT and I'm not surprised you had such an experience.

What I've come to find is that it's not necessarily how much and of what you take, although it plays a great part, but having such a psychedelic experience can be a bit like a puzzle you can unlock in many different ways, combinations of substance and mindset and setting.

Too many variables ah

 

[Kyle109]

I might be the only one then that enjoys smoking bud with elf spice..

I find it comes on smoother for me and makes the trip easier to handle. The first few times I smoked changa was pure with fully packed bowls. Was rocket blasted outta the universe and came back not knowing where i went or what happened there. This put me off it as I found it to much to take in.

After a few months without it a friend offered me a bong of changa that was mixed 50-50 with bud. I was sceptical but was tripping on acid and as the sun was coming up i thought I might feed off its energy.

The experience was beautiful for me was the first time I was able to open my eyes while tripping and wow did I see the most beautiful landscape Id ever seen In my 6-7years of tripping. As it came on abit more slowly I found I was able to understand why I was leaving and this made me okay with it. Not that usual feeling of it rushing up your spine to your brain then outta your third eye, it felt like it engulfed me in the trip.

Since then Ive only smoked it with bud as I find i am able to take everything in. If i want to have a stronger trip I use the bud as a backstop for the piece.

I do however have to usually smoke 2 or 3 bongs to get to a decent level when smoking with bud and I smoke bud constantly so I geuss that helps alot with feeling stoned:grin:

different strokes for different folks i geuss:thumb_up: