Dmt at 16

[Hank715]

Hello,

Am 16 and possess 20mg of pure NN-DMT which I received from a reliable source.

I have wanted to do dmt for almost a year now. I've done acid, shrooms and 2cb.

I feel ready, and was wondering everyone's questions on whether I should do it or wait, the environment I should do it and my dosage.

Thanks

 

[null24]

Oh god. No way is anyone going to recommend this. However, my introduction to psychedelics was at 15 with mushrooms and i spent the entire year i was sixteen on LSD. My worldview and personality was developed during that time with the help of psychedelics.

That is not necessarily a good thing. Not entirely due to the drugs but having much more to do with a personality that would do such a large quantity of drugs without much consideration of consequences, a large part of my adult life was spent struggling with addictions.

Search your own soul forthe answer you seek, not i nor anyone else here should give you a hard answer to your question as a matter of responsibility and maintaining the status quo of our tenet of harm reduction. You are much younger than the average user here, I'm 49, for example (although i scew at the opposite end).

Some people say that psychs are for young people and to some extent that can be true. Responsibly, they can be of great benefit to provide some insight at an age when you are developing your philosophical relationship with the world in a way that might allow you to see truth through the onslaught of marketing and media you are exposed to.

I don't want to imagine what it's like to be you, to be 16 I 2018. All you've ever known is war if your American, the conversations we are having right now while productive (me too, blm, ice, etc )are far more serious than the ones we had when i was young it seems. You have great responsibility in your generation to move us ahead into a future of betterment for humanity and individual wellness, a true age of enlightenment and experiential spirituality.

So, think hard, young person and whatever you choose to do now and with your life, do so with conscious deliberation.

 

[dreamer042]

Sorry, you need to be 18+ to use this website. We'll see ya in 2 years.

 

[obliguhl]

I can only speak for myself, as i have gotten interested in psychedelics at age age 16 too. I personally decided to wait what turned out to be 7 years before i tried them (DMT). In the meantime, i informed myself about the use.

 

[the_Architect]

16...?!?

You are too young for this... come back when you have obtained at least one of the following:

-Mortgage
-Student loan
-Joined the army (willing to die for your country)

 

[obliguhl]

16...?!?

You are too young for this... come back when you have obtained at least one of the following:

-Mortgage
-Student loan
-Joined the army (willing to die for your country)

I don't have a mortage, student loan and have not joined the army. Also not willing to die for any country

I'm 30+

 

[null24]

16...?!?

You are too young for this... come back when you have obtained at least one of the following:

-Mortgage
-Student loan
-Joined the army (willing to die for your country)

Wait, wha?

These are definitely NOT qualifiers forpsychedelic experience.

Might be something to take a good long look at while on them though.

Die for your country? What country is that? I surely wouldn't die for the Home of the Incarcerated, the country that perfected slavery and called it 'freedom for all'.

Nor have i been able to achieve that dream they talk about which includes that mortgage, but i do owe tens of thousands of dollars in unforgivable loans for 1.5 years of community college classes.

Oh, i think I'm starting to see your point. Yes, maybe you should have those things so you can get rid of them.

Sorry, you need to be 18+ to use this website. We'll see ya in 2 years.

Oh yeah, there's that too.

 

[antares]

From a neuro-physiological perspective, at 16 your brain development is not yet complete (in a very literal sense rather than the 'wisdom and maturity' sense that adults are fond of telling teenagers).

If I were in your shoes, I would avoid any drug that significantly alters brain function. There is no evidence to say that they don't permanently affect your brain development. It would be ethically impossible to conduct a study to prove or disprove this. On the other hand there is increasing anecdotal evidence that even even supposedly safe drugs like general anaesthetics can affect brain development in young children.

Think of the developing brain as a lump of potters clay. When wet, it can be shaped by environment, experiences and education / training. When set, it cannot be shaped as easily, but it is more resilient to bumps and knocks which would throw fresh clay completely out of shape.

My sincere advice is to wait a few more years. Enlighten yourself about all the risks and benefits in the meantime. You will not regret doing so when you look back in future.

 

[the_Architect]

I don't have a mortage, student loan and have not joined the army. Also not willing to die for any country Sad

I'm 30+ Sad

To obliguhl: nice, that means you have succesfully avoided those big 3 attractors or singularities. So you can navigate other areas of the possibility space... weave new "future" lines for yourself.
Unless you married an evil wife without a prenup...

These are definitely NOT qualifiers forpsychedelic experience.

To Null24: certainly not, I was being sarcastic, I think there are very interesting inconsistencies regarding the propper age to do certain things: for instance, in some countries you can´t drink if you are under 20´s, you can´t leave the country with both your parents authorization if you are under 21. But you can join the army at 18, or drive a car even sooner than that...
... in some countries people give ayahuasca to children at 3 and a half...
...so, maybe if you wait until you are 18, the capitalist, egodriven, left hemisphere, toxic western mindset will be already way too rooted in your head...

...or maybe not, I think it´s a nice topic for debate.

 

[Sabnock1990]

My opinion on the matter may be a controversial opinion, but i for one think teens could really benefit from Entheogens, like around 14 to 16, maybe as young as 13, depending on the circumstances. I myself, i have Autism, and was on way worse things as a pre-teen/teen, like Ritalin, Adderall, anti-psychotics, anti-depressants, mood stabilizers, blood pressure medication, plus a lot of things in the diet were/are horrible for physical and mental health, plus anti-biotics which wrecked my gut flora, so while those things are sometimes necessary, if kids/teens can take those things and eat a horrible diet, i don't think Psychedelics or even Cannabis are much of a concern, i mean yeah they're psychologically powerful, but if taken/approached in a proper, mature, safe and responsible way, i feel they would be far more beneficial than the psyche meds kids/teens are put on nowadays.

I understand the brain is still developing, but i think Entheogens can help the brain develop in a better way, and help give teens some much needed guidance and discipline and teachings/understandings.

As for pure DMT, ehhh, not so sure about that, i would say go for Aya/Pharma-huasca, or Psilohuasca, or maybe just mushrooms themselves, maybe with 3 to 4 grams of Lemon Balm in the mix for smoothness/reduced risk. I wouldn't recommend LSD personally though, i feel mushrooms and the 'huascas are the better option, to each their own though.

 

[Elrik]

I thought this topic would have been locked by now :lol:
So screw it, I'll join

...If I were in your shoes, I would avoid any drug that significantly alters brain function. There is no evidence to say that they don't permanently affect your brain development. It would be ethically impossible to conduct a study to prove or disprove this...

It sounds like you drank the anti-drugs kool-aide. Its not at all ethically impossible to study the effects of psychedelics in under-18's. For millenia traditional cultures have given psychedelics to under-18's. In modern times people 16, 12, some times even as young as 8 are allowed to take ayahuasca, peyote, san pedro, or mushrooms. Studies have been done. People who are long term users of those, including those that began in adolescence, have no decrease in intelligence, no increase in mental disorders, they have less alcoholism, less domestic violence, less suicide. Of course, this is use in a sanctioned and structured form and that may have an effect on the situation as a whole, but that just gives credence to the argument for legalization.
That psychedelics 'alter brain function' is just a drug war scare tactic. Caffeine alters brain function. Sugar alters brain function. Whole generations are being raised on antidepressants, some starting as early as infancy [no joke, babies on prozac, its real] and those actually have been shown to harm people in the long term. Psychedelics have consistently been shown to have more benefit than harm.

I'm the opposite of Null, I began using psychedelics at 13 and more than anything in my life LSD kept me from heroin addiction and/or suicide. I still had problems, I had depression and a blatantly excessive cannabis habit. Those are why I sought out psychedelics and LSD was no magic cure, but it gave me perspective and let me survive that period in my life. Things could have gotten tragic very fast if it werent for LSD broadening my perspective and letting me see something beyond depression and constant pain.

...I'm 49, for example (although i scew at the opposite end)...

You, wait, are you screwing 19 year olds or 79 year olds?

 

[antares]

I thought this topic would have been locked by now :lol:
So screw it, I'll join

...If I were in your shoes, I would avoid any drug that significantly alters brain function. There is no evidence to say that they don't permanently affect your brain development. It would be ethically impossible to conduct a study to prove or disprove this...

It sounds like you drank the anti-drugs kool-aide. Its not at all ethically impossible to study the effects of psychedelics in under-18's. For millenia traditional cultures have given psychedelics to under-18's. In modern times people 16, 12, some times even as young as 8 are allowed to take ayahuasca, peyote, san pedro, or mushrooms. Studies have been done. People who are long term users of those, including those that began in adolescence, have no decrease in intelligence, no increase in mental disorders, they have less alcoholism, less domestic violence, less suicide. Of course, this is use in a sanctioned and structured form and that may have an effect on the situation as a whole, but that just gives credence to the argument for legalization.
That psychedelics 'alter brain function' is just a drug war scare tactic. Caffeine alters brain function. Sugar alters brain function. Whole generations are being raised on antidepressants, some starting as early as infancy [no joke, babies on prozac, its real] and those actually have been shown to harm people in the long term. Psychedelics have consistently been shown to have more benefit than harm.

I'm the opposite of Null, I began using psychedelics at 13 and more than anything in my life LSD kept me from heroin addiction and/or suicide. I still had problems, I had depression and a blatantly excessive cannabis habit. Those are why I sought out psychedelics and LSD was no magic cure, but it gave me perspective and let me survive that period in my life. Things could have gotten tragic very fast if it werent for LSD broadening my perspective and letting me see something beyond depression and constant pain.

...I'm 49, for example (although i scew at the opposite end)...

You, wait, are you screwing 19 year olds or 79 year olds?

I am afraid I'll have to disagree with you Elrik. Just observing children who have had psychedelic agents at a young age to see if they are completely off the rails when they grow up does not amount to a scientific study that stands up to any scrutiny. For that to happen, you will have to compare the population exposed to psychedelic usage to another of the same age group brought up within the same community who have not had any exposure to psychedelic drugs and they must both be followed up regularly over a period of time and assessed with validated tools. I have seen no such study yet.

It is far more likely that the benefits you listed (reduced alcoholism, violence etc etc) are more to do with the culture within the communities that the children are brought up in than the agents themselves. I do accept that the use of these agents for generations within these communities probably contributed significantly to this culture.

There is no disputing the fact that psychedelics alter brain function. If they didn't, there would be no point in taking them. Please note that I did not say that they damage the brain.

As you mentioned, antidepressants, opioids and various other prescription drugs have been shown to cause harm and I agree with you that they are overused in modern society. It is quite perverse that the risks of these drugs are down played so a small but powerful section of society can make lots of money selling them while a lot of so called recreational substances are portrayed in a bad light. I blame puritan but hypocritical attitudes in America for this but that is the subject for another discussion altogether.

However, this does not make these substances completely safe for everyone all the time. Your personal experience with psychedelics at a young age might have been good but remember that there is a small but significant population who end up with problems like psychosis, PTSD, anxiety states and surfacing of latent psychiatric conditions. While this cannot be completely blamed on the agent; it cannot be denied that in this group of people, it acts like a catalyst in speeding up the process.

Teenage years are a period of very significant neurological and psychological development and in today's society, a period of immense stress. You might have benefited from your experience, but it can quite easily break someone down completely who is already on the edge. This will then be baggage they need to carry through life.

Like most others on this thread, I am advocating that the original poster uses DMT or any other substance a little bit later in life when things are more stable. IMHO, it is quite risky to use these substances for a cheap thrill like alcohol. They can kick your backside so hard if you misuse them, that you feel it for the rest of your life.

 

[Sabnock1990]

Teens are going to use drugs, and have sex, regardless of what others say, only thing that matters is that they try to be safe and responsible and know what they're getting into and how to approach things, not getting into trouble. Might it be better for teens to go for better and more beneficial drugs than the drugs teens in my day were using recreationally (synthetic cannabinoids, meth, cocaine, alcohol, tobacco, different kinds of pills especially xanax and pain killers, even huffing air duster, gasoline, nitrous and other inhalants), plus the bad diets, sugar, chemicals, pesticides/weed killers, and all that good (bad) stuff the body "needs" lol, i'd be much more worried about all that stuff for teens mental and physical health rather than some Cannabis or Entheogens. Ideally in a perfect world, teens wouldn't do drugs and would develop normally/soberly, but this is far from a perfect world, and Humans throughout the ages have used all manner of drugs, even at young ages (especially since i would imagine people didn't live too long way back when, though not due to the drugs, i don't think, lol), so it's to be expected that teens are going to get into some things, i just think Entheogens will help them make wiser decisions, help them mature faster, help guide them onto a good life path and keep them connected to the spiritual and to their inner child, possibly help them make less mistakes and bad choices, helping to raise better adults.

I'm of the opinion that we need a really good rites of passage in our society/culture, not at 18, 19 or 21 years old, but during our teen years, and imo there's no better rites of passage than one involving the use of an Entheogen.

 

[dragonrider]

One thing young people have going for them is relative lack of fear. We old people tend to call it recklessness. But here's the paradox: if we wouldn't have been through that phase ourselves, we would never have reached the point where we can distinguish reckless from brave.

Puberty is the phase of live where the darwin-awards are being handed out. Mother nature wanted it to be that way. But who are the winners and the losers? Those who never engage in anything reckless, or those who did and managed to stay alive in the process?

But anyway, we'll just have to say you're too young because of the legal issues and reputation of this site and community. That's just the way it works. I hope you'll understand.