dmt changed my body function

[venom]

Hello fellow nexians,
2 weeks ago i was having difficulties with my g/f, handling life and being the person i wanted to be.
I had some dmt and smoked around 40mg with the machine, but it barely seemed to be working... I tried smoking several times this amount but no effect came...
I became quite pissed and decided to load my machine with around 150mg of dmt.
I started to light the dmt, inhaled several times everything i could and the next moment i can recall is that i feel the dmt twisting my brain and changing the cells in my body.
A moment i felt my bladder loading and loading and all of a sudden i couldnt stop myself from pissing everything out, i had no control of this. It was so bizar and afterwards it felt like the dmt did change my body functions...
A few days later i had a ayahuasca ceremony for 3 nights and the first 2 sessions were needed to get rid of the feeling that i changed my physical body with de dmt, it actually felt like the dmt had settled itself into my dna. Luckily the 3rd night of the ayahuasca ceremony i drank 4 cups of ayahuasca and felt the ayahuasca resetting my body in the good way. My arms, my legs and every other part became alive of itself and started to shake and move. And i smiled because i knew the ayahuasca was undoing the effects of the huge amount of dmt i smoked before.
It is weird that 2 almost identical substances can have different effects on the body and mind, of course the ayahuasca included the caapi, which is the gatekeeper and healer. And the presence of a shuar shaman.
But please also let this be a lesson to the people that smoking dmt can harm your physical and spiritual body without you even knowing it. I felt it, but off course can never proove it.
The lesson i learned is really that DMT opens every dimension with possible good but possible bad spirits, maybe depending on the mindset. And can do nasty things to you if you are not prepared for it.
Ayahuasca is really a healer, the ayahuasca i drank was quite strong, a lot of people couldnt go further than 2 cups, but i decided i needed more for the healing, it gives you what you need on that moment, nothing more, nothing less, and if its difficult or hard on you, that you purge all the bad spirits out but in the end of the session you feel happy and lucky because of what mother aya gave you.

With this report i hope people understand that high doses of smoked dmt arent to be taken lightly in any way. They can hurt your body just as bad as they can show you the beauty.
And please never smoke dmt when you are in trouble with yourself, it can help you, but the opposite also. Ayahuasca is the real healer, not the dmt.

 

[christian]

What do you expect if you take such a sacred substance in such a manner. You dosed far too high, and were using it like a druggie trying to run away from his problems.

Maybe you need to stop and think before you go rushing off and putting the blame elsewhere??

 

[venom]

where did i put the blame elsewhere?
i realise i did something stupid and tried to eplain this.
Why this hostility? I was completely wrong with smoking that much, i know, and it took me 3 sessions of aya to heal me.
Do you think i like what i did, it just happened and cant reverse time... if everyone was perfect then we would live a different world dont you think

 

[○]

Just because you had a bad experience and were having many issues prior doesn't mean the boogeymen spirits are out to demolish your soul.

I'm not going to point out all the negatives your post screams because you should be able to see those for yourself. Maybe next time you will prepare your physical/mental state a little more before jumping into the deep end.

Saying that ayahuasca is the real healer and smoked dmt isnt is a silly statement. I've had hundreds of smoked sessions, as well as many pharma and ayahuasca sessions. And I'll tell you right now, both have their +'s and -'s.

One of the many things dmt does extraordinarily well is that it acts as a magnifier of your Self and/or emotions and the baggage leading up to.

I'm sorry if this post has came off as negative, but please don't speak in absolutes because of you getting spanked for not having the right intent and state of mind leading into it.

 

[christian]

Why this hostility? I was completely wrong with smoking that much, i know, and it took me 3 sessions of aya to heal me.

Sorry for sounding harsh but these things happen when taken in the wrong mindset and at extremely high dosage. It's posts like that which don't make the Nexus look good, and attract negative attention nobody needs.

Personally i don't think you should have posted it.

 

[venom]

ok my last sentence may be misunderstood easy,
but what i meant is that without the 3 aya sessions afterwards i wouldnt be able to heal this feeling, i am sure of that. For the rest i reckon my stupidity, i hoped this thread wasnt going that way...

 

[changalvia]

Everybody has to start somewhere...

Travel safe venom

 

[venom]

Why this hostility? I was completely wrong with smoking that much, i know, and it took me 3 sessions of aya to heal me.

Sorry for sounding harsh but these thins happen when taken in the wrong mindset and at extremely high dosage. It's posts like that which don't make the Nexus look good. Personally i don't think you should have posted it.

so you say this forum shouldn't talk about the dangers of stupid usage like mine.
There was a thread were someone died of smoking while being at the ocean or the sea.
Shouldnt that be posted either then?

I hope people learn about this, isnt this what this is about, or should the nexus be only the blissfull moments that we can experience...?
Btw, i had that moment when the ayahuasca healed me.

 

[changalvia]

I am just going to chime in here again. The person who passed away - quite tragic - the reason it was posted i am assuming is to warn others of the dangers involved in set and setting and doing it by yourself in an unsafe environment which can be easily overlooked as safe.

I think that post was absolutely necessary, and respect the poster for sharing.

Yours on the other hand was a warning too in a sense but it is pretty standard knowledge already (or should be) otherwise why else did you attempt at 40mg the first time.

I look forward to seeing some more posts from you in future...

 

[venom]

thank you changalvia,
i will for sure, normally i am a very a sane person in these things,
i just fucked up this one time with dmt, which i never did before
so yes its general knowledge i guess, but sometimes we all do something stupid. but if any mod thinks this isnt meant to be posted than please delete the thread, no hard feelings...

 

[christian]

so you say this forum shouldn't talk about the dangers of stupid usage like mine.
There was a thread were someone died of smoking while being at the ocean or the sea.
Shouldnt that be posted either then?

Venom, i'm saying i don't think powerful entheogens should end up getting a bad rap because they were used in an irresponsible manner. Referring to the post made by OM about the death of his friend it was really about the dangers of set and setting; I don't think DMT should have been mentioned cos it could have happened on Salvia, etc. And clearly the error was on the part of irresponsible use, not the entheogen. That should have served a warning to everyone.

Doing 40mg, then some more, then 150mg is asking for trouble, and i think when you post stuff like this it demonstrates that you should not be using such a substance if you cannot get to grips with the simplest of basics of set and setting. It's you who is to blame, not the compound, but the trouble is that someone will try and blame it on the DMT and undo all the good work which has shown it to be an ally in self development to those that use it sensibly as it should be used.

Clearly these entheogens are for serious use, and not to be messed with like toys. I hope you see where i'm coming from. :thumb_up:

 

[venom]

that was exactly what i was trying to say too christian,
i have about +10years of experience with entheogens,
i dont blame nobody but myself for this.
This wasnt meant as an egolike report, maybe you missunderstood that part.
I said clearly that it can be very helpfull and meaningfull, but that there is also a dangerous way of using it, the first time in 10 years for me.
This post was meant to say that these things should be respected, and i did not, i can not talk my behaviour good in any way, but i hope people who are new to this can read this too,
because there are pple here on the nexus that will inevitably do something stupid, and i hope i can at least warn these people with this post.
You are right, entheogens arent meant to be played with, and i am sure not everybody here knows that, pple who are completely new etc... Even i made that mistake so
I can feel that you think i am a complete idiot with that what i did, but dont you think i know that myself?

 

[christian]

I can feel that you think i am a complete idiot with that what i did, but dont you think i know that myself?

I don't think you're a complete idiot for what you did, even if you think so..

I just had a bit of an issue you posting about it. It's common knowledge that taking 150mg is a huge overdose..and i didn't think it would look good if it got noticed by the media. The nexus can suffer from such posts even if you ended up warning people. Front page headline grabbing stories spring to mind....:shock:

 

[soulfood]

Venom,

I hope you shall be taking a much needed break from this substance and looking more to your immediate social problems. One thing to know is that hallucinogenic substances won't take you very far when in a state of unrest.

I'm somewhat guilty of this. Through it all I have sent myself places which caused delusions that took months, maybe even years to get over. Believing in the medicine whilst in chaos is just believing in a result of chaos acclerated. It's all your mind.

Sorry if this sounds patronising, but it's only because I can relate and have regretted.

 

[jamie]

"But please also let this be a lesson to the people that smoking dmt can harm your physical and spiritual body without you even knowing it"

I dont buy it but w/e. Sounds to me like you smoked too much DMT and peed your pants. Anyone with lots of experience with DMT and ayahuasca will tell you that it has dieuretic effects. No big mystery there.

 

[universecannon]

that ^

dmt can definitely make you're brain feel odd for a while afterwards (plenty of hyperspace surgery reports out there ;] ). If your having a positive experience, then this is interpreted as a good thing.. If not, not; and all sorts of interpretations can arise from that rough experience..

 

[mew]

They can hurt your body just as bad as they can show you the beauty.

i find that through the intensity of the experience surrender/ self defeat is known, both are ego loss, both are healing. i dont find that dmt is a negative thing at all, for example you "learned" by doing something you "shouldnt", is that truly a bad thing?

And please never smoke dmt when you are in trouble with yourself, it can help you, but the opposite also. Ayahuasca is the real healer, not the dmt.

smoke dmt when you need help or commune with another plant spirit, i find that it offers an immediate realignment to your egoic self upon return/integration

ayahuasca is an amazing teacher/healer, there is no doubt. dmt is also an amazing teacher/healer, just in a different capacity.

i dont really jive with "bad spirits" or any of that understood manifestations of energy carrying identity for a purpose. its just energy, name it if you will, but by recognizing it as something it isnt you loose the bigger picture with each pet name. thats not to say that during the experience we dont break it down into entities and characters but in the greates of pictures are we not one consciousness

 

[venom]

Venom,

I hope you shall be taking a much needed break from this substance and looking more to your immediate social problems. One thing to know is that hallucinogenic substances won't take you very far when in a state of unrest.

I will thats a lesson learned for sure..