DMT + Cocaine

[ObsidianKnife]

.. is just asking for a hyperslap

lol

 

[Global]

Coca leaves would be more acceptable puma. Stimulants tend to cause a temporary boost in certain types of intelligence. They often increase the speed at which one can process and retain information. When dmt presents one with such vast amounts of stimuli, a stimulated brain may be more able to process, download, and retain the experience. I may experiment with low doses of coca tea, ginseng, and or phenethylamine to further examine the effects of dmt on a mildly stimulated brain.

I'm still reading through replies. It was not my intention to propagate such a heated argument.
I could have been more mindful as to how my words are perceived. Unfortunately i tend to be imprecise with my words.
Neither was it my intention to discredit those who treat DMT with the sacred respect it deserves. I hoped that my experience would
be received from a more scientific viewpoint. I felt invalidated like perhaps i was viewed as a dirty tweaker/crackhead who lacked
the proper respect for DMT. I do understand how such a pure and miraculous drug would seem tainted by stimulants. I could have better explained how the DMT actually healed us from a painful comedown, and that we were not using it simultaneously with a dangerous drug in a recreational manner. Had i anticipated such controversy i might not have created the topic. Pray i did not personally offend anyone with my aloof and imprecise
articulation

NO BUMP

I appreciate the clarification G. Unfortunately as Terence would say this system of words is one of the poorest designed forms of communication, and unfortunately this is even more true with text over the internet, so it can be difficult sometimes in selecting the right words to achieve the right tone. God knows I'm guilty of this myself...God and some pissed off Nexians :lol:

 

[Doodazzle]

I have many times noted that insulflated cocain tends to have an abortive effect on a mushroom trip. You guys never been to that party? You're all tripping, one guy pulls out a white bag...hey guys, let's do a line! 5 minutes later....hey, we're not tripping any more. wtf, these mushrooms don't last that long I guess? let's do another line!

That's ONE of the reasons I would never mix dmt and coke.

 

[ObsidianKnife]

@divineinmymind - I agree with you that there is a difference between the Spirits of the full spectrum teacher plants compared to the synthesised entheogens or extractions. Re: trickster - I think Terrence meant it in a positive light, as traditionally the trickster (coyote, etc) teaches through (benevolent) tricks.
@endlessness - I politely disagree with you where you say there's no difference between full spectrum teacher plants compared to synthesised entheogens or extractions.
@ntwhtyouknow - thanks for the mdma info, I wasn't aware.

 

[OrionRebirth]

I find that mixing DMT with anything takes away from the trip and, using this term loosely, disrespects the molecule.

Ah, so you take the a more sacred & superstitious stance towards the molecule? Fair enough.
Sometimes people can take that respect a bit to far. They almost worship DMT with religious zealousness.
I can see how these people would consider combining DMT with what is perceived to be a more 'dirty' or 'hard' drug
to be almost sacrilegious.

To me, it's all just chemicals which alter my brain in a curious fashion.
Cocaine's triple reuptake inhibition may allow the user to
understand hyperspace more rationally, thereby encoding and retaining precious
information.

Certain combinations have proven to be very useful in my voyages. Quite the opposite, they have
added much to the trip, never taken a bit of meaning away.

Focusing your energy, aligning your chakras, meditating; all those aid in the almost complete recollection of the trip. I remember all my DMT trips in complete details, even though certain details elude me until much time has passed, but they do resurface nevertheless.

Disregarding all the talk about how safe or how addictive cocaine is, there's an extremely high chance that what you are calling "coke" is some coke, plus a whole lot of nasty, god-knows-what adulterants. Mixing that with DMT can not only be unpredictably dangerous, but also surely disrespects the entire journey. Why take DMT if you're not interested in its mind-expanding, spiritual, and mystical properties, right ? If you want to get pedantic with respect to the neuroscience behind it, I don't really care about the triple-reuptake that cocaine exhibits, since I'm taking away from how the trip is supposed to be. You're not supposed to be alert or focused in your trip. Your trip is your trip, simple as that.

 

[Parshvik Chintan]

there's an extremely high chance that what you are calling "coke" is some coke, plus a whole lot of nasty, god-knows-what adulterants.

perhaps he extracted it himself? we cannot presume to know his sources
even if not, there are a variety of methods of purification (re-x et al)

but also surely disrespects the entire journey. Why take DMT if you're not interested in its mind-expanding, spiritual, and mystical properties, right ?

the synergy he is suggesting seems to be an aid in mind-expanding mystical properties.

i don't see how a molecule itself can be disrespectful.

only the behavior with which it is used.

 

[G]

Focusing your energy, aligning your chakras, meditating; all those aid in the almost complete recollection of the trip. I remember all my DMT trips in complete details, even though certain details elude me until much time has passed, but they do resurface nevertheless.

Yes, it takes time for me as well. Future trips often aid in the recollection of the past.

Disregarding all the talk about how safe or how addictive cocaine is, there's an extremely high chance that what you are calling "coke" is some coke, plus a whole lot of nasty, god-knows-what adulterants.

Certainly. Could've been cut with benzocaine or worse.

Mixing that with DMT can not only be unpredictably dangerous, but also surely disrespects the entire journey. Why take DMT if you're not interested in its mind-expanding, spiritual, and mystical properties, right ? If you want to get pedantic with respect to the neuroscience behind it, I don't really care about the triple-reuptake that cocaine exhibits,

i hear you brotha. To use refined coca in conjunction with DMT at the same time might be unwise. DMT is usually more than enough on it's own. Understand that it was not the cocaine taking away from my trypp, but rather my trypp taking away from the unpleasant comedown. At the time i deeply needed healing. I felt the call, and i answered. Simple as that. One should not make a habit of smoking DMT when feeling down, but once in a while is just fine. The experience was very forgiving of me. I did not feel like i had disrespected the experience in the slightest.

since I'm taking away from how the trip is supposed to be.
You're not supposed to be alert or focused in your trip.

I know you were referring to cocaine+dmt when you said this. But would you consider mixing DMT with LSD to be detracting from the experience at all? LSD may alter the DMT experience, but many will tell you that the combined effect is very profound. I did not mean to discredit you when i said that you took a superstitious or sacred viewpoint;
i simply feel like DMT can be respectfully combined with other substances to reach different levels of expansion.

Your trip is your trip, simple as that.

QFT. I may be comfortable with unconventional combinations, but you might not be. Neither of us is more wrong or right than the other. To each, their own.

 

[acacian]

I was offered a pipe of freebase cocaine on the weekend at a festival while on LSD.. despite the negative stigma I generally hold towards these addictive substances I really enjoyed it.. it did not make the experience any less spiritual, and I have not been left feeling shitty or wanting more since. in fact it was one of the most interesting trips I've had in a while and I did feel a profoundly different perspective on the LSD realms. Whilst I agree it might not to be the best of ideas to combine the two, I think its kind of mean how people here are shunning anyone who dares try it.. it is possible to use some of these substances responsibly when the time is right. I dont regret my experience at all..

Personally I don't think I need to combine anything else with dmt.. it is more than enough for me and I much prefer being sober for it..though sometimes in particular circumstances I may.. I have launched on MDMA and LSD for example. Both experiences beautiful and I did not feel were a disrespect to the molecule.. I think it depends on your attitude using the other substances to begin with.

 

[acacian]

the synergy he is suggesting seems to be an aid in mind-expanding mystical properties.

i don't see how a molecule itself can be disrespectful.

only the behavior with which it is used.

this.. i think it is disrespectful in itself to proclaim another persons attitude disrespectful for their choice of substance