DMT, Eternity, and God

[embracethevoid]

How about, as a model of the universe, or of reality itself in its entirety:

An eternally folding reflective punctured torus of one consciousness, no inside, no outside, no beginning no end,
bending, gyrating, enveloping, folding over itself and reflecting the reflection of itself reflecting - this multitude of reflections creating the illusion of many, of infinite consciousnesses, all containing all others but distinct unto itself...

Just a-musin'...

JBArk

This is exactly how I view the universe.

To me, there is no doubt that the tubes/strings we see of hyperspace are real. In fact, they are more real than US because we are fleeting material beings but those light connections are permanently embedded into the fabric of spacetime.

Existence is a book that gets written moment to moment, each chapter is a book unto itself, each word is a chapter unto itself. It is important to read the whole damn book, don't get lost in one chapter or word because any change in energy you produce is a new sentence in the book and that branches off into complexity. If you are looking for the end of the book and want to know what is going on then you must start at the beginning and end at the end, it does not suffice to get immersed in a single chapter and give it a dedicated immersion only deserved by the book in its totality. A physical example of this analogy is that people spend so much time thirsting for money, and money is just another chapter in the book - this particular chapter is titled "How it is NOT done".

I believe the visions shown by DMT regarding the hypertubes are merely a way for the universe to show us its inner workings in an abstract (visual ) way that we can handle.

There is only one direction this is going in however. We are not going to rewind time despite our best efforts; the moment is always one where the universe as a whole is experiencing MORE bliss of existence than the last moment. If life started against "impossible odds" and life likes to live and life does not like death, the only possible result is that the universe will conspire to secure the existence of eternal life.

I presume this will occur when there is some kind of hyperconnectivity between every thing in existence, that is to say that somehow the entire universe wakes up as if from a deep sleep into complete awareness and synchronicity. We have eyes to observe the beauty of light's handiwork and ears to observe the vibrations of matter and hands to put them right if we hear the wrong thing.

If this is our shape, how then will it change via evolution if not for the better? Our existence in itself is proof that as the dice roll in the universe, they seem to learn how to repeatedly land on a 6.

I am not afraid of death - I was exactly as dead as a doornail before birth and none the wiser, how will it change? If one is merely part of the ebb and flow of things prior to birth then is born and allowed a hand at directing the ebb and flow of things for a determined period of time, and the ebb and flow of things always improves then surely at some point the ebb and flow of things will realise that eternal life is pretty smashing. The only thing to be afraid of are the fruits of ones own deeds.

 

[Morphane]

Very inspiring words there. I just hope there is a space beyond physical life where we can read the great book. I'd be happy reading it even if it took me forever. And I hope the spiritual equivalent of a computer harddisk crash is not possible!

 

[MooshyPeaches]

hmm yet somehow all of us can look into ourselves, we can figure out what we are apart of. I mean we can never TRULY have all understanding knowledge from this experience we are living, yet somehow we are able to contemplate and understand we are a part of this great energy and oneness....

I wonder how far we will be able to tap into our 'higher selves/god/whatever.' I don't know if its just me going crazy (BAHAHA!) but it feels like I/we are coming to a point of great change, like I can almost see through reality, feeling like im ready to burst out of this shell.

 

[damiana]

MooshyPeaches, wise words indeed. It feels to me, more and more, that I am seeping my consciousness into other things, like water seeps into its surroundings. We all are connecting our consciousness, I feel that, you are not alone. We can be crazy together. Hahaha :lol:

 

[rOm]

Mooshy, Your blue color is hard to read on this blue screen (you know the vison thing in preference).. Shame we can't read you

 

[Saidin]

embracethevoid, Mooshy, and damiana:

Wise words and good insights from all of you. Yes I feel it too, it ebbs and flows, but the energy building for a moment of great change has been ramping up for a while. I feel that we are on the verge of a large veil lifting, and that it will be impossible for many people to ignore what is going on any longer.

I too feel about ready to burst out of this shell, and looking forward to whatever lies ahead.

I like the turquoise color of Mooshy's posts, the dark blue in the signature I can't read, but the posts come out clear as a bright blue sky...

I guess its your background color rOm, mine is black so it shows up fine.

 

[gibran2]

embracethevoid, Mooshy, and damiana:

Wise words and good insights from all of you. Yes I feel it too, it ebbs and flows, but the energy building for a moment of great change has been ramping up for a while. I feel that we are on the verge of a large veil lifting, and that it will be impossible for many people to ignore what is going on any longer...

I think we all feel it. I know I do. But this is nothing new – it’s part of being human.

Human beings have felt that they were on the verge of great change for thousands of years. The tantalizing desire for change and growth, and the belief that unprecedented change is just around the corner, is what keeps us moving forward. Or at least moving.

 

[rOm]

embracethevoid, Mooshy, and damiana:

Wise words and good insights from all of you. Yes I feel it too, it ebbs and flows, but the energy building for a moment of great change has been ramping up for a while. I feel that we are on the verge of a large veil lifting, and that it will be impossible for many people to ignore what is going on any longer...

I think we all feel it. I know I do. But this is nothing new – it’s part of being human.

Human beings have felt that they were on the verge of great change for thousands of years. The tantalizing desire for change and growth, and the belief that unprecedented change is just around the corner, is what keeps us moving forward. Or at least moving.

Well said Gibran2...
We expect things to change and they change because we need them to change to don't just become obsolete...
They would become habit which form depression...
So we look forward and try to take any sign we can to interpret it so it serves our own expectations...
It's really good.

 

[damiana]

I know I don't have any real evidence here now to back this up (I'm sure the evidence is out there though), but this time I think because of globalization and pluralism, change will be certainly different and amazing, in a way never before imagined could happen. Like I said, seeping our consciousness together to form higher intelligence and what not.

 

[Eschaton]

The kind of answers and attitude from the poster above is a perfect example of what we DONT want in this forum, completely against the attitude we are trying to maintain, and for this reason he had his account suspended for 2 weeks. When he comes back we hope he will express himself more respectfully.

In the meanwhile, if you guys want to continue the discussion, please do so... Just please do not continue with insulting, fight stiring or passive agressive ironic kind of comments.

Good day to all

:lol:

I'm back.

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[pau]

an infinite donut in motion, all points on it in constant expansion and then drawn back into the center, destroyed and recreated as they are expelled on the other side in a cosmic orgasmic black hole.

So we think OUR little problems are important?!?!

Hmmm...I was just thinking this the other day. Talk about synchronicity!

 

[Virola78]

Eschaton you have a very interesting view on the psychedelic experience. Very refreshing.

edit: very very interesting indeed.
i dont have anymore time right now but im surely going to check out more of your posts :d

 

[Eschaton]

Eschaton you have a very interesting view on the psychedelic experience. Very refreshing.

edit: very very interesting indeed.
i dont have anymore time right now but im surely going to check out more of your posts :d

Thank you very much.

Please let me know what you think when you are finished.

I will be updating the site once again very soon; hopefully by July 1st.

I have many forthcoming sections that will surely be of interest to you.

Cheers.

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[Saidin]

an infinite donut in motion, all points on it in constant expansion and then drawn back into the center, destroyed and recreated as they are expelled on the other side in a cosmic orgasmic black hole.

So we think OUR little problems are important?!?!

Hmmm...I was just thinking this the other day. Talk about synchronicity!

Check out Nassim Haramein. He has some very interesting theories based upon finding a different solution to Einstien's field equations. He has some youtube videos, as well as information at his site (including his papers in which the math is beyond me) http://www.theresonanceproject.org/

Essentially he posits that there is a black hole at the center of everything...that it is a mini-black hole at the center of atoms that keeps them together, not the strong nuclear force. Coriolis effect and spin has never been sufficiently explained in the universe, in fact there is basically no accounting for it. Where does that originate? A mini-black hole is like the eye of a hurricane, the calmness at the center of everything.

 

[Eschaton]

an infinite donut in motion, all points on it in constant expansion and then drawn back into the center, destroyed and recreated as they are expelled on the other side in a cosmic orgasmic black hole.

So we think OUR little problems are important?!?!

Hmmm...I was just thinking this the other day. Talk about synchronicity!

Check out Nassim Haramein. He has some very interesting theories based upon finding a different solution to Einstien's field equations. He has some youtube videos, as well as information at his site (including his papers in which the math is beyond me) http://www.theresonanceproject.org/

Essentially he posits that there is a black hole at the center of everything...that it is a mini-black hole at the center of atoms that keeps them together, not the strong nuclear force. Coriolis effect and spin has never been sufficiently explained in the universe, in fact there is basically no accounting for it. Where does that originate? A mini-black hole is like the eye of a hurricane, the calmness at the center of everything.

Excellent; however, to expand upon this, please check out Peter Lynds work via my website; that is, of course, unless you haven't already:

http://www.wedietorememberwhatwelivetoforget.com/Lynds.html

(By the way, that graphic is awesome)

He lays out the case that black holes actually do not occur; that is, there are no singularities in Nature. However, there is a point of almost infinite mass, which we metaphorically call black holes. In "reality," they are an ineffable concept. He states that before a black hole occurs, time reverses itself because the second law of thermodynamics cannot be breached. This has far-reaching implications for the entire Universe, as his papers delineate. Essentially, every time that a singularity "should" occur, the events leading up to it reverse themselves and start all over again; so they are eternally oscillating from start to near finish. We never quite reach "the end." Just like the ouroboros serpent.

Nassim's idea's are very close to the holographic concept of the Universe; everything is everywhere and nothing is nowhere; it is all one infinitely interconnected whole, of which every point is the point.

His idea of a singularity at the center of atoms is quite close to this concept.

Great post.

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[burnt]

Didn't I already explain why this Nassim Haramein guy is a fake?

Welcome to the DMT-Nexus

I read his paper. This one:

http://www.theresonancep...arzschild_proton_a4.pdf

Its really badly written by the way as a scientific paper but thats beside the point. I know a bit about spin from nuclear magnetic resonance spectroscopy (NMR) and I think this guy is way off about spin and way off about his concept of a proton.

Lets go through a few points.

Quote:
Remarkably, a Schwarzschild condition proton as a mass ( 8.851014 gm)
approximately 38 orders of magnitude higher than the standard proton mass
(1.671024 gm ), producing a gravitational effect strong enough to confine both the
protons and the quarks.


His model can't just change claim that the mass of a proton is 38 orders of magnitude higher without explaining why experimental evidence explains what its mass is. This is a really huge glaring nonsense claim. It refutes his own theory. We know the mass of electrons and protons! If this was true the periodic table would be completely meaningless and wrong.

Furthermore how can the gravitational mass of his schwarzschild proton contain more then one proton (he uses plural there) and the quarks. The single proton (which he is describing as a "schwarzschild proton"Wink is made up of quarks so why does he speak as if they are separate entities? One is made of the others. Also hes got a spelling mistake up there.

Now lets move onto his scaling law for organized matter.

Quote:
A plot of Log Mass (gm) vs. Log Radius (cm) for objects from the Universe to a
Planck black hole. The light red line is a least squares trend line. The graph clearly
demonstrates a tendency for different scales’ masses to form and cluster along an
approximate linear progression. Although the Schwarzschild proton falls nicely on
the trend line, the standard proton is far from it.


First lets deal with the planck sized black hole at the bottom. A black hole can theoretically exist any mass higher then the planck mass. So lets assume that I guess he means a planck sized black hole of one unit of planck mass. That number is a real number. Its also a macroscopic measure of mass. One planck mass equals 0.000021767 grams. Thats 2.1767 micrograms. Thats a huge number compared with the mass of a real proton which is 1.6726231e-24 grams. That means his smallest unit of measure in his scale is massively huger then a real proton. This makes absolutely no sense. It really doesn't. It also makes no sense that his so called model of a proton the schwarschild proton is has a mass larger then 2.17 micrograms.

Also what about all the other galaxy clusters? Do they have the same size? Not all pulsars have the same size. Not all stars have the same size. This is a completely arbitrary decision of scales. Its not a law by any means.

Finally lets deal with his “anomalous” magnetic moment.

Quote:
We calculate the “anomalous” magnetic moment [5] of the proton using a simple
model where the proton is a sphere with a Compton radius of 1.321 Fermi spinning at
the speed of light, c, with a point proton charge at its equator. The magnetic moment is
given as:
2
  qrv (15)
where q is an elementary charge of 1.602176531019 Coulombs , the proton radius is
1.321 10 15 pr  meters and the velocity v  2.998108 m/ s giving a value of the
magnetic moment of such a proton of 3.172591026 Joules /Tesla .
The measured magnetic moment of the proton is1.40895 1026Joules /Tesla ,
which is only 2.25 times smaller than our calculated value. The magnetic moment
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calculated for a Schwarzschild proton model is remarkably close the measured value for
such a crude first approximation.
4. Conclusions
We have presented evidence that the proton may be considered as a
Schwarzschild entity and that such a system predicts remarkably well, even under crude
approximations....


This is absurd. Why because in quantum mechanics one can calculate the magnetic moment of a particle using the Dirac equation figured out by Paul Dirac in 1928. Using it to solve the magnetic moments of particles like electrons was done with Feynmanns QED (quantum electrodynamics) many years later but its based on Dirac's equations.

Even more important and even more revealing of the absurdity of this article is that using QED one can calculate the anamolous magnetic dipole moment of an electron to within ten parts in a billion. So his theory really offers absolutely nothing to physics in this regard either. QED is far more accurate. Its not two and a quarter times off its less then ten parts in a billion off according to the most accurate predictions and the most accurate measurements for electrons. I don't know the numbers for protons.


Anyway thats all I can muster. I hope at least someone out there can see that this guy is full of it.

Cheers.

And I'm not even a physicist. At all.

 

[Eschaton]

Didn't I already explain why this Nassim Haramein guy is a fake?

Welcome to the DMT-Nexus

And I'm not even a physicist. At all.

I don't doubt it.

He looks a bit like an egotistical fruit.

:lol:

 

[Eschaton]

The site has been updated for those of you that care.

Have a great day.

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