DMT & Evil

[tobecomeone00]

I have come across quite a few cases of people having consistently bad experiences when dealing with Dmt, or other psychadelics/entheogens. These people almost always describe over-whelming feelings of anger, sadness, hate, and darkness. They describe how everytime they seem to journey, it is full of negative energies to no end.

A friend of my brother's (who is obviously a sociopath, or borderline narccisist) told me about all of his trips the other day, and the themes of ALL of them were void of love or light. Everything this guy experienced was dark and forbidding. I want to confront something. What about Evil people? What happens when they journey? Honestly, truly believing that everyone is a beautiful and loving soul only does harm to oneself. There are sociopaths, psychopaths out there that are very experienced at hiding their true natures.

These people are all around us, our friends, our co-workers, our husbands and wives, hell, even our kids! Not everyone is Evil persay, its just definitely a higher concentration than one would think. What happens to a psychopath when he smokes freebase DMT? Is he/she confronted with beauty that they refuse/accept? Are they brought visions of hatred and darkness? Are they shown their wrongs, and made to decide to act otherwise? If there are any self-admitted sociopaths here in the forum that could help me in answering this question, I would greatly appreciate it.

No worries, its a courageous thing to accept your nature. Given all the research I have done, it seems as if the human race is at a turning point. Ignorance and Injustice will have to take the backseat to Truth and Wisdom, and the idea of Evil is something we have to confront sooner or later. Yes, we will never banish evil, for without darkness, there can be no light. But may we attempt to channel this "intense negative energy" into more productive avenues? Of course! When knots of negativity are untied, not only are WE safe from "attack", but this negative energy is also "freed" in a sense, from being "untied" and allowed to join more harmonious and complex creations. What is is order is first an acknowledgement of this evil, then the acceptance that it is a part of everyone of us. And finally, channeling it into good. Not destroying evil, but planting a seed of light within, so the darkness is overcome with the power and intention of light. Everyone break out your sunglasses! 8)

So in short, what happens when an Evil person journeys on DMT?

 

[polytrip]

Evil is a disease. Sociopaths are sick people, quite literally. They mask their suffering, their weakness and uncertainty realy well and that makes it easier for us to think they're truly evil.

I once realised that every person i ever realy, realy, realy hated passionately was, when you look at their lives a very sad person who suffered from extreme violence or intimidation. I could hardly blame them for becoming the dark characters they turned out to be.

What sociopaths experience when they take strong psychedelic's one can only speculate. Some people MAY become healed or at least start walking a path towards healing while others could become more dangerous. Some people may look at themselves and see their true nature for the first time and would want to do something about it while others experience maybe being god and being in every way high above all other human beings, wich would make them more dangerous.

Even sociopaths are not all the same, i think.

 

[joedirt]

I have come across quite a few cases of people having consistently bad experiences when dealing with Dmt, or other psychadelics/entheogens. These people almost always describe over-whelming feelings of anger, sadness, hate, and darkness. They describe how everytime they seem to journey, it is full of negative energies to no end.

A friend of my brother's (who is obviously a sociopath, or borderline narccisist) told me about all of his trips the other day, and the themes of ALL of them were void of love or light. Everything this guy experienced was dark and forbidding. I want to confront something. What about Evil people? What happens when they journey? Honestly, truly believing that everyone is a beautiful and loving soul only does harm to oneself. There are sociopaths, psychopaths out there that are very experienced at hiding their true natures.

These people are all around us, our friends, our co-workers, our husbands and wives, hell, even our kids! Not everyone is Evil persay, its just definitely a higher concentration than one would think. What happens to a psychopath when he smokes freebase DMT? Is he/she confronted with beauty that they refuse/accept? Are they brought visions of hatred and darkness? Are they shown their wrongs, and made to decide to act otherwise? If there are any self-admitted sociopaths here in the forum that could help me in answering this question, I would greatly appreciate it.

No worries, its a courageous thing to accept your nature. Given all the research I have done, it seems as if the human race is at a turning point. Ignorance and Injustice will have to take the backseat to Truth and Wisdom, and the idea of Evil is something we have to confront sooner or later. Yes, we will never banish evil, for without darkness, there can be no light. But may we attempt to channel this "intense negative energy" into more productive avenues? Of course! When knots of negativity are untied, not only are WE safe from "attack", but this negative energy is also "freed" in a sense, from being "untied" and allowed to join more harmonious and complex creations. What is is order is first an acknowledgement of this evil, then the acceptance that it is a part of everyone of us. And finally, channeling it into good. Not destroying evil, but planting a seed of light within, so the darkness is overcome with the power and intention of light. Everyone break out your sunglasses! 8)

So in short, what happens when an Evil person journeys on DMT?

Great Post!

I have found that psychedelics are a great mirror of my internal state. A year or so ago I was in a very angry place with regards to work. When I would do psychs they were very much a dark and foreboding place...they ultimately helped me work through a lot of issues, but....many people don't use these substance for self work. They use them for entertainment.

I suspect that dark people will consistently have shitty experiences with psychedelics. It makes sense right?

As for evil people? I don't know I think we all come from the same source. All people have dark and light. Some people cling more to the dark and some more to the light.

 

[autophagia]

I tend to disagree with using the good/evil dichotomy to describe anything related to the psychedelic experience. l personally know many people who I consider to be less than stellar people, even violent hurtful people, who have a deep appreciation for the beauty created by all sorts of psychedelics, including DMT. I also know people who I consider to be excellent productive amazing people, that just don't click with the psychedelic experience.

I think that to call someone an evil person is not being as careful as language allows us to be. As someone who has experience with psychedelics, I presume you are well accustomed to radical perspective shifts. Experiencing the tenuous nature of the reality I have crafted for myself, I just can't bring myself to use this dichotomy. Many people consider drugs to be unequivocally evil, while others still consider murder in the right situations to be one of the greatest goods.

I think the book of Job highlights splendidly why this dichotomy is not exactly the best one to apply to existence. We can go ahead and label god's acts evil, or we can label them just, but are we really any more informed about what happens during those events? People are the way that they are, some are going to be so radically different from you that they appear alien and maybe even evil. But to use the term evil (especially with a capital e) seems to be letting the cart get before the horse.

 

[Dr_Sister]

Sister isn't sure the "evil" is the right word. Short of being a sociopath, few people set out to be intentionally evil. But I think there are a lot of people, Sister included at times, who have darker aspects to their personalities. There are also others who are so self centered, that it doesn't even occur to them that their actions might be having a negative impact on others. Sister has also been guilty of this at different periods of her life.

So from that perspective, Sister can offer you this answer. The majority of psychedelics, bring up things Sister would just as soon not face, regrets, unrealized potential, past behavior that seems inexcusable in retrospect. This is not so much of a problem with trips at places like concerts, beautiful days in the country etc. But if Sister trips alone and gets into an introspective mood it can become very unpleasant, as she is confronted with all these issues in spades.

DMT in sharp contrast, doesn't seem to share these downsides. Sister has tripped innumerable times on the stuff and never had a bad experience, mentally. She has a couple trips where the side effects became unpleasant, but never the headspace. Sister read in someones’ post that DMT makes the ego irrelevant. This was a sentiment Sister could identify with. Whereas with many other psychedelics there can be a struggle with the ego.

 

[tobecomeone00]

Wow, great responses! I agree, maybe the term Evil is a bit much, I just meant it as the opposite of good. I see now, with the shedding of the ego, and hard-naturedness being a 3rd dimensional concept, that it is quite possible for people of negative being to experience the love that these substances bring. This is a good insight. I am sorry if I bothered anyone with a bluntly straight approach to evil, its just my opinions. It is a question I will further research, however. What a world!!!

 

[Apoc]

I have come across quite a few cases of people having consistently bad experiences when dealing with Dmt, or other psychadelics/entheogens. These people almost always describe over-whelming feelings of anger, sadness, hate, and darkness. They describe how everytime they seem to journey, it is full of negative energies to no end.

I wonder if a lot of it has to do with dosage. I think a lot of people take way more than necessary. The potential for scary sessions increases with dosage. Second, psychedelics are very introspective substances. If there is a lot of hate, anger, and sadness in a person, that's likely what they will feel. However, are you sure they are really experiencing anger and hate? Though it is common for a lot of people to fear for themselves, or feel uneasy about personal self image, I have never heard of anyone taking psychedelics and becoming angry and hateful towards others. I guess it's possible, I have just never heard of this before.

I have had experiences of hostile demonic entities that attack and torment and mock. I have also had experiences of universal suffering. However, the pain and sadness associated with psychedelics has always been inwardly focussed.... and is reliably accompanied by a sense of healing. An issue arises, and then there is a sense that the mind "works it out", and a resolution is reached. I'm a lot more likely to be much friendlier under the influence.

Perhaps there is a certain kind of person who will hate psychelics. People who are certain they know everything, people who feel they must be in control of their thoughts at all times, people who feel that the thing they call "I" is all there is to consciousness. These people might HATE psychedelics because psychedelics will make them feel like they aren't in control. As soon as that happens, fear arises. As soon as that fear arises, the effect of the psychedelic will spin that fear off in to its own world, and the trip will revolve around thoughts of fear, losing ones sense of self and losing ones mind. The mind becomes like a crystal ball of consciounsess on these things. Any thought you have, the mind takes it and spins out a reality based on those thoughts. I've done this enough times to recognize that, and work with the imagery instead of reject it. On the other hand, people who have become used to control might also come to a natural sense of internal control. Maybe they'll realize the universe has its own wisdom, and experience a healing of sorts, a healing of overactivity of a controlling nature. Maybe. I've just found these substances to have a very healing nature. They'll shine a mirror in your face and you're forced to deal with it.

If psychedelics automatically produced a "good" experience for everyone, every time, then there would be very little to learn from them. It is because of unpleasant psychological experiences that I have learned to deal with those experiences, and come to realize that the bad stuff I experience in sessions was the result of my own mind spinning itself in a negative direction. I learned to work with what the mind produces, allow to flow, allow to resolve itself, allow to do heal itself, allow life to unfold. These lessons are applied in daily life as well. I think of sessions like puzzles. When I'm in a session, I see problems arise, and I work with them. I can literally see possibilities and shapes and worlds moving within my mind. I work with the material, and when I get the right answer, that is, when something resolves itself, there is a brilliant light show which is accompanied by a epiphany regarding whatever it I just learned about myself, or how my mind works. If one doesn't know how to work with this mind stuff, there's a chance they'll just think they're just having a bad trip.

Basically, I think if people take psychedelics to escape reality, they will not like psychedelics because psychs increase self awareness by a lot.

 

[tobecomeone00]

Wow, fantastic response Apoc! I can identify with the dazzling imagery when completeing a lession. Sometimes those "airborne jellyfish" turn the mose AMAZING colors...hues of greens and orange a person could not imagine! YES!

I do have a question. Have any of you physical participated in your journeys? I always go so far, but I stay in observation mode. The second it gets WAY too real, I block it out and return...Have any of you physically (in a manner of speaking) stepped into these realms, and if so, what was your cue to come back? How did you come back? Did the drug wear off, and everything fades? What I am basically asking, is it possible to not come back? Consciousness is a POWERFUL thing, and DMT makes you realize that your whole world is created from your mind...if your mind goes, so does your life in a way. So, there's the question...any takers?