DMT Fumarate from D-Limonene - NO FASW EVAP

[Jorkest]

so here is the first picture of dmt fumarate precipitating from d-limonene

i believe this is probably the first time this has EVER been done *pats own back*

this was done with 25ml of d-limonene and about 15ml of fumaric acid saturated 99%IPA(FASipa)


at first an oily like substance precipped out this could have been from the 1% water that i didnt dry out(picture 2)...im sure if you used DRY IPA it wouldnt happen...then i put the d-limo in a new jar...and these are the crystals that precipped out


enjoy!!

 

[Oncewas]

Snowglobe Awesome work as always jork.

 

[Infundibulum]

Holy crap, that is promising! DMT fumarate is extremely slightly soluble in IPA, much less than 1mg in 1 ml of IPA

Did SWIY do the control experiment, i.e. to throw some FASI in limonene to see whether fumaric acid precipitates out? This is very important before drawing conclusions! SWIM and others have found that fumaric acid does not precipitate out when FASA is dropped in xylene and toluene. But it does drop out when FASA is added in, say, naphtha.

Please tell SWIY to do the control experiments and report back! Let's hope it's not false alarm and that those white crystals are not just fumaric acid!

 

[Jorkest]

will do Infundibulum!

 

[amor_fati]

Fun! Perhaps SWIM will give this a try for finishing up with his lye extraction. At the very least, everything should be retrievable with water if for some reason it doesn't work as expected.

Edit:
To gauge the results, maybe SWIY should do a water wash of the limonene, evaporate and see what comes out--maybe jungle spice?

 

[Jorkest]

oh infundibulum..i washed the crystals quickly with 99% IPA after i poured off the d-limo....to absorb any excess fumaric acid

but im doing the test anyway..just to make sure....anyway...the golden goo came out to be ~350mg from 25ml d-limo...and this isnt counting the crystals...and i have 400ml of d-limo from a 400g mimosa extraction...so 350 times 16 is around 5.6g...

 

[69ron]

Nice!

It's always fun to see new techs in the works! I love d-limonene. If that’s actually DMT fumarate then this a great step forward. I hope it’s not precipitated fumaric acid, which is possible.

 

[Jorkest]

ok....the d-limo and FASI has been sitting for awhile...and no crystals have formed yet at all..im gonna add some d-limo to it..to increase the percent of d-limo to IPA...but so far soo good


and i measured those crystals..they came out to 225mg

so that is just about 600mg from 25ml and i have another 200ml going through the process..and probably another 150+ml still to be pulled

 

[Touche Guevara]

Amazing to see how things progress.

 

[69ron]

How does it taste? You can tell if it's fumaric acid from the taste and texture. Fumaric acid is sour and not at all bitter, and very chalky. DMT fumarate tastes like weird bitter plastic, and isn't chalky.

Hmmm…the d-limonene is going to mess up the taste test. Everything is going to taste different that it would normally taste.

 

[Jorkest]

well i have done some tests...i have washed the crystals with 99% IPA and they are still there...i have also put FASI into d-limo...and its been sitting for a awhile and no crystals to speak of...while right next to it...are crystals growing in the dmt dlimo...i also put more d-limo in the d-limo FASI test to increase the amount of d-limo to see if that would have any effect...none so far noticed..

im pretty sure its working! and the yields are what i was expecting...

and to reuse the d-limo after FASI has been put in it...you let the d-limo and fasi sit open for awhile..and im pretty sure the IPA will evap first...and any fumaric acid should then crash out....if not the basic solution will neutrallize any fumaric acid...the best part is that i ahvent had to wait for HOURS for FASW or vinegar to evaporate...so far...with all the tests i have done...its working PERFECTLY

 

[Jorkest]

and i just did the taste test...and its not sour...its bitter...very bitter...the kind of bitter than sends chills through you...tastes like dmt to me...gross!

 

[Infundibulum]

Sweet dude, SWIM had decided to stay away from experiments, but now he cannot hold himself!:d

Edit; tell SWIY that any IPA that was used to wash the fumarates should not be thrown away! it most certainly carries actives (a bit of dmt fumarate and maybe more of the other alkaloids, whose fumarate salts have unknown solubility in IPA).

Use the wash-IPA to make more FASI!

Where is this world going to? FASA, CASA, FASW, FASI.....

 

[Jorkest]

hehehe i decided i had to test some of these beautiful crystals...so i ate 41mg with 100mg harmine 20mg harmaline 20mg caapi copy(my last pharma was absolutely insane and confusing..so i decided to stay low) and i have to say...as it starts to hit me....im LOVING it...

well Inf...we cant get stuck can we? we must move on...push forward better teks and so on...and i went from no dmt fumarate...to tons in just a short period of time...no more hours and hours evaporating tons of water....the MAJORITY of the spice comes out in the first few minutes...then the crystals start forming afterwards...so i always pour the d-limo into another jar so i can get the pretty crystals...and then collect the goo with a SMALL amount of water...and evaporate it...

so far im getting great yields

 

[ismokecrystals]

Looking good jorkest, I love seeing new teks with d-limonene.

Am I correct in assuming you did a freeze precip of the d-limonene to yield that snowglobe?

 

[Infundibulum]

This seems to be the best tek around at the moment!

The FASW evaporation was an off-putting step indeed, now the limo-FASI tek provides a single, easy step to get crystals and immediate yields!

FOR THE WIN!

 

[69ron]

This can be made into an extremely simple semi dry tech, just like the d-limonene one for cactus, only instead of using vinegar to get the mescaline acetate, you would use fumaric acid saturated IPA to get the dmt fumarate.

Here’s the steps

1) Mix powdered MHRB (or other viridis, maybe chaliponga) with calcium hydroxide and a little water.
2) Pull freebase DMT with d-limonene.
3) Add fumaric acid saturated IPA. Wait for crystals.
4) Decant.

The only problem is the first bit of goo that forms instead of crystals. Any idea how to prevent goo and get crystals instead?

Sometimes goo forms because the crystals don’t have proper time to form. So perhaps adding the FASI very slowly while mixing would prevent goo from forming?

 

[Jorkest]

that makes sense 69ron...because when i mix the d-limo and FASI...the goo precips VERY fast....but after washing it with some IPA...you can see it start to crystallize...but to get the beautiful crystals..just pour off the d-limo into another jar and wait...its beautiful!

but maybe ill try adding it bit by bit

as of right now...the goo that was collected with a tiny bit of water..has evapped nicely and is growing NICE big crystals

and WOW the effects from this batch is insane...i mixed 100mg harmine and 20mg harmaline and 20mg caapi copy with 41mg fumarates.....put it in a cap...poked a hole in the cap...and swallowed...this is also the first time capping dmt has ever worked for me....thank you psychosisdoses for the idea about the poking the hole

i was expecting a mild dose...but its been building for hours and hours

 

[69ron]

that makes sense 69ron...because when i mix the d-limo and FASI...the goo precips VERY fast....but after washing it with some IPA...you can see it start to crystallize...but to get the beautiful crystals..just pour off the d-limo into another jar and wait...its beautiful!

but maybe ill try adding it bit by bit

as of right now...the goo that was collected with a tiny bit of water..has evapped nicely and is growing NICE big crystals

That’s cool!

Fast precipitation some times leads to “oiling out”, where the compound doesn’t properly form crystals because it precipitates faster that it’s crystallization speed. Crystallization takes time, and if all the molecules suddenly drop out of solution, they can all land in a haphazard way leading to a “goo” or “oil” appearance, instead of in the proper crystal formation. SWIM as seen this happen before with DMT. Usually the compound can be made to crystallize if re-dissolved and crystallized more slowly, or simply re-dissolved in a more suitable crystallization solvent.

Water present in the IPA might make it impossible to get around the goo problem, if the “oiling out” is not really “oiling out” and is simply a deposit of alkaloids caused by the presence of water.

and WOW the effects from this batch is insane...i mixed 100mg harmine and 20mg harmaline and 20mg caapi copy with 41mg fumarates.....put it in a cap...poked a hole in the cap...and swallowed...this is also the first time capping dmt has ever worked for me....thank you psychosisdoses for the idea about the poking the hole

i was expecting a mild dose...but its been building for hours and hours

What does poking a whole do? What’s the science behind that?

 

[Jorkest]

well this is just a theory of mine...but i have tried using caps before...with similar doses and have never gotten it to work..until tonight

my idea...when taken with water...some liquid gets into the cap...and mixes the dmt and harmalas into a solution...i feel that once the harmalas are in a solution with dmt...they buffer the dmt from MAO...kinda like body guards....as the harmala gets the attention of the MAO...the dmt slips by into the blood stream...but if you just leave it closed...the harmala powder doesnt get a chance to fully surround and protect the dmt..

but anyway...its almost ~8 hours later...and im still just below peaking...ive never had a pharma dose this size ever last close to this long..and this strong...this has to be some of the most potent spice i have ever tried....

oh for your viewing pleasure..this is what happened with the goo that was reabsorbed by water..and then the small amount of water evapped...this stuff is SUPER dense...and the crystals in the d-limo are completely coating the bottom of the jar..with snow globes all on the side...more FASI is gonna be added to make sure it all precipped out


what an AWESOME NIGHT...time for BED!