Dmt inflicting wierd intense pain

[pixieee]

Hello, sorry that I didn't introduced myself yet, but something really strange happened to a friend and I'm really worried.

She smoked changa, and experienced something betwen the lines of going through a tunnel a reaching a pit stop, where these elfish entities inspected her and touched her in various places like they were trying to heal her, she reported feeling really hot in that areas. When they put theyr hand on her head she felt something like electric painnabove her teeth, and on the right side of the head,above the ear, a very intense burning pain that almost distracted her from the trip. It happened a month ago.

Yesterday, she found out a lump in that same area, it hurts, not really bad but she can feel the pain comming in waves.

She insists that the swelling was caused by that particular trip and that dmt did something bad to her. These worries were amplified after she found out that T.McKenna had brain cancer and she never wants to do dmt again.

I know at least 5 people who smoked from that particular changa without any adverse effects.

Can dmt cause harm ? Or trigger an illness to someone who is predisposed to it the same way how acid can trigger schizophrenia?

 

[Global]

Perhaps she has her cause and effect mixed up. Perhaps it's the case that those DMT entities seemed to be working on that part of her head because it was already diseased in some way. She should probably see a doctor, but I'm just playing devil's advocate here.

 

[spinCycle]

Perhaps she has her cause and effect mixed up. Perhaps it's the case that those DMT entities seemed to be working on that part of her head because it was already diseased in some way. She should probably see a doctor, but I'm just playing devil's advocate here.

Indeed, it seems unlikely that she could go from absolutely healthy to some sort of tumor or such in only 1 month. More likely she is being made aware of an already existing problem.

 

[Keeper Trout]

That really sucks for her but I think the above posts are right and the material put her in touch with something she needed to know about to be able to address. I hope she has a good outcome.

 

[Ilex]

If your friend had a brain tumor, she wouldn't be feeling it as a painful lump on her head (in fact, there are no pain receptors in the brain itself). More typical symptoms of a brain tumor would be frequent, unexplained headaches and mood/thought disturbances.

If she's worried, seeing a doctor might be a good idea. Or maybe an acupuncturist - the spot that hurts could be a pressure point relating to other body functions (you said the entities touched her in other places too).

One other thought I had, if she had some kind of past trauma to that area of her head (especially at a young age or without conscious recall of the accident) there might be unresolved pain and inflammation relating to that. The DMT trip could have brought to her awareness that something traumatic once happened, and the resulting pain and inflammation is the body's way of saying she hasn't fully healed from whatever it was. This sounds far out there, but many people using DMT or other psychedelics have gone back, even to the moment of birth, and if there is something traumatic in those early experiences it can have a strong residual effect on a person.

Wishing her and you the best!

 

[Leon Trout]

i'm gonna say that if my gf were to be having head pains i'd ask a doctor about it instead of the internet, regardless of circumstance.

it seems real unlikely that dmt caused any harm. was she taking anything else that might have had bad mojo with the maoi in the changa?. that would be my first concern. maoi doesn't always play nice with other chems...

 

[obliguhl]

I would think that it's the other way round: She discovered the lump because of her trip. She should be grateful and have it examined. Furthermore, DMT is capable of inflicting intense, bodily pain on you. It has happened to me and numerous other people. This is something you have to accept before smoking it.

 

[TheFly]

To the original poster, definitely sounds like DMT has reconnected the pain receptors to the brain. It is my theory that the pain has caused the brain to shut off those receptors as there is too much "noise" to function and DMT has opened back up these receptors and the flood gate was already over full to begine with.

Speaking from experience now: I have had a lot of tooth work done almost all my life and an electric pain in the mouth sounds like a tooth needs attending too. I would highly recommend get xray scans and tell that girl that she should mention that her mouth hurts but wants to know what the xray results are before she reveals to the dentist where they hurt and then proceed to tell the dentist where it hurts and if it matches well then the conclusion is up to you really.

To everyone else. can we blame society for making us believe that its okay to kill the messenger (metaphorically speaking). To most psychologists marijuana is observed to show that is "causes" psychosis and behavioral problems, but the research says (and my personal experience tells me) that marijuana helps bring out the issues that were dormant. So in retrospect even in the brightest of scientific minds its so easy to observe something and see it to be true and nothing more to be researched.

Cheers mates.

Take my advice with a grain of salt.

 

[Macre]

I have another possible theory, and it is just a theory. Perhaps she had a bout of bruxism that was heightened by the trip, and perhaps this could have caused an ulser or an injury to the TMJ. Like I say, this is just a possible theory, but a visit to a doctor or a dentist is advisable.

Peace

Macre

 

[anrchy]

To the original poster, definitely sounds like DMT has reconnected the pain receptors to the brain. It is my theory that the pain has caused the brain to shut off those receptors as there is too much "noise" to function and DMT has opened back up these receptors and the flood gate was already over full to begine with.

What?

 

[ChrisHoi]

Once I had a toothache that I neglected for a few months. I was able to 'meditate' the pain and headaches away, but it was always present somehow.

Then I smoked DMT and I had an experience of several elves investigating my body, like scanners. They concentrated on my toothache and I felt kind of busted.
I was expecting some kind of 'super spritual healing ritual' but instead
they raised my attention and said: 'Well boy, we can't do anything about that, you just have to go see a dentist.'

Then we all laughed and the next week I had two root canal procedures.

It just reminded me of that.
I dont't think the illness is caused by DMT, but most people already said that.
It sounds serious, though. She should see a doctor if she hasn't already.

 

[pixieee]

I would think that it's the other way round: She discovered the lump because of her trip. She should be grateful and have it examined. Furthermore, DMT is capable of inflicting intense, bodily pain on you. It has happened to me and numerous other people. This is something you have to accept before smoking it.

Thanks everyone for the quick and toughtfull answers.

Its not like she discovered it after the trip, and its not quite a lump ( I don't know the english word for it, but imagine that you hit your head hard and the next day the area swells a bit and hurts when you touch it) . That thing appeared a month later in the same spot where she felt that intense pain. During the month she didn't do any drugs, maybe mj a few times.

Why would dmt inflict bodily pain? It happenes for no reason or it magnifies a pre existing pain?

Is it possible that dmt is not for everyone? In the sense that for some people it may be harmfull. I ask this because I read reports of people who have dark trips and feel evil and possesed almost all the time when they do dmt, eventualy scaring them away.

Also, she will go to a doctor, but its not like you can tell them that hyperspace aliens hurt you.

 

[Global]

My best guess is that although the pain and the experience are correlated, I don't think that they necessarily even have to have anything to do with each other. Correlation doesn't prove causation. DMT can create pain within the experience. One time it felt like I was painfully made of pins and needles. It went away as soon as the experience died down. DMT has the potential to create ongoing emotional trauma, but I've never heard of it creating a physical ailment like that or on-going physical pain after the experience has ended. I don't think the two are related.

 

[Cephalocin]

@ OP:

There are many instances of people using DMT, Psilocin, LSD, Mescaline, and experiencing a strange pain in an isolated area while under the effects to later on find out they had some kind of ailment that they weren't aware of before. Not caused by the chemical nor experience, but rather shown to the person that there is something wrong and that they should seek a doctor/healer.

 

[anrchy]

Also, she will go to a doctor, but its not like you can tell them that hyperspace aliens hurt you.

Hyperspace aliens didnt hurt your friend. Nor would it be necessary to tell the doctors what it is she thinks happened. They would just think she is insane. Logically she would go to the doctor to have it checked out and find out what caused it. It's possible that it was an existing condition and somehow, either unconsciously or in some other way, the experience was trying to show her this. Hypothetically, it could be that the act of pain that the aliens utilized were so that your friend would understand there is something wrong in these areas already.