DMT Questions From a Newbie

[USA4ME]

Thanks for taking the time to read and possibly respond to this post. I am doing some research on DMT and have noticed there is so much information out there it would take months if not longer to sort through it all. Here are some questions which I am sure would benefit other newbies too.

1. Do you get the same effects from consuming DMT orally vs. smoking it? If consumed orally is it recommended to do a companion substance, if so which is the most popular addition.

2. I have noticed there are so many extraction teks out there, if you went with the ones that do NOT use the more harsher chemicals and went with the more natural ones like vinegar is the final product just as potent as if using the chemical teks.

3. Of both methods listed above in # 2 which are the more popular for both chemical and natural. A link would be great!

4. A friend is considering this extraction and he has access to a lab with a stir/hot plate, separation funnel, buchner funnel and a few other minor items, considering this would there be a recommended extraction tek?

5. As far as powdered M.H. bark goes, how long can it be stored and still hold its value? Can it be stored in the freezer?

6. Final question, what would the first time dosage be for both smoking and mixed with a liquid for consumption.

Again, Thanks......

 

[endlessness]

Hello

I strongly suggest you check out the FAQ since I think most, if not all, of your questions should be answered there. If there is anything you cant find answer to, feel free to come back to this thread and ask whatever is still unsolved .

Good luck!

 

[fathomlessness]

1. Do you get the same effects from consuming DMT orally vs. smoking it? If consumed orally is it recommended to do a companion substance, if so which is the most popular addition.

No, they are qualitatively different. I remember endlessness saying that with aya or MAOI the visuals are a lot slower and also allows more of a chance to process what you are experiencing. I wouldn't do a companion substance until you have hit it and know what you are doing.

2. I have noticed there are so many extraction teks out there, if you went with the ones that do NOT use the more harsher chemicals and went with the more natural ones like vinegar is the final product just as potent as if using the chemical teks.

3. Of both methods listed above in # 2 which are the more popular for both chemical and natural. A link would be great!

The harsher chemicals make it easier to yield (lye increases PH higher than sodium carb) and people have been getting better yields with it. But you can still yield with food safe teks and don't worry about contamination as lye doesn't burn at vaporization temps. Not only that but you will know if its contam because you will see the black lye sludge. and all final products have same potency as it is only the dmt molecule in the white powder and not anything else.

4. A friend is considering this extraction and he has access to a lab with a stir/hot plate, separation funnel, buchner funnel and a few other minor items, considering this would there be a recommended extraction tek?

Look at the teks and choose one either a/b or stb or fumarate, they all pretty much the same thing in each respective categories.

5. As far as powdered M.H. bark goes, how long can it be stored and still hold its value? Can it be stored in the freezer?

Some people say years to decades if stored properly away from light and air. Freezer is best for both bark and spice itself if you can afford the extra freezer space:surprised

6. Final question, what would the first time dosage be for both smoking and mixed with a liquid for consumption.

Smoke it without a mixture first, i would start with 5mg then 10 then 20 and wouldn't go above 50 untill you have done it more than a handful of times. or just gung ho it and go all guns blazing!

 

[Gardenic]

Final question, what would the first time dosage be for both smoking and mixed with a liquid for consumption.

This is very good advice - do not make the same mistake as me, and dont smoke more than 20mg at first time.
I start from 40mg in vapo and it was absolute horror:?

 

[WanderingTraveler]

I'd have to say that you could pretty easily find the answers to all your questions in the FAQ.

Honestly I would suggest smoking it for you're first experience,
and dosing is rather hard, even with a scale, its hard to decipher.

If I were you, I would probably load up just enough to cover the tip of a pen.
No more than .1 in my opinion.

 

[smokerx]

Ok this is very simple for you.

You have to read and read more about extraction teks, smoking techniques and experiences. Your questions tell me that you have no idea what you are doing. Go to Wiki and read. Also read in extraction threads.

It would be easy for us to give you some links but then you would just do as you told without trying to actually understand it. Here we are trying to educate people. You see it in every banner at the top of the page. Entheogenic University , Learn, share, expand.

Come back once you have more specific questions about a specific topic that you studied but did not get 100%

You will see once you understood it you will be able to make your own choice that is best for you by knowing what equipment and chemicals are available to you.

 

[GOD]

USA4ME

Good post . Good to see that you are calmly and undogmaticly looking at the subject and asking pertinent questions .

Do you have experience with other hallucinogens ?

I would advise you NOT to start by smokeing DMT . The effects are to strong for a first timeer and not reprasentative of the effects of other hallucinogens . With DMT its better to start with ayahuasca because it doesnt go so far and its softer . Smoking DMT is a ticket to another mental universe . For a first timer it can be overwhelming .

To make DMT work oraly one has to take a companion substance that contains a MAOI . Thats a good word to look up and start to do research on the subject . What is a MAOI and why are they needed ........ and what are the dangers .

FIRST do the research and then maybe try it if you feel its for you . NOT the other way around .

A WARNING . Drugs and ego dont mix .

As to life span . Some of the first / oldest samples collected from plants that contain DMT were tested MANY years later and were found to still contain DMT = Unless you live longer than 100 years? your plants will still be OK to use . Maybe the collecter was a guy called spruce ?

 

[pitubo]

Hi,

I see from the questions you ask that you have already done some research. Good. Why don't you go ahead and try to implement some of the answers you already found? Nobody gets it perfect the first time. As you go along, you'll find new questions and if you look, you'll find most of these questions also answered on the FAQ, the wiki and the forum. Good luck and have fun!

 

[○]

I am doing some research on DMT and have noticed there is so much information out there it would take months if not longer to sort through it all.

For many here it took that much time, some shorter, some longer. Persistence pays off. This path favors patience.
Many here, including myself, have spent MANY hours researching, learning, trial and error, to come where we're at today. Not that everyone needs to follow suit, but this is a path that is about alot more than X, Y and Z. Lot's of subtle learning along the way. Relationship/s develop with the process of extraction all the way to the actual experience of DMT.

This thorough follow-through deters many.

Everything you've asked though can be found in the Nexus WIKI, Nexus FAQ, etc. And if you want other off-shoot sort-of questions then doing a google search of '(your question) dmt nexus' will typically pull up related results in reference to what you typed.

And if your having trouble with chemistry terms/etc, google is your friend, even if you have to learn what the word 'acid' means ...got to start somehwere ... I know I did as well as everyone here.

I hope you find what your looking for.

:thumb_up:

 

[USA4ME]

Thanks for all who have responded, the FAQ have been a big help (tons of info) and are being studied and no doubt there will be some questions later. Some of the info on this site is OLD and we are just trying to get the most updated info available and maybe find from others, mistakes they have made, "recently"(trial & error) so they could be avoided in the future. We would love to see a survey done on this site as to the most preferred DMT extraction Tek and why. :? And a survey on the top 5 choices when it comes to consuming these natural substances and why.

As far as experience with other hallucinogens, mushrooms have been tried and found thoroughly enjoyable. Masculine extraction (3 different times) has been tried and has been very disappointing which had to be due to weak plant material.

Would consider doing oral DMT first but if not, smoking would be started with extremely low amounts. Since mushrooms were sooooo enjoyable, would hope some other natural substances would be the same. Definitely looking into masculine, DMT, LSA, Banisteriopsis caapi and Kramton. Any suggestion on any others (????) not interested in acid or alike.

Absolutely LOVE the euphoria feeling some of these substances could provide, hope to maybe share some experiences on here some day. Have learned a lot more about chemistry over the last 5 months and Google word search is great.

:thumb_up:

 

[DansMaTete]

Masculine extraction (3 different times) has been tried and has been very disappointing

:shock:

*DansMaTete puts on his shielded boxer short and pray for merciful*

 

[cave paintings]

:lol: :lol: :lol: ^^

Thanks Dansmatete that was funny.


Thanks for all who have responded, the FAQ have been a big help (tons of info) and are being studied and no doubt there will be some questions later. Some of the info on this site is OLD and we are just trying to get the most updated info available and maybe find from others, mistakes they have made, "recently"(trial & error) so they could be avoided in the future. We would love to see a survey done on this site as to the most preferred DMT extraction Tek and why. Confused And a survey on the top 5 choices when it comes to consuming these natural substances and why.


OP: I don't know if you'll find a survey on the most preferred tek as I think preference varies based on the respective availabilities of resources (mimosa bark vs chacruna vs phalaris vs acacia), as well as chemicals available (solvents can be tricky), and what would work best for your home situation (some people can afford to use smelly xylene & others are hiding naphtha freezes from their wives).

 

[sawman87]

Thanks for taking the time to read and possibly respond to this post. I am doing some research on DMT and have noticed there is so much information out there it would take months if not longer to sort through it all. Here are some questions which I am sure would benefit other newbies too.

1. Do you get the same effects from consuming DMT orally vs. smoking it? If consumed orally is it recommended to do a companion substance, if so which is the most popular addition.

2. I have noticed there are so many extraction teks out there, if you went with the ones that do NOT use the more harsher chemicals and went with the more natural ones like vinegar is the final product just as potent as if using the chemical teks.

3. Of both methods listed above in # 2 which are the more popular for both chemical and natural. A link would be great!

4. A friend is considering this extraction and he has access to a lab with a stir/hot plate, separation funnel, buchner funnel and a few other minor items, considering this would there be a recommended extraction tek?

5. As far as powdered M.H. bark goes, how long can it be stored and still hold its value? Can it be stored in the freezer?

6. Final question, what would the first time dosage be for both smoking and mixed with a liquid for consumption.

Again, Thanks......

hi.
as a noob myself i would definitly recomend Q21Q21's vinegar/lime/a/b extraction tek.
you will find it in the wiki...

Q21Q21's Vinegar/Lime A/B Extraction Tek - DMT-Nexus Wiki

wiki.dmt-nexus.me

i used a few teks 1st some which yielded low and others which i messed up completely. but i would say it was my technique that was failing me. i found the above tech to be the easiest to follow for myself and yeilded the best. now i have perfected that i am trying others currently.

also i REMOVED MHRB in march last year. i have kept it in a sealed non see through box in my fridge. so no air, no light, no heat. i have just last week done another extraction from it with similar yields for same amount of bark and tek used. no drop in potency noticed.

peace

 

[sawman87]

Final question, what would the first time dosage be for both smoking and mixed with a liquid for consumption.

This is very good advice - do not make the same mistake as me, and dont smoke more than 20mg at first time.
I start from 40mg in vapo and it was absolute horror:?

i also totaly agree with this. i scared myself with 35mg. this was however after trying to vape it for a while 1st but not having the proper vaping technique. i therfore asumed i needed a larger dose and then by acident i did vape correctly and got mre than what i was expecting.

 

[DeltaSpice]

You get out what you put in. There are no short cuts, no all in one quick answers.
Reading, trial n error is the best way to go.
If its meant to be then you will achieve it and be rewarded accordingly.
People here will always help you but I don't think they would hold your hand step by step.
Good luck with your endeavour :thumb_up:

PS. First dosage smoking 15 - 20 mg
MHRB powder I have stored for a couple of years in a dark cool place, its fine.

 

[USA4ME]

hi.
as a noob myself i would definitly recomend Q21Q21's vinegar/lime/a/b extraction tek.
you will find it in the wiki...

Q21Q21's Vinegar/Lime A/B Extraction Tek - DMT-Nexus Wiki

wiki.dmt-nexus.me

i used a few teks 1st some which yielded low and others which i messed up completely. but i would say it was my technique that was failing me. i found the above tech to be the easiest to follow for myself and yeilded the best. now i have perfected that i am trying others currently.

also i REMOVED MHRB in march last year. i have kept it in a sealed non see through box in my fridge. so no air, no light, no heat. i have just last week done another extraction from it with similar yields for same amount of bark and tek used. no drop in potency noticed.

peace

Are you getting the same yields with lime as opposed to Lye/sodium hydroxide?

 

[sawman87]

i am getting bigger yeilds with lime.
BUT,
i havnt put as much time into the other teks. mainly because pure sodium hydroxide is hard to find in the UK. also it is a toxic substance and not having an excellent chemistry knowledge a year ago when i started i prefered to steer away from such choices. especially as i was planning to vape this stuff into my lungs or eat it.

the tek i mentioned earlier is realy hard to mess up

 

[Orion]

USA4ME I would advise you NOT to start by smokeing DMT .

I'm not singling GOD out here, I understand that many will agree with this.

Here's why starting with DMT can be, if done correctly, a good idea.

1: You can calculate a low dosage and effects are within a reliable range of intensity for most people. For DMT Use a scale that can accurately weigh milligrams. You could even start with 5mg if you feel so inclined.

2: It lasts minutes, not hours. If you change your mind on 10mg of DMT, you aren't in for too much trouble.

3: It's easy to extract. No dealers, no business, no long periods of time and long list of supplies needed to grow something. There are local sources of DMT worldwide. Less chance of suspicious behavior and less fear of being busted for a lot of people.

Mushrooms vary in intensity greatly, even from the same batch. 4 grams might do very little and 2g can you a stern lesson. LSD might not even be LSD and the layed dosage could be anything. A decent mescaline trip requires a lot of free hours, moreso than LSD and mushrooms.

My first psychedelic experience was with vaporized DMT. The dosage was carefully calculated, low, less than a third of that required to enter hyperspace. I don't remember the exact number of milligrams because this was years ago. I watched a carpet and laughed as the 'other' was revealed to me in a manageable bite-size piece which lasted a mere 5 minutes. What better way to take a first step ? Seems very logical to me.

To nobody in particular: Do NOT do this if you can't be bothered to accurately weigh it though, and don't come blaming me if your blast off and the electro-glass Shivas turn your ass into grass for your laziness.

 

[USA4ME]

USA4ME I would advise you NOT to start by smokeing DMT .

My first psychedelic experience was with vaporized DMT. The dosage was carefully calculated, low, less than a third of that required to enter hyperspace. I don't remember the exact number of milligrams because this was years ago. I watched a carpet and laughed as the 'other' was revealed to me in a manageable bite-size piece which lasted a mere 5 minutes. What better way to take a first step ? Seems very logical to me.

So the (5mg) DMT can be smoked out of a standard vaporizer used for smoking weed?