DMT + Sleep Deprivation

[hixidom]

From the DMT + Adderall thread, RoGu3 posted:

Can you imagine being massivlely sleep deprived then smoking DMT?

This is something that I've been thinking about a lot lately, so I'm pleased that someone else mentioned it. Due to my long and irregular work hours, I am often incredibly tired while working. Being sleep deprived is very weird. If your tired enough, your waking thoughts will get interlaced with dream thoughts. A normal thought such as "Replace current Start Delay with 300fs" can come out as "Replace current bicycle with Start Delay. Fairy big cheese was 300fs before". And it only goes downhill from there until you are fully dreaming unless you catch such thoughts each time they spring up.

My main curiosity regarding the combination of DMT and sleep deprivation is whether or not it is possible to go from hyperspace straight into dreamland. I admit that I haven't smoked DMT in a while, but I recall that I always come out of it very relaxed. If I were already in the state of struggling to stay awake due to sleep deprivation, would it be possible to spontaneously fall asleep during a DMT trip? If it were, would the following dreams be more hyperspatial? This is just something I've wondered. Perhaps this is a worthy area of psychedelic exploration.

Your thoughts?

 

[RoGu3]

I'm talking staying up for 2 or 3 days then smoking DMT. Sleep deprivation gets weirder and weirder the further down the rabbit hole you go. It seems like it would make you more receptive and sensitized to the DMT realm. Then endogenous DMT release could be at play here if deprived long enough? Idk thats a different subject maybe. I can't post anything from experience :/ but I too am curious about this

 

[jamie]

I have stayed up all night and then smoked DMT..it was not very pleasant. Sleep deprivation is a sketchy ass way to trip in my experience. It works but it is weird and makes me feel uncomfortable and strung out to say the least. To each their own I guess. I would rather spend the night sleeping and lucid dreaming(its much deeper than sleep dep) than staying up for days trying to trip when I can just eat some melatonin or harmalas and then smoke DMT.

Some people claim we are able to finction better with like only 3 hours sleep or no sleep at all. Certainly not true for me though. I feel like complete crap when I am sleep deprived and tend to get a cold or something if I miss too much sleep.

 

[universecannon]

I have a lot of experience mixing psychedelics with sleep deprivation but I don't bring it up much because, understandably, it sounds like complete nonsense at first and people are hostile to the idea when they don't know the context behind it...or the reasons why sleep deprivation has been considered an extremely powerful shamanic technique for thousands of years all over the world. There are obvious risks if not done carefully and IME several things need to be brought together at once for it to really work well.. which is partly why i dont go around recommending it to just anyone

I would rather spend the night sleeping and lucid dreaming(its much deeper than sleep dep)

Well yeah, if you consider sleep deprivation just skipping one night of sleep..lol. That stage is absolutely nothing like staying awake days on end jamie. Me and you have already talked about why the early stages are actually the most unpleasant, difficult, and uninteresting so i wont get into that

"If I were already in the state of struggling to stay awake due to sleep deprivation, would it be possible to spontaneously fall asleep during a DMT trip? If it were, would the following dreams be more hyperspatial? "

People fall asleep on ayahuasca all the time. Its a bit harder to fall asleep during a powerful smoked dmt trip but on the comedown it can happen.

Falling asleep after an experience almost always make my dreams more bizarre but falling asleep mid-trip on ayahuasca makes them especially wierd for me. In the dream its often as if i've taken twice the dose i took in real life.

 

[universecannon]

If your interested in this area then the author of this book has a lot of experience with psychedelics and more with sleep dep than probably anyone alive. Him and a friend actually participated in a study at manchester that showed their speed in performing several tasks actually improved a lot during an observed 5 day sleep deprivation experiment.

Its about a lot more than just sleep deprivation though. Its actually not even the main focus of it, but its still fascinating. The forward by Terence's brother Dennis McKenna explains the general idea.

 

[Guyomech]

I'm a chronically sleep deprived person just because of my current life situation... And on the days that I'm really tired I just have no desire at all to partake. My body just tells me No. And during this period (about 2 years so far) my best DMT experiences have been during the daytime when my energy is higher. Better visuals, more positive experiences, better retention.

 

[hixidom]

I'm talking staying up for 2 or 3 days then smoking DMT

I agree that one would have to stay up for multiple days to get the level of sleep deprivation I'm referring to. I agree with Jamie and Guyomech that smoalking when not tired sounds more enjoyable. I absolutely love sleeping. I also enjoy smoking DMT. I guess these two things are both better when done at different times.

Falling asleep after an experience almost always make my dreams more bizarre but falling asleep mid-trip on ayahuasca makes them especially wierd for me. In the dream its often as if i've taken twice the dose i took in real life.

Thanks for this insight. It answers my question.

Jamie, I have never had a lucid dream. I think it takes practice, but I have just been too lazy to look into it.

 

[jamie]

"Well yeah, if you consider sleep deprivation just skipping one night of sleep..lol"

Yeah most I went was like 40 hours while smoking weed chronically and I dosed mushrooms and MDMA also..then drank coffee in the morning and smoked more weed and sat on the beach all day long. I remember I couldnt skimboard well that whole day. I had no balance and my brain felt all fuzzy as if it had short circuited.

 

[hixidom]

How do you smoke weed all day and not sleep for 40 hours? I can't stay awake for more than a few hours after smoking weed.

 

[jamie]

I read an interview with this guy from Rons org(scientology organization that is opposed to the official Church of Scientology..long story) and he was saying that he sleeps like once every few days for only a couple hours after many many years of practicing the stuff outlines in dianetics etc. He claimed that humans were not sopposed to sleep really more than that(or maybe not at all) and that it was manipulation from other races or something that kept us from remembering our past lives on other planets and stuff that made our system week so it needed sleep to restore itself daily or something lol..I cant remember it all but it was weird as hell. It was interesting though.

 

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[jamie]

I also think it is iffy to extrapolate much of ANYTHING from our current sleeping patterns and compare it to less sleep or more sleep etc. Long ago before modern civilization we slept in complete darkness..for like 12 hours we were in darkness other than our fires which is not the same spectrum of light as computer screens and light bulbs.. I have heard speculation that we origionally might have spent the night in caves also so in that situation we did not even have starlight or moonlight.

Not many people simulate those conditions when they go to sleep. I black out my room but I still dont have 12 hours of that. Even if people went on less sleep way back in time, they still had that darkness. A lot of things might be happening in the brain with that darkness sleep or not..things that might not happen with the condition we are exposed to with computers and lights around us till like 11, or 12 or 1am..some people dont ever subject themselves to complete darkness. Lots of people have like nightlights or digital clocks, streetlights through the windows etc..

 

[Guyomech]

It's actually been established that having bluish lights on during sleep (from TVs etc) has a measurably negative impact on sleep: Naturally improve your sleep by avoiding blue light - NaturalNews.com

I originally read this in New Scientist, which only publishes hard science... But I can't find that article, and this one pretty much explains it.

 

[Jin]

in my days of LSD madness ,, i could stay awake easily on LSD for 3 days , dosing continuously every 6-8 hours , doseage was 1 drop every 8 hours , also it was very much fun at that time

perhaps the same could be done even on lower doses/microdoses , i was ungratefuly wasting a lot at that time however i wonder if lower doses will have the same effect on sleep

i even forced a friend to be continuously awake by dropping LSD on him , which was fun for him for the 1st day or so yet it only started to get weirder ,

i am wishing to try a similar experiment soon , let see how it goes

when i was younger even without LSD i could easily stay awake 3-4 days , yet these days i can't stay up or more than 18-20 hours , i am 29 now and if it continues this way then perhaps when i am 40 or so i'll have no strength left ,

 

[Nathanial.Dread]

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