DMT to relax?

[Mystic0]

That's like taking valium just to bring you down a notch

very bad comparison.

dmt is nothing like valium. the GABAergics are serious drugs of abuse, whose cessation of use can result in debilitating tremors, akin to DTs in alcoholics;
and dmt isn't quite like ssri's, which may also have side-effects with abrupt cessation.

taking dmt everyday is certainly habitual use. abuse? I dunno. does it affect your ability to function or alter your grasp on reality?

It was a figure of speech... If you're doing anything like this everyday, it's a form of abuse, DMT isn't something I think anyone should be doing everyday, even once a week or once a month, it's a psychedelic, they teach us lessons, lessons which require integration into our lives.

Even marijuana can be and is abused on a daily basis by millions of smokers, it's a psychedelic in it's own right.

Casually destroying your reality everyday cannot be healthy for your mind.. this is what's become profoundly real to me in my own experiences, one must spend time adjusting and realising what they have scene, even Shamans speak of this, Mystics indluded. Ayahuasca for example is something of a healing medicine, even the shamans don't take it everyday, even Terrence didn't abuse DMT that much. (He did take heroic ammounts of it though)

 

[SmoovPnCali]

I also find that a lower dose will definately put me into a very relaxed state. If I am having a hard time sleeping, I will grab the GVG and depending on what is going on the next day, I will either take a small dose or jump in with both feet. Afterwards, Babies don't sleep that well...

 

[benzyme]

DMT isn't something I think anyone should be doing everyday, even once a week or once a month, it's a psychedelic, they teach us lessons, lessons which require integration into our lives.

that's your own interpretation of it, it doesn't necessarily apply to everyone, because not everyone feels psychedelics are learning tools. they may or may not be (they don't have to be). It all depends on what the user decides to use it for.
also, psychedelic effects are dose-dependent. below common psychedelic doses exist another set of effects entirely. this applies to most drugs, including another commonly abused drug, MDMA.

 

[jungleDNBplz]

That's like taking valium just to bring you down a notch

Wholeheartedly disagreed. DMT absolutely breaks these rules. Frequent use is not abuse. It's evolution!

 

[Digital Machine]

Sorry but... saying this isn't abuse is highly disturbing, "I don't consider myself an alchoholic, but I drink everyday". This is how that just came across to me and using something so powerful as a relaxant? That's like taking valium just to bring you down a notch,

It really depends,

I don't thinking taking something mildly that only last in the system for few moments isn't necessarily abuse. If the person could go several days without the substance with no problems then it is probably not abuse. The term Abuse can also be very subjective. If one physically or mentally starts to get unrest/anxiety/cravings for not having the substance in there system, and THEN only takes it relieve the pressures, then something like might be abuse/addiction.

I have abused several substances over the last 10 years one being the nastiest thing over which is Opiate addiction. I have to learn live without it, which bugs the hell out of me at times because I enjoy it so much having that euphoric feeling 24/7.

 

[somethingsintheway]

DMT is my therapy. When I first started I used it very often, then it became a once a week thing, then once a month, now it has been months since I've done any. I believe it is there when I need it, and when I first turned it to I just needed it a lot. It will taper off on it's own.

 

[Mystic0]

DMT is my therapy. When I first started I used it very often, then it became a once a week thing, then once a month, now it has been months since I've done any. I believe it is there when I need it, and when I first turned it to I just needed it a lot. It will taper off on it's own.

This ^ ^ ^ ^ ^

I honestly don't believe the time it stays in your system has anything to do with the abuse factor Benzene. It's one of, if not the most powerful psychedelic substance we know about, using it everyday for prolonged periods of time, without proper integration of the experience, not just a "learning" experience or tool. Integration in general.

You're putting your head and your possible soul through immense trauma, if it's NDE as some call it, it's what I believe I experienced.. you're only meant to experience this one or at least find a proper ways and means of building to this. You don't just throw a toddler into a swimming pool expecting it to be able to swim.

Shamans spend their entire lives, with gradual integration into these substances with other experienced shamans, who all have a profound respect for the substance they are using, the majority of the folks using DMT have no experience and no integration, they just jump straight back in, wanting more and more.. the line I read at the start of this topic spoke exactly that.

This is just how I feel about it.

 

[benzyme]

again, you're equating full-blown psychedelic doses with relaxing doses. they are not the same dosage.

 

[VIII]

Mystic0, I don't find the relaxing doses need any prolonged integration. To me it really is just a couple moments of relaxation and appreciation. No life altering visions, etc. Perhaps we are speaking of a different vaporizing dosage range?

 

[Non Dua Natura]

This is just how I feel about it.

Be that as it may, but you're presenting your opinion as if it's fact and being rather judgmental of those who see things differently to you.

 

[haeratic]

If by relax, you mean to reduce the intensity and tension of reality, DMT out of ALL substances would be my last choice. It's a well known fact that DMT can abruptly spike your blood pressure and heart rate which is quite the opposite of relaxation. It's pretty obvious that smoking DMT is an intense experience which is antithetical to what 'relax' means. On the other hand, DMT is an anxiolytic, so after you come down you'll most definitely feel relaxed to the max.

You're obviously not doing DMT for the relaxation afterward though, you're doing it for the experience itself. This is anything but "relaxing" and there's a reason for that, you're going into hyperspace not idlespace. If you wanna relax go lie down and listen to music, shit aint that complicated.

I have done small dosage DMT, and it was pretty unsatisfying along with feeling like a waste b/c I could get the same effects through other avenues. I would never waste DMT on the intention to just relax, let alone daily :surprised . Doing that does seem like abnormal use (this thread kinda blurred the line between addiction and abuse), b/c most people use DMT for an experience not as some kind of relaxation aide.

 

[benzyme]

that's like the premise that low dose mdma is a waste, and not suitable to treat PTSD.
I've had several low doses, and they were all relaxing. how can dmt be an anxiolytic and not relaxing?
you guys seem to not grasp the concept that dmt has different effects at lower doses, it acts on several 5HT subtypes,
not just the classic psychedelic receptor, 5HT2a. the anxiolytic properties have been attributed to trace-amine receptors
at concentrations well below common active doses

perhaps at low doses, you were concentrating on whether or not you were going to get visuals.

 

[Parshvik Chintan]

perhaps at low doses, you were concentrating on whether or not you were going to get visuals.

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low doses are very physical, and i find them quite useful for yoga/tai chi type activities.

a bowl full of changa slowly puffed over the course of time can be quite enjoyable for a multitude of reasons.


comparing breakthrough doses to low doses is like comparing a breakthrough dose of mushrooms to a 1-2g experience.. sometimes just a gram will suffice.

 

[anrchy]

I think that the term abuse is applied to DMT too often when people speak of dosing a lot. Especially low doses. A low dose of DMT is an entirely different drug. I have used low doses to calm me down for the larger ones more times then not.

And applying your own set of ideals for how long someone must wait to dose again in order to integrate your experience doesnt work, ever. Each experience I have had is different. And with that difference also comes a different time period in which I am able to fully integrate it into my life. My most recent one shook me hard as far as feeling very strong emotional feelings, and is going to take me some time before I even feel comfortable dosing, let alone with enough time to integrate it completely.

Yet I have had experiences that were light and took no time to integrate at all, or didnt need an integration period. Only one time in my experience have I dosed several times, with larger doses, all within a few hours. These experiences were just that, experiences. I decide how I use DMT, and no one can apply their own way of doing it to judge me and my use.

Besides, if I dosed 5 mg, i wouldnt need to wait a month to dose again to integrate the relaxation that I just received. Lately I have been dosing with approx 2 weeks in between. Every once in awhile I dose a week later. When I first started I would have a month or two in between sometimes.

In my opinion, abuse doesnt really apply to DMT the traditional way that it does for say, alcohol or heroin. What ever your intent is, that would be the only thing that could classify you as an abuser or not. Even then it wouldnt work too well, some people say that you are abusing DMT if you do it for the visuals, but what if none of the experience is actually real and thats really all it is, visuals. Who are you to say?

 

[LetSoulsDevour]

I tried DMT 2 years ago for the first time. And I have been blasting of not more than 30 times since then, I feel like I have to, as many have stated is so important, integrate the experience. However, recently I´ve been smoking mini doses (I really mean mini) for relaxation and to be able to fall asleep easier when I have trouble doing so.

I do not get any visuals from these doses, only a buzz in my body and mind, the colours in my room get little luminous and I notice a greater depth in everything around me. I have been trying this 3 times over a period of 2 months maybe, and thinking of doing it a little more often since it seems to fulfill its purpose. I will be trying this a little more often I think, maybe once a week.

I do not feel like I am abusing anything, you can do a lots of things with water, same thing with DMT. You can blast of from this reality with normal / big doses or you can (if it works for you) do mini doses for relaxation.

That is my humble point of view.

 

[CLT]

low doses are very physical, and i find them quite useful for yoga/tai chi type activities.

a bowl full of changa slowly puffed over the course of time can be quite enjoyable for a multitude of reasons.

comparing breakthrough doses to low doses is like comparing a breakthrough dose of mushrooms to a 1-2g experience.. sometimes just a gram will suffice.

I agree very much with everything you've said. At ~8-10mg I find the effects almost sedative with more of a body high, somewhat 'stoning'. As the effects wear off I feel tired in a natural way, i.e as if I've had a productive day and am now out of worries. Seems like a good stress-reliever. For mushrooms, I actually prefer them in low dosages (around 1.5g). The higher dosages seem to increase anxiety beyond comfort and lend themselves to ideas that are - to put it blandly - ridiculous.

How come these effects at low dosages don't scale up as you increase the dosage? Are their effects just overpowered or is there another mechanism at work?

 

[Parshvik Chintan]

The higher dosages seem to increase anxiety beyond comfort and lend themselves to ideas that are - to put it blandly - ridiculous.

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