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papataq

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Hey all,
New to here and new to DMT (three months of use) and I'd appreciate any help I can get.

Some key information before I explain my concern:
*I've only used gram vape carts
*Never broken through completely
*My mindset/emotions are consistent then and now (I think)

I've been having relatively negative trips recently pretty consistently. The first hand-full of times were great and cathartic but coming into this last cart that I've picked up, things have gotten weird and not enjoyable at all. I don't want to give it up because it's helped me stop drinking alcohol and helped with the grieving of my friend that passed away.

Recently my trips have been very taunting and it truly feels like the trip is bullying me for reasons I don't understand. I'll take two big vape hits and I'll feel a decent amount of electricity somehow then something like a book on my table would vanish, be put back, then moved a couple feet away, a hand would wave from the top right corner of my vision but when I look it's gone, I look down and something is holding my hand while taunting me, a table would flat out look like a cartoonish thing with sharp teeth then move something else somewhere out of view then back in view, etc etc.

The best way to describe how I feel in the moment is like a kid in school getting randomly bullied by a group of older kids that were my friends a week ago.

I end up really frustrated because I went from enjoyable and enlightening trips to these last ones feeling like something's trying to undo everything.

Thanks to anybody reading this, I just really appreciate any advice because I do find this to be medicine for me.
 
My fairly inexperienced thought is, do you always do this with open eyes?
I've had 2 sorts of experiences, utter beauty, calm with all the love, and confused swirling dark slightly snake-like with hints of faces with teeth, I put this second experience down to not cleaning the glass pipe between uses. Though I have read that vaping can overheat the spice in a Vape and make for a bad trip.

But first off, if you haven't tried it get an eye mask to help keeping your eyes shut and pull the curtains to make the room darker, then lay back and watch. Ask why you are being shown what you see when in the experience.
 
it can be easier said than done, but try to keep your emotions in check. something that seems bad on the surface might not necessarily be bad, but because we perceive it that way it ends up becoming a bad experience.
crude example is a dog barking to some people is something to be afraid of, but to others it is something to be excited about.
with that in mind you can accept what has happened and be okay with it. the book doesn't really matter, it is just a book. the hands can be thought of as playful, same for the table moving. the sharp teeth don't necessarily mean scary, as with the dog example above, dogs have sharp teeth too, but they are usually very friendly.
obviously you won't have the same experience next time, but be prepared to be okay with whatever happens. you will not die or be hurt. nothing over there can hurt you, you are the powerful one, they rely on you to manifest, you hold the power and they know it, you just have to know it too. but really they are not evil, just sometimes playful in an annoying way :)
this is part of set and setting. it is one thing to prepare a good set and setting before going in, but you need to keep it while tripping too.

another thing to think about is maybe there is something you are supposed to be taking from this. integration is important in my opinion. maybe you are missing something. transistorbass makes a great suggestion too about asking why you are being shown these things.
the toughest lessons we learn in life are usually the ones that make us the strongest.

just remember, you are safe and the molecule loves you <3
 
It helps to integrate a meditative breath and soft gaze into the experience. Try staring at a tree or plant, and not analyzing or interpreting anything that comes up. Music and/or a quartz singing bowl helps a lot too, as does just letting your body move on its own. Equanimity comes with practice and relaxation
 
Close your eyes, my friend. There's something waiting for you.

This is a jestery and trickster kind of substance, and I don't say that in a new-agey or flippant way. My first intuition while reading what you stated in the OP was "close your eyes, that's probably what they want right now." At the same time, it's not all fun and games, and you may be seeing some other parts of its nature. As I'll keep saying, at some point it gets real. For some it takes a while or they stop before it ever happens, for others it gets real immediately, and then there's the spectrum in between. This can also be an aspect or indication of more personal and depth work for yourself personally. While fascinating, this substance does become work over time. The last thing I'll say is, this medicine seems to read you, so if you are in anyway trying to use it as an escape, it will gladly do it's damnedest to try and check you on that and "bully" you. You may want to research the hyperslap phenomenon.

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TransistorBass said:
Can you explain the differences in the vibe?
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It seems to appeal to immediate gratification, which, imo, doesn't lend itself towards responsible or mindful use. It's a way for a powerful substance to effectively become a party drug. And without going into too much detail, it's also a way for some to rip off others.

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Voidmatrix said:
It seems to appeal to immediate gratification
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I don't know about carts, but with juice in a sub-ohm tank I feel more fear towards it than gratification. I suppose it depends on the person.
Voidmatrix said:
doesn't lend itself towards responsible or mindful use
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Hardly a problem of the method. It does make it easier to use it in those ways, because it makes it easier to use it in general. IMO blaming the ROA for one's own use pattern is like blaming the substance: deflection of responsibility.

If someone finds low doses of DMT gratifying and finds it difficult to avoid misusing it, by all means avoid anything that makes use easier. But that's different from putting the blame on the ROA.

Also, those same criticisms could be made about changa, if they were correct. Changa is actually used in parties and for immediate gratification. I don't think that's "changa's fault", whatever that would mean.

Lastly, even though it's not the way I have decided and prefer to use psychedelics, I don't see anything inherently wrong with their use for purely hedonistic purposes. Let's not fall for moral puritanism.
 
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It's easier for me to hit my vape wherever I am than it ever was to go outside and light a cigarette. It's easier to grab a vape a pull than it is to weigh a dose load it and administer and we can say the same for changa.

blig-blug said:
Let's not fall for moral puritanism.
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Read my post again. I said it seems, and that it was my opinion, which is contrary to a puritanical attitude.

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Simply, I think it has higher abuse potential.
 
Voidmatrix said:
It's easier for me to hit my vape wherever I am than it ever was to go outside and light a cigarette. It's easier to grab a vape a pull than it is to weigh a dose load it and administer and we can say the same for changa.
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True but that is in itself neutral. The claim was not that it makes misuse easier: it does, as it makes any use easier. The claim is that it doesn't lend itself towards responsible or mindful use. That may very well be the case for some people, but I disagree with it in the terms it was stated.

Having a decent amount of DMT extracted also makes it easier to misuse it, but I wouldn't agree that e.g. not extracting it dose by dose doesn't lend itself towards responsible use.

Owning any amount of DMT has higher abuse potential than not owning DMT at all, but that's not saying much.

Voidmatrix said:
I said it seems, and that it was my opinion, which is contrary to a puritanical attitude.
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True. I also didn't say that it was a puritanical attitude, I just said let's not do it. It was preemptive on my part, as it's something that tends to appear easily. If no one is doing it, there's not much more to say about that :)

To go back on topic, @papataq I don't think you having bad trips is related in any way to using vape juice. I do agree that it could perhaps be related to it being a "cart that you just picked up", as who knows what it could contain. So it would be worth it to extract your own DMT regardless of the ROA.
 
Well, I seem to be clearly missing something here, because to me, this ain't that deep. I shared a pretty open and innocent opinion and you are, in one way or another, kinda telling me my opinion is wrong, and mischaracterizing my statements.

I was asked my opinion and I shared it in a way that doesn't stipulate anyone has to be swayed by. Hence my use of terms like seems and imo.

blig-blug said:
The claim is that it doesn't lend itself towards responsible or mindful use. That may very well be the case for some people, but I disagree with it in the terms it was stated.
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The easier something is to use, the easier it is to be thoughtless about it. So it lends itself in that way... IDK what we're debating here.

blig-blug said:
Having a decent amount of DMT extracted also makes it easier to misuse it, but I wouldn't agree that e.g. not extracting it dose by dose doesn't lend itself towards responsible use.

Owning any amount of DMT has higher abuse potential than not owning DMT at all, but that's not saying much.
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Extracting it dose by dose? I don't recall saying anything like that, so you've lost me...

blig-blug said:
True. I also didn't say that it was a puritanical attitude, I just said let's not do it. It was preemptive on my part, as it's something that tends to appear easily. If no one is doing it, there's not much more to say about that :)
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Okay, well your preemptive worry is unnecessary. :)

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Voidmatrix said:
this ain't that deep
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I agree.

Voidmatrix said:
I shared a pretty open and innocent opinion and you are, in one way or another, kinda telling me my opinion is wrong
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I'm disagreeing with it as stated, yes. I don't think that's a problem.

Voidmatrix said:
and mischaracterizing my statements
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That's not my intention. I may be misunderstanding them, or you misunderstanding mine, or both.

Voidmatrix said:
IDK what we're debating here.
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I don't think there's much to debate, because I suspect we actually agree.

Simply put: something lending itself to misuse is not the same as something not lending itself to a good use. They are not equivalent statements.

Is vaped DMT easier to misuse? Yes.

Is it difficult to use responsibly? Not necessarily. So to say that it doesn't lend itself to responsible use is overstating and overgeneralizing it.

The core problem here is that it was a nitpick on my part, and irrelevant to the conversation. Plus, in a day where I can't seem to find the right tone. So there's no need to keep going on about it, it's not worth it to argue semantics, and I think we agree about the actual substance.

So, sorry about that.

Sky Motion said:
My problem with them is that they are, 99% of the time, not made by the consumer, period
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Completely agreed on that point.
 
Sky Motion said:
My problem with them is that they are, 99% of the time, not made by the consumer, period.
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That is the problem, really. Easy access to anything without any work done or understanding could create a bad situation. Whatever the case, any individual needs to exercise common sense. Sadly, people who can buy vapes are too removed from the real dynamics of working with DMT, imo. They may learn, but it would be much better to have some regulations. When you make something a commodity, it tends to lose its soul 😭
 
I wish I could figure out an herb vaporizer for changa that doesn't seem to waste tons of DMT, since changa is very much preferred. But so far my comparative tests with the same amount loaded in a bong showed it was vastly inferior. But vape carts have certainly come in handy for easy redosing in the middle of a session where I have one hand on a singing bowl while my eyes are entirely preoccupied. Especially in nature.
 
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