DMT vs Acid, what I realised yesterday

[jellyindwin]

Hello fellow travellers, I hope you are all Well and enjoying your weekend. I know this is in the wrong part but I'm still a noob and really want to see what others opinions are on this matter.

A little history, I'm a fairly experienced tripper, ive done acid around 30 times, from half tabs for pure introspection to double dropping at a works christmas party and never had a problem, that was all around Christmas 2014 and I had a fantastic time. Hadnt done it properly in a year or so after that.

As for DMT, well, SWIM has done it well over 50 times, with quite a few small doses (to test the potency of SWIMs extract) and also a lot of big hits, some where I literally don't remember anything, you know the ones where as soon as you exhale you think fark I'm in for a beating here. And everything in between. Thats all in the last 6 months or so.

Well, yesterday I took a tab and a half of acid, and never before have I been so terrified, all of my intense, dark, scary dmt trips were not as physcologically terrifying as this. And it's not that it was too much, if I had done it a year ago it would have been a perfect trip, I'll tell you why.....

When I take DMT, I know that the people up there are looking out for me, and I can always trust that if I surrender and let go that even if its a terrible trip it's for a reason and I accept that.

But with Acid, I could feel the chemicals, I was lying in my bedroom hugging the cat to keep me grounded jusyt thinking "show me what you have to teach me" but because its a synthetic product I didn't trust what I saw, and that was where the fear came from, as if there was nothing deeper than what I saw and that at any point the darkness would creep in And I'd be gone.

After such an intense experience I wanted to see what you guys might think? Did I just have a bad trip and miss out on the potential depth of the acid or do you feel the same and trust the DMT to show you what it has to, good or bad?

I ended up taking 2 valium and it killed the trip within half an hr, and was back to a half tab type trip with a pleasant after glow, all in all I'm glad I did it, and learned a lot.

Safe travels my friends

 

[didnof]

Sounds likd the bad trip to me, having said that i'm about as experienced as you are when it comes to acid so posdibly not ideally placed to advise.

Do you know anyone else that tried some from the same batch, and if they were ok? Was it defifitely acid and not nbome?

 

[jellyindwin]

Yeah it definitely was the start of a bad one,lucky I took the valium and got it before it turned dark, it was actually a nice trip that just got too intense. Pretty sure it was acid butno way to be sure.

If I'd have been on ayahuasca or dmt I know I would have been able to deal with it, because I Trust the dmt, the plants and the spirits that have guided me through all my trips and hardships. Where as on the acid I didn't trust the images or realities that were about to come because I could feel it was a synthesised chemical, so I guess I'm wondering if anyone would agree, I love low doses of acid for general cleansing, introspection and relaxation but when it comes to high level psychedelic revelations, I'd rather fall back and trust nature.

 

[Ringworm]

Thoughts:

If you think you cannot get overwhelmed and have a rough time with dmt/ayahuasca, clearly you haven't taken enough It happens sometimes.

Second, get over your hangup regarding where and how lsd comes into being. If you are going to view it as "a dirty synthetic" of course you are going to have a bad time of it. It is a magical chemical, no matter where it came from.
Obviously, due to you having lack of control to some extent on your acid supply, it is always important to proceed with caution, I've heard there is lotsa weird stuff out there being passed off as it. If you cannot get to where you can trust the source/chemical itself, I would advise not using it anymore as certainly more negative experiences will follow.

Good luck
rw

 

[greenmoss]

Yeah it definitely was the start of a bad one,lucky I took the valium and got it before it turned dark, it was actually a nice trip that just got too intense. Pretty sure it was acid butno way to be sure.

If I'd have been on ayahuasca or dmt I know I would have been able to deal with it, because I Trust the dmt, the plants and the spirits that have guided me through all my trips and hardships. Where as on the acid I didn't trust the images or realities that were about to come because I could feel it was a synthesised chemical, so I guess I'm wondering if anyone would agree, I love low doses of acid for general cleansing, introspection and relaxation but when it comes to high level psychedelic revelations, I'd rather fall back and trust nature.

Well, some medical professionals say that its not about a 'bad trip', its about what you could learn from it. What caused the bad trip? when did it start to go bad?


Was it because you thought LSD was not natural and as a result would not give you 'pure' effects/insight.


You could maybe even compare that to this experience:
I had a bad flu and was taking Paracetamol twice a day for two days, on the third night I took Paracetamol again, two hours later I just looked into the mirror and noticed my eyes were bloodshot, I then started to panic and thought that because I had taken the Paracetamol that causes liver damage and as a result gave me liver damage. Of course the red eyes were due to another problem. But the point is, I started to have huge worry over something my mind created.

??

 

[Psybin]

I second what greenmoss said, I thought I had HIV after a wild christmas party last year but it turned out I just drank too much. The mind can definitely create more tangible experiences than one would care to admit

 

[Symphonette]

Remember, if it's bitter, it's a spitter. And or metallic.

There's no such thing as a bad trip with LSD. When you're farthest away from everything you ever knew and your entire reality is melting before your eyes; you learn the most about yourself. Self reflection. Must always respect this chemical. Do that and it will treat you nicely.

As for what happened there, it is very possible you had taken one of those risky research chemicals.

How many micrograms did you take when you had to abort trip?

 

[Nathanial.Dread]

It's all chemicals. LSD, DMT, psilocybin, it's all mostly just carbon anyway

I recall hearing a long time ago something like:

LSD teaches you about the universe
DMT teaches you about yourself
Magic Mushrooms teach you about God

Or something.

Blessings
~ND

 

[nexalizer]

But with Acid, I could feel the chemicals

:surprised

I ended up taking 2 valium and

:roll: :!:

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[jellyindwin]

Hello everyone, thanks for your replies and sorry for my late response, been a hectic few weeks!

I'll just give you a run down on my thoughts at the moment, I am 99% sure that it wasn't LSD, it had a very bitter taste, caused me to heat up an insane amount and as soon as I smoked a doobie I instantly felt a change in psyche and felt anxious, nervous and paranoid, so I'm assuming it was NBOMe or similiar.

Over the last few weeks I've had time to intergrate the experience and what I took from the experience was that it was about my abusive nature towards drugs, I'm fairly young and always thought I was 'untouchable' for want of a better word, not so much an ego thing but more of naivety. I realise now that moderation is everything and I'm very thankful I experienced that and understand the true powers we are all dealing with.

Thank you for all your responses, I'd love to quote and respond to you all personally but I'm on a phone and Not that technical. I will continue my journey and heed all of your advice, tho I think I will be following a natural path until I get the call

Hope you're all enjoying the Easter break,

Cheers

 

[jellyindwin]

Symphonette, I'm not sure on the mg, got them from a friend and all I know is that 1 tab did almost nothing more than a buzz with no visuals and the half tab took me deeper than I've been before, crazy stuff!

 

[Strigiform]

I'll just give you a run down on my thoughts at the moment, I am 99% sure that it wasn't LSD, it had a very bitter taste, caused me to heat up an insane amount and as soon as I smoked a doobie I instantly felt a change in psyche and felt anxious, nervous and paranoid, so I'm assuming it was NBOMe or similiar.

Could have been DOx (a substituted amphetamine passed off as LSD). Was the tab much thicker than normal? Anyway, you might want to invest in one of these to test what you get.

 

[jellyindwin]

I'll definitely be getting that for next time, thanks! It was roughly the same thickness as a normal one, no physical differences that I can remember

 

[AcaciaConfusedYah]

Hey there jelly,

Yeah, those research chems have a very different feel than lsd. I have only taken a bitter tab once, and i wish I has spit it out.

True LSD, even though synth'd, is a wonderfull compound.

If you do decide to take some LSD, it might be a good idea to grab a test kit to verify what substance you are taking.:thumb_up: then there will be no surprises (Well... Ya know. No surprises about WHAT it is - the trip will probably still be surprising. )