DMT while on Chantix (not Zyban - edit mistype)

[EZ4U2Shoot]

Just wondering if anyone else has dosed while taking Chantix to quit smoking? If so, how did it affect the journey?

It seems to me that while on Chantix the Spice Journeys were much more intense in many different ways. More colorful, more active, more lively, and more abstract. It seemed to magnify the experience greatly in all areas, visual, tactile, auditory, and mental. I'm just wondering if anyone else has had experience in this manner.


EDIT: Initially, I typed Zyban but actually meant Chantix.

 

[arcanum]

Actually I was going to ask this very same question , and you kind of answered it . It seems reasonable to presume that Bupropion would do that, probably via it's dopamine reuptake blocking mechanisms and norepinephrine.

I suppose you are smoking it without harmalas in the mix. I wouldn't partake in Pharma or Ayahuasca while on it if I were you.

 

[EZ4U2Shoot]

My apologize. It is actually Chantix. I originally was on Zyban to quit smoking but I changed to Chantix because Zyban could be dangerous with MAOI's. Chantix on the other hand doesn't have the same risks.

I'm fairly honest with my physician and he stated that as long as I "experiment with DMT and MAOI's" he will prescribe me Chantix instead of Zyban. I will see if I can change the post name.

 

[Parshvik Chintan]

I'm fairly honest with my physician and he stated that as long as I "experiment with DMT and MAOI's" he will prescribe me Chantix instead of Zyban.

this is the smart way to go, as long as you are not planning to hurt yourself or others, you got doctor-patient confidentiality.

most doctors just want to work with you to help you get better, so there is no point in hiding these kinds of things, imo.

 

[EZ4U2Shoot]

I'm fairly honest with my physician and he stated that as long as I "experiment with DMT and MAOI's" he will prescribe me Chantix instead of Zyban.

this is the smart way to go, as long as you are not planning to hurt yourself or others, you got doctor-patient confidentiality.

most doctors just want to work with you to help you get better, so there is no point in hiding these kinds of things, imo.

Confidentiality is an awesome protection. It just surprises me how few people really confide in their physicians. Between 3 different doctors in the past 5 years, they have each seemed surprised that I actually told them up front when I first saw them. One even stated that he hasn't had any patients to voluntarily offer such information and most aren't entirely honest when asked about it.

My whole opinion is it is better safe than sorry. I have even consulted an experienced chemist (23 years with a major corporation and over 40 significant patents) regarding my extraction processes (confidentiality granted there because he is related). Needless to say, I am absolutely confident in the safety, cleanliness, and purity. One statement he made really encouraged and relieved me. "The toxins in the end product would be insignificant. Using the process described and discussed you would inhale more toxins and carcinogens when you pump your own gas at the station than you would from smoking 50 grams of the end product; DMT aside not being classified as a toxin."

 

[a1pha]

I'm fairly honest with my physician and he stated that as long as I "experiment with DMT and MAOI's" he will prescribe me Chantix instead of Zyban.

this is the smart way to go, as long as you are not planning to hurt yourself or others, you got doctor-patient confidentiality.

most doctors just want to work with you to help you get better, so there is no point in hiding these kinds of things, imo.

Confidentiality is an awesome protection. It just surprises me how few people really confide in their physicians.

That's not entirely true. Let me quote a doctor:

Asking patients if they use street drugs (and, depending on the answer, the appropriate questions re type/frequency/ROA) can often be very relevant to making a full evaluation of a patient.Some patients will flat-out deny it when its clear (to the trained eye ) that they do but if one can establish a rapport with the patient the info is usually forthcoming.And can lead to some interesting chats!!

My personal policy is to ask if they want their usage documenting and if they say no, then I will not commit the info to the notes, but tell them I appreciate their frankness as it aids me to help them. If they say they dont mind I remind them that should their history of use be documented than this may have implications later down the line for example if they apply for life insurance.The insurers seek a report from the doctor and a consistently found section asks about tobacco/alcohol/'drug' use (theyre all bloody drugs aren't they?).

If their drug-taking history is documented then the doctor completing the report would be obliged to mention it in response to the question relating to it.More often than not, the patient will then decide on not having this part of their social history documented.Interestingly, IME, this openness on my part, plus informing of this hazard re insurers, seems to improve my relationship with the patient.

This is my approach and has served me well.I think the majority of doctors would get a denial of use from the patient which prevents the doctor from getting all the info they need to really assess the patient fully.

Patient Doctor confidentiality


It's good to be honest with your doctor... but you need to remain cautious about what information ends up on your chart. Once it enters the system, it's there forever. Insurance companies, employers doing extensive background checks, law enforcement, hackers...... all have (or might have) the ability to access the system at some point in your life.

Caution is advised.

 

[Parshvik Chintan]

good to know, a1pha, i was under the mistaken impression that confidentiality actually meant confidentiality.

if you request them to not put it on any records, do they have the legal right to do so anyways?

 

[a1pha]

good to know, a1pha, i was under the mistaken impression that confidentiality actually meant confidentiality.

Not in the digital post-9/11 age, unfortunately.

if you request them to not put it on any records, do they have the legal right to do so anyways?

I can't answer this with certainty. Plus, the laws differ from county to country. However, trust should be bi-directional. If you ask the doctor to respect your wishes and not document use then hopefully they will cooperate.

 

[EZ4U2Shoot]

a1pha

In the USA, the insurance companies cannot acquire that information. In fact, for the most part, nobody can legally get the records without your express signed consent. Except in the case in which one might harm themselves or another, complete confidentiality is protected and requires a court order to release the information if the patient does not consent. Additionally, because of all the privacy laws, federal and state, those court orders are not taken lightly and are very difficult to get. And even when they are released under court order, their use is limited to the confines of the court order.

http://www.ama-assn.org/ama/pub/phy...ationship-topics/patient-confidentiality.page

I couldn't find it again, but there was a case in which an insurance company and a physician lost a major law suit because the company had hired (read purchased) a physician to access medical records in such regards.

 

[MomentOfTruth]

I work in the insurance industry and used to order and retreive medical records for life insurance underwriters that were issuing policies. If you are trying to obtain life insurance you may be required to release your medical records to the insurer. Its a necessary evil of this type of insurance. Same with health insurance. You do have to sign an authorization before this information is obtained though, so if you pay attention to what you are signing you will know when you have authorized this type of release.

As far as employers, they would also have to have a signed release from you before they obtained those records. I've never been employed somewhere that required this type of release for employment but I cannot say that there aren't employers that would request it.

I would always air on the side of caution when it comes to this kind of information as it could have implications down the line for health/life insurance purposes.

 

[Parshvik Chintan]

I would always air on the side of caution

to air is human... to forgive divine :d

 

[EZ4U2Shoot]

I would always air on the side of caution

to air is human... to forgive divine :d

To "air" is noxious. To err is human. To forgive is divine. To forget is senile. :?

 

[MomentOfTruth]

Thanks for pointing that out guys! :lol: err, ere, air, heir, ayre....sense, since, cents, scents.... The english language is such a a bastard of the universe.

 

[EZ4U2Shoot]

So, is there anyone else who has taken Chantix/Champix to quit smoking and dosed while on it?

 

[MomentOfTruth]

I have not. Tobacco is known to have some MAOI activity so I wonder if chantix is similar? Seems like a possibility.

By the way, your original post seemed to indicate past usage of chantix.... Did you successfully quit? Was the chantix effective in that regard? I've never used any of the smoking cessation products available on the market today and often wonder how effective they are.

 

[EZ4U2Shoot]

I have not. Tobacco is known to have some MAOI activity so I wonder if chantix is similar? Seems like a possibility.

By the way, your original post seemed to indicate past usage of chantix.... Did you successfully quit? Was the chantix effective in that regard? I've never used any of the smoking cessation products available on the market today and often wonder how effective they are.

Yeah. I quit smoking for a year. Mostly to appease my wife. But I rather enjoyed smoking and started again. Yes. Stupid. Now I'm considering quitting again. I guess I'm just a quitter. But this time it is more for health reasons. Not that I have any health problems right now, besides not being able to run more than 2 miles. But just for future sake. I guess I'm getting older. But when I was on the Chantix and when I got off, I did notice a difference. But it was more than just an MAOI effect. It changed the tryp in ways I can't really describe. Not unpleasant, just different, and maybe a little more intense or extreme. But then again, the Chantix gave me some really whacked out dreams as well.