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Do you see nuclear war as a possibility.
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I see it as an inevitability.
All it will take is for good men to do nothing. Which seems to be pretty popular these days. Ignore your problems. Those twisted, evil people over there? Ignore. Not my problem.
I'm sure only a handful of people on this planet know exactly how many nukes there are, but just making an uneducated guess the odds become pretty undeniable. Someone is going to push that button eventually, for whatever reason.
P.S. Awesome name.
All it will take is for good men to do nothing. Which seems to be pretty popular these days. Ignore your problems. Those twisted, evil people over there? Ignore. Not my problem.
I'm sure only a handful of people on this planet know exactly how many nukes there are, but just making an uneducated guess the odds become pretty undeniable. Someone is going to push that button eventually, for whatever reason.
P.S. Awesome name.
Fukashima went..thats bad enough. We dont need to worry about nuclear war..we need to worry about the crazy ammounts of fallout and background radiation already hitting us.
Exactly that. Nuclear war. Or at least something so devastating that it is equivalent in scope as a nuclear war would be.dio said:
Our society has to crumble before we can build it the way it should be. The only catch is we have to remember everything wrong we did this time around. No comforting amnesia or ignoring our dark history. We need to have all the evils done on display, for everyone to see, for everyone to know that no matter what happens, we can't go back there. We can't let it happen again.
Everything runs in cycles, but we have the power to alter those cycles. We are not doomed to repeat the same mistakes for all of eternity.
At least that's what I tell myself so I can sleep at night.
Dioxippus said:
What I'm about to describe I am not presenting as 'true', just one context of possibility that I think should be taken into account.
The condition we are in right now I see as potentially being due to everyone being in 'survival mode', focused and centered on lower chakras if you go into hindu context. This isn't because of something we did wrong, but rather, just where we came from. We came from animals running purely on survival instinct building up our culture up and out of that. Our culture and society representing an attempt to push ourselves out of a primal state, out of survival mode. Much of the cut throat evil of our culture stemming from the remnants of, and people still being in 'survival mode'. If you want people to leave behind that attitude, then the way to do that is to get them out of survival mode, out of lower chakras.
I would worry nuclear war and catastrophe would force people back into a more dire survival mode. More gang-like entities would form, fierce territorial instinct, fighting over resources, then what culture does emerge out of it would end up in the same place our culture is now. Us trying to somehow build our way out of survival instinct.
I see our current culture beginning to form various pockets of groups of people that are sustainably pulling themselves out of survival mode. What if our current culture is just a transitionary building phase? A phase where, we are still largely in survival mode, and since we are so large scale, those left over instincts appear amplified, but it's not our inherint mass organization that is the root of the instincts, but rather it is our mass organization that is amplifying, and ultimately weeding out, those residual instincts continually presenting themselves as being less necessary. That ultimately the current culture is providing a base framework out of which we can completely move onto a new level of being.
I don't believe that it will happen. These crazy dictators, obama, kim jong un and the guys from china - they all want to conquer and you can't really colonize land which is full of radiation.
Who will buy the Oil...if everyone is dead?
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Hieronymous
Rising Star
Well they blew the horns
And the walls came down
They'd all been warned
And the walls came down
They stood there laughing
They're not laughing anymore
The walls came down
Sanctuary fades
Congregation splits
Nightly military raids
The congregation splits
It's a song of assassins
Ringin' in your ears
We got terrorist thinking
Playing on fears
Well they blew the horns
And the walls came down
They'd all been warned
But the walls came down
I don't think there are any Russians
And there ain't no Yanks
Just corporate criminals
Playin' with tanks
Walls came down
The Call
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The way I see it the world has been under the grip of the corrupt US federal reserve banking system for way too long, most of the wars involving the US have been with countries/entities that don't do what they're told by these corrupt bankers/criminals.
The world took a major turn for the worst when JFK tried to cut them out of the loop (the private company known as the US federal reserve) and replace their corrupt system with a rational sustainable system that could be regulated. They had him killed and their greed reached new levels and spread around the globe like a curse.
Executive order 11110
Now we have moves to cut these pricks and their cohorts (the US federal reserve, the world bank & IMF) out of the scene on an international level with the BRICS nations plan.
BRICS Nations new world bank
If the BRICS scheme gains any momentum (which it certainly will - the US bankers have pissed off/impoverished many nations) the current world bankers will have two choices.
1 Become subservient to the new world elite
2 All out thermo nuclear war
Any US citizens reading this please don't take offence at my words, as when I say US bankers I refer to an international cartel. The institutions administering this system are largely US based so I use the term US bankers as an abbreviation for the sake of convenience.
I have no issues with US citizens and have found most people from the US that I have personally dealt with to have higher moral standards than most of my fellow countrymen.
My gripe is with the corrupt political system and banking systems based in the USA.
And the walls came down
They'd all been warned
And the walls came down
They stood there laughing
They're not laughing anymore
The walls came down
Sanctuary fades
Congregation splits
Nightly military raids
The congregation splits
It's a song of assassins
Ringin' in your ears
We got terrorist thinking
Playing on fears
Well they blew the horns
And the walls came down
They'd all been warned
But the walls came down
I don't think there are any Russians
And there ain't no Yanks
Just corporate criminals
Playin' with tanks
Walls came down
The Call
______________________________________________________________________
The way I see it the world has been under the grip of the corrupt US federal reserve banking system for way too long, most of the wars involving the US have been with countries/entities that don't do what they're told by these corrupt bankers/criminals.
The world took a major turn for the worst when JFK tried to cut them out of the loop (the private company known as the US federal reserve) and replace their corrupt system with a rational sustainable system that could be regulated. They had him killed and their greed reached new levels and spread around the globe like a curse.
Executive order 11110
Now we have moves to cut these pricks and their cohorts (the US federal reserve, the world bank & IMF) out of the scene on an international level with the BRICS nations plan.
BRICS Nations new world bank
If the BRICS scheme gains any momentum (which it certainly will - the US bankers have pissed off/impoverished many nations) the current world bankers will have two choices.
1 Become subservient to the new world elite
2 All out thermo nuclear war
Any US citizens reading this please don't take offence at my words, as when I say US bankers I refer to an international cartel. The institutions administering this system are largely US based so I use the term US bankers as an abbreviation for the sake of convenience.
I have no issues with US citizens and have found most people from the US that I have personally dealt with to have higher moral standards than most of my fellow countrymen.
My gripe is with the corrupt political system and banking systems based in the USA.
The Day Tripper
Rennasauce Man
Not going to happen imho.
They're more of a "hey don't f*** with us" weapon than something that would ever be used. Too much risk involved. All it takes is one country deploying/firing icbms, and everyone freaks and does the same, or (hopefully) the idiotic person who pressed the button gets those satanic missiles shot down, and the whole world makes sure they will never have the capability to do so ever again. For everyone's interest in self preservation against MAD.
I'd be more worried about dirty bombs in the hands of extremists, and the political/civil liberties fallout from such an event. IT would make the national security mess post 9/11 look like child's play.
I think what we did back in japan at the end of WW2 will be enough to keep world leaders from ever deploying nuclear weapons, i can't say the same for non-state entities though.
I think we should take all the nukes apart from every nuclear armed country, & put all that enriched fuel towards small scale reactors that are redundantly safe, for space travel, and power generation.
But first we need to design a foolproof small scale reactor that is impossible to disassemble, has no maintenance requirements, and can be put on a rocket and shot into space when its depleted. Then install them in a distributed manner, rather than big plants with dangerous reactor designs, that have to be located in high risk areas like near the coastline for cooling.
I'd rather have a foolproof mini-reactor that's encased in a few feet of lead, steel, and concrete locally. The technology isn't impossible, there's designs out there, they just need to be considered as the only safe form of nuclear power generation.
Putting reactors on coastlines, (often near fault-lines) and the crazy dangerously engineered plants we have now, is a recipe for disaster we have only just begun to get a taste of.
They're more of a "hey don't f*** with us" weapon than something that would ever be used. Too much risk involved. All it takes is one country deploying/firing icbms, and everyone freaks and does the same, or (hopefully) the idiotic person who pressed the button gets those satanic missiles shot down, and the whole world makes sure they will never have the capability to do so ever again. For everyone's interest in self preservation against MAD.
I'd be more worried about dirty bombs in the hands of extremists, and the political/civil liberties fallout from such an event. IT would make the national security mess post 9/11 look like child's play.
I think what we did back in japan at the end of WW2 will be enough to keep world leaders from ever deploying nuclear weapons, i can't say the same for non-state entities though.
I think we should take all the nukes apart from every nuclear armed country, & put all that enriched fuel towards small scale reactors that are redundantly safe, for space travel, and power generation.
But first we need to design a foolproof small scale reactor that is impossible to disassemble, has no maintenance requirements, and can be put on a rocket and shot into space when its depleted. Then install them in a distributed manner, rather than big plants with dangerous reactor designs, that have to be located in high risk areas like near the coastline for cooling.
I'd rather have a foolproof mini-reactor that's encased in a few feet of lead, steel, and concrete locally. The technology isn't impossible, there's designs out there, they just need to be considered as the only safe form of nuclear power generation.
Putting reactors on coastlines, (often near fault-lines) and the crazy dangerously engineered plants we have now, is a recipe for disaster we have only just begun to get a taste of.
In an ideal world....dio said:
It's just that the only thing in the past that has been an irresistible motivator for change has been war, destruction, disease. But you're right, it would just force more people deeper into survival mode, at least at first.
Not that we need some messiah to save us, but I think after a nuclear war, when we're at our lowest, if the right leader came and taught us how to behave as real human beings, that would be my vision of the future of humanity.
That was my train of thought, more political extremists and terrorists with "dirty" bombs, which could ignite a global nuclear war.The Day Tripper said:
I don't think Hiroshima and Nagasaki will stop world leaders from firing nuclear weapons. Especially if they feel it's "justified", just as those bombs at the end of WW2 felt "justified" to many people.
If your country was bombed, by terrorists from say, Russia. You believed they were operating under official military orders. Would you not respond? Most likely with a bomb of your own? You don't want to appear soft, then you'll have everyone bombing you and taking all your toys.
"We as a nation must defend our freedoms from evil entities who wish nothing but death and destruction to reign across the globe. We must do humanity a service and remove the offending limb, to save the rest of the organism."
Blah, blah, blah, I can hear it already.
Parshvik Chintan
Esteemed member
as far as north korea goes, i think paper tigers know they ought not bite.
as for the rest of human history: we can only hope it isn't.
as for the rest of human history: we can only hope it isn't.
Nathanial.Dread
Esteemed member
I'm not sure I GLOBAL thermonuclear war as an inevitability, but I am almost certain that we can expect to see a small regional exchange of nukes here sometime in the next fifty years.
I'm thinking that it's most likely to be in the Middle East: Israel and some other nuclear powered mostly-Muslim country exchanging a few.
The thing about nuclear war is that it's not a sustainable kind of warfare: you really quickly blow yourself and your enemy to absolute smithereens, and countries that are not directly involved will probably hesitate to use their own WMDs because the death toll is so catastrophic and so they'll be afraid of inviting nuclear retaliation.
I think that somewhere WAY WAY down the line, we're probably due for some kind of apocalyptic war as a nation that will radically alter civilizations (either break it, or serve as a wake-up call), but I certainly don't expect to live to see that.
Won't be for hundreds and hundreds of years, although I can imagine a few scenarios that might crop up in the next few decades that might come close.
I'm thinking that it's most likely to be in the Middle East: Israel and some other nuclear powered mostly-Muslim country exchanging a few.
The thing about nuclear war is that it's not a sustainable kind of warfare: you really quickly blow yourself and your enemy to absolute smithereens, and countries that are not directly involved will probably hesitate to use their own WMDs because the death toll is so catastrophic and so they'll be afraid of inviting nuclear retaliation.
I think that somewhere WAY WAY down the line, we're probably due for some kind of apocalyptic war as a nation that will radically alter civilizations (either break it, or serve as a wake-up call), but I certainly don't expect to live to see that.
Won't be for hundreds and hundreds of years, although I can imagine a few scenarios that might crop up in the next few decades that might come close.
Oblighul and Cyb: yep.
There are too many strong motivations to resist nuclear war. So for these and other reasons I think the possibility of a superpower vs superpower 10,000 warhead exchange is just no longer on the table.
But there will be extremists with nukes and without checks and balances, without sanity. Probably in the Middle East. Dirty bombs, even more possible. Damaged aging nuclear reactors- a virtual certainty. Plus, we STILL don't have a permanent place to dispose of nuclear waste. Maybe there's no such thing.
Whatever the case may be, the presence of nukes in our world serves as a powerful symbol, a reminder that we are literally capable of annihilating ourselves. Along with every other living thing. Lets hope we are at least grown up enough to avoid that as a collective outcome.
There are too many strong motivations to resist nuclear war. So for these and other reasons I think the possibility of a superpower vs superpower 10,000 warhead exchange is just no longer on the table.
But there will be extremists with nukes and without checks and balances, without sanity. Probably in the Middle East. Dirty bombs, even more possible. Damaged aging nuclear reactors- a virtual certainty. Plus, we STILL don't have a permanent place to dispose of nuclear waste. Maybe there's no such thing.
Whatever the case may be, the presence of nukes in our world serves as a powerful symbol, a reminder that we are literally capable of annihilating ourselves. Along with every other living thing. Lets hope we are at least grown up enough to avoid that as a collective outcome.
A nuclear war is not longer possible? Just because russia is not the "bad guy" any more? Imagine the government of the US, Russia or China losses control over their country. In the big chaotic breakdown, what kind of people will gain control over the military bases with their warheads, their bombers, their nuclear submarines?
No empire is for ever, but where previous cultures just collapsed and the leftover people had to deal with their own buissness, we now can have small militant groups with way to powerful weapons... Will they really be afraid to use these weapons? I really don't think so. As soon as the current system really gets out of ballance we will have to deal with a very serious threat of nuclear annhilation. Everywhere in the world!
No empire is for ever, but where previous cultures just collapsed and the leftover people had to deal with their own buissness, we now can have small militant groups with way to powerful weapons... Will they really be afraid to use these weapons? I really don't think so. As soon as the current system really gets out of ballance we will have to deal with a very serious threat of nuclear annhilation. Everywhere in the world!
ntwhtyouknw
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It certainly is a possibility in the future, but what I see coming of our present situation is a preemptive strike on North Korea by the U.S. even if it goes against U.N. wishes like when Bush toppled Sadam Hussein in search of "WMD" which were never found. Surely North Korea wants to nuke us, they have been talking about it since 911 as we have been tossing equal threats their way. So if they truly do have the missles they claim can hit the US mainland Im sure they will try, unless the US goes on and topples them first, which I feel is most likely scenario.
ntwhtyouknw
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Japan has the greatest concern of being struck, which no matter what, if N Korea fires a missle at anyone US will act immediately and take them out. China, N Koreas only ally is even backing off, like c'mon man chill Kim, but it does add a twist to the situatiin that China has sworn to protect them no matter what. Its difficult to imagine China sideing with Korea in this situation. Although Ive read that Iran is sharing military tech. whith N Korea so there is a chance they could have a missle capable of hitting US though the world leaders are mostly doubtful.
All in all I dont see the situation playing down anytime soon and I feel a war is iminent.
All in all I dont see the situation playing down anytime soon and I feel a war is iminent.
It sure is not the Sword of Damocles it was when Nemo Amicus and when I were children. Seems to me if it's going to happen it's going to be what used to be called a "limited nuclear war," i.e. it could have global climatic and political ramifications but the actual exchange of weapons will be quite small and limited to just a couple or few countries. As if that wouldn't be bad enough.
And yet it seems that every time someone joins the Nuclear Club, they wave their missiles/genitalia around for awhile, maybe even test a couple to prove they've "got the power," then seem to come to the realization that they cannot use them. Pretty much like the superpowers did back in my youth.
Regardless, I do know that we live in and will continue to live in very interesting times.
And yet it seems that every time someone joins the Nuclear Club, they wave their missiles/genitalia around for awhile, maybe even test a couple to prove they've "got the power," then seem to come to the realization that they cannot use them. Pretty much like the superpowers did back in my youth.
Regardless, I do know that we live in and will continue to live in very interesting times.
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