Hello all, I am wondering about everyone's experience with the hyperspace spirits. In my experience, they have never actually talked to me, they just seem to suggest things telepathically. This frustrates me a little since I always feel there is something I am not quite grasping fully. If the spirits are real as many of you feel, and as I want to believe, I feel that they would purvey messages in language. The way they just seem to imply things without talking suggests to me that they are merely manifestations of the subconscious, exposing our inner thoughts and desires. Have any of you actually experienced verbal communications with spirits where they actually talk to you in words?
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Good question. I have no idea if these things are real. I wish i did id sleep better I think. For me I lean to the real side but have no way to back that up with anything tangible. I think its best to not even worry about it but to procede.
Ive had some pretty amazing one on one's with what ever the hell they are and one thing that I noticed and was reinforced in a journey i was given is this; it's just how they communicate. Ive never had one single memory of anythings mouth moving and words coming out. Maybe thats just me. Words to the spirit's or entities would be like us communicating with smoke signals.
I was shown and given the chance to practice the method of determining what are your thoughts and what are the spirits messages. It can be done and when you get it its very easy and the difference is clear and things no longer feel confusing. It took working with aya full time for many weeks but it came early on.
Again this is just my 2 cents. maybe people get their ears chattered off by spirits but for me its always mental telepethy.
Ive had some pretty amazing one on one's with what ever the hell they are and one thing that I noticed and was reinforced in a journey i was given is this; it's just how they communicate. Ive never had one single memory of anythings mouth moving and words coming out. Maybe thats just me. Words to the spirit's or entities would be like us communicating with smoke signals.
I was shown and given the chance to practice the method of determining what are your thoughts and what are the spirits messages. It can be done and when you get it its very easy and the difference is clear and things no longer feel confusing. It took working with aya full time for many weeks but it came early on.
Again this is just my 2 cents. maybe people get their ears chattered off by spirits but for me its always mental telepethy.
Ya I lean towards the real as well, but who's to say that makes them not real just because they are manifested in your mind. It could be they exist as manifestations of your mind. Maybe that's their existence. Who knows. It sure seems real.
as far as communication goes, what I have experienced is that it's way more efficient the way they are doing it. Like mon said, human language is like smoke signals. Your only in for 5-10 minutes so they would have to talk pretty fast, and as it stands it still seems like way more information than I can receive. Plus its more than just info, it's emotion and instant understanding of the whole that you receive. Not something our language can explain in a short amount if time.
I prefer it this way honestly. I enjoy experiencing this language that is so alien yet so familiar.
as far as communication goes, what I have experienced is that it's way more efficient the way they are doing it. Like mon said, human language is like smoke signals. Your only in for 5-10 minutes so they would have to talk pretty fast, and as it stands it still seems like way more information than I can receive. Plus its more than just info, it's emotion and instant understanding of the whole that you receive. Not something our language can explain in a short amount if time.
I prefer it this way honestly. I enjoy experiencing this language that is so alien yet so familiar.
The sheer speed and thoroughness of communicating with thought and emotion is the only logical manner to communicate in hyperspace.
Interesting, and generally my thoughts as well. I just started smoking Changa and now prefer it to freebase because it's a bit gentler and gives you more time to process things, but still not quite enough time in my opinion. I am going to start working with aya soon and hope that can help answer some of the questions I have. On the idea of communicating through thought, I agree this is the more efficient means of communication, but wouldn't you think that the spirits would have the ability to use words when you specifically ask them to?
somethingsintheway
Rising Star
After doing DMT, I have more trouble deciding whether the state we are existing in now is real or not. Is this real? Is what we are doing now real? The spirits real? I definetly feel like that world is more real than this world. But who knows?
I know this saying gets thrown around a lot. But i think its important not to be forgotten, especially in a conversation like this.
But what is the difference between 'real' and 'not real'.
Anything that you ever experience is ultimately a manifestation of your own brain. Even the sight of your computer infront of you right now is self-manifested. The word 'psychedelic' can also be translated to 'mind-manifesting'.
If you think, feel and believe something is true. Then it is as 'real' as anything else. What is 'real' is all decided and locked in by the individual. And the beings or spirits in 'hyperspace' are things that go beyond the usual comprehension of your imagination. So if the information isn't pre-concieved by your brain and it is somewhat 'new information' then where else could it come from. How could your brain 'make it up' if it goes beyond anything your mind has ever concieved?
I believe 'they' are as real as daylight. And if you were to speak to the amazonian shamans they will tell you they are as real as the trees and the dirt. And who is really qualified to question or doubt their knowledge ?
.... As for 'them' not speaking in english. It was us who made up our language. A language that has been twisted, reformed and manipulated over thousands of years. A language that contradicts itself, and manipulates those who use it. Look through the dictionary and the definitions of many of the words we use. You'll find that a lot of words have no true factality behind them. English is a true mess of a language to communicate with. And i feel is part of the reason why we find reality so hard to understand and comprehend. English and many other languages (if not all) just dont tick all the boxes when it comes to fully percieving what is 'real' and total.
Its also important to remember that every second we receive 3 billion or so bits of information. But our conscious brain only interprets something like 2 thousand odd bits. So what is the substance of the remaining 2 billion + bits of information that we dont fully connect with?.......... Theres obviously a hell of a lot more to the 'reality' puzzle that we are missing.
But what is the difference between 'real' and 'not real'.
Anything that you ever experience is ultimately a manifestation of your own brain. Even the sight of your computer infront of you right now is self-manifested. The word 'psychedelic' can also be translated to 'mind-manifesting'.
If you think, feel and believe something is true. Then it is as 'real' as anything else. What is 'real' is all decided and locked in by the individual. And the beings or spirits in 'hyperspace' are things that go beyond the usual comprehension of your imagination. So if the information isn't pre-concieved by your brain and it is somewhat 'new information' then where else could it come from. How could your brain 'make it up' if it goes beyond anything your mind has ever concieved?
I believe 'they' are as real as daylight. And if you were to speak to the amazonian shamans they will tell you they are as real as the trees and the dirt. And who is really qualified to question or doubt their knowledge ?
.... As for 'them' not speaking in english. It was us who made up our language. A language that has been twisted, reformed and manipulated over thousands of years. A language that contradicts itself, and manipulates those who use it. Look through the dictionary and the definitions of many of the words we use. You'll find that a lot of words have no true factality behind them. English is a true mess of a language to communicate with. And i feel is part of the reason why we find reality so hard to understand and comprehend. English and many other languages (if not all) just dont tick all the boxes when it comes to fully percieving what is 'real' and total.
Its also important to remember that every second we receive 3 billion or so bits of information. But our conscious brain only interprets something like 2 thousand odd bits. So what is the substance of the remaining 2 billion + bits of information that we dont fully connect with?.......... Theres obviously a hell of a lot more to the 'reality' puzzle that we are missing.
They usually talk to me in telepathic communication - kind of like possessed thoughts. Sometimes in English, though usually not. The one time where I had an entity talking to me where it wasn't simply telepathic, but a full-blown audio hallucination in English with perfect grammar was on my second encounter with the godhead. It had a very deep and grand, cascading-echoing voice that was paradoxically small and jubilant. It was saying real things that made perfect sense, but I was being bombarded by such a plethora of information that I can only vaguely remember the quality of the voice and not much at all of the contents.
propellerhead
Rising Star
somethingsintheway said:
imo..
This world is real to the extent that you are observing it. If you are in observance, the quantum wave collapses or is de-modulated and matter coalesces.
If there is no one to observe and hear the tree fall in the forest, does the tree or forest actually exist?
psychedelic
Rising Star
I've never broken through but if by 'real' you mean they are a living conscious being then maybe. Maybe it's some sort of energy and the spirits you see are a way for you to understand what you need to know. Sort of like translation from conscious energy to the way our brains can interpret it to our understanding:roll:
mad_banshee
Rising Star
spiceitup said:
I think spirits are real in the sense that the spirits are you. All your experiences in life tied with your emotional state of mind, creativity, and your levels of energy make you full of spirits that you sometimes outwardly extend as happiness or sadness, but there is a whole other level of these combinations of spirits in your subconcious that DMT enables you to see. I think they are as real as your wildest imaginations.
I think they are as real as you yourself or anything else for that matter. I believe they are highly evolved archetypes of your true self. Manifold forms of that Self..that consciousness that runs through you. Internal teachers made apparent when the addition of a particular chemical.....with dmt being at the top of that heap. They help you find your way back to YOU...simply.
But just because they're "inside" doesn't make them any less valid to me...for everything we experience through our senses is "inside" essentially.
But just because they're "inside" doesn't make them any less valid to me...for everything we experience through our senses is "inside" essentially.
The Electric Hippy
Glitch Modulator
It IS a little odd that we all see the same thing(s)...
As far as the beings being "real" or not, I don't think it matters in the end. As long as the lessons that are taught are being absorbed, they've served their purpose.
As far as the beings being "real" or not, I don't think it matters in the end. As long as the lessons that are taught are being absorbed, they've served their purpose.
I believe the experience to be as real as you make it. That being said I take my experiences as real.. And I have had them communicate to me in English... They actually have a much better vocab than I can ever imagine having...many times they have given me certain words for which I did not know the meaning and had to look up later only to find that it pertained to my exact question or situation I had at the time. When ever they do speak to me their words seem carefully chosen and often have a profound double edged sword effect. With few words much is said.
I sort of think the "entities" are very playful by nature and get a kick out of watching our reactions to the things they do to us.. For example I have had many encounters where the Entity upon noticing my surprise at seeing them flies right up just inches from my face in order to further surprise me.
I think they like to play silent lots of the time, just to force us to deal with them on their empathetic/telepathic terms. In other words they like to teach us to speak their language because it because to them it is a more effective mode of communication than speaking words.
I sort of think the "entities" are very playful by nature and get a kick out of watching our reactions to the things they do to us.. For example I have had many encounters where the Entity upon noticing my surprise at seeing them flies right up just inches from my face in order to further surprise me.
I think they like to play silent lots of the time, just to force us to deal with them on their empathetic/telepathic terms. In other words they like to teach us to speak their language because it because to them it is a more effective mode of communication than speaking words.
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