Does Death Exist?

[Voidwalk]

Does Death Exist? New Theory Says 'No'

Many of us fear death. We believe in death because we have been told we will die. We associate with the body, and we know that bodies die. But a new scientific theory suggests death is not the end.

www.huffingtonpost.com

Good read.

 

[christian]

An interesting read, and i wish there were more like that. I think this really summed up the issues most people get stuck on:

After the death of his son, Emerson wrote "Our life is not so much threatened as our perception. I grieve that grief can teach me nothing, nor carry me one step into real nature."

It's usually only at times of death that we start to look for answers like "what's it all about, etc". This is when people turn to the church for comfort, etc. This to me is the sign that what's lacking in todays society is the almost zero understanding and faith in the fact that death is simply a part of a healthy life. The psychadelic experience may help fill in the gaps of the unknown and offer the greatest comfort to those who grieve, not because a loved one has died, but more because they "don't know" about the massiveness of this life and death thing, they are too stuck on this "you live then you die and that's it", notion..And they think that reincarnation and meditation, etc, is all hokus pokus, etc.

If people had more of these type experiences in a controlled manner during their lifetimes, than i'm sure we would have a different understanding of death.

Surely the only thing to be sad about death must be that perhaps one didn't live their life according to their true beliefs? A life lived honestly has no regrets, and surely death is something to welcome rather than fear?

 

[nen888]

..thanks voidwalk,
i fuzzily recall a film in which an african funeral director is interviewed, and asked how he remains such a cheery undertaker..does he believe in life after death? ..to which he responds 'It's not that there is life after death..it is that after life there is death..they are two sides of the same coin..' (or words to that effect)

in other words, life>death is a continuum (not an ending)
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[Ice House]

Thanks for sharing, great read.

My belief is that this experience is an infinite holographic existence with infinte out comes. Nice to read a little piece that jives with what I have turning in my brain. lol

 

[gibran2]

It was an interesting article, but it doesn’t really answer the question. It seemed to suggest that, since infinite different versions of “you” exist, you don’t really die when your current version dies. The larger “you” continues. (Maybe I misinterpreted the article, but that's what I got out of it.)

This isn’t really comforting – it’s a bit like telling your identical twin who’s facing death, “Don’t worry, you’re not really dead as long as I, your genetic duplicate, am alive.”

The article is firmly locked into the primacy of matter paradigm. The primacy of consciousness paradigm is at least as likely to be true. If consciousness “creates” physical existence, then of course it exists outside of physical existence and outside of physical death.

 

[Dethrone]

I lived most of my life hoping I would live forever in heaven or be reincarnated or some kind of afterlife.Then I had
my first DMT experience and got a good idea what forever and eternity were really like.At first it scared the hell out of me and I decided maybe I want to die after all,or what if I wanted to die but couldnt?

Now I come to the conclusion that even if life is eternal that is probably the reason we dont remember past lives if that is the way it happens.

 

[blueskiesbri]

As my experiences thus far have only been with Salvia Divinorum and more recently, cannabis, I'd like to mention that I've had this same feeling/thought/epiphany. I consider myself a deep thinker (in my own mind, that is. hehehe) and I also journal. It occurred to me at some point that perhaps we never really know when we die. Now, I know you're saying "well, if you don't feel pain when you bite your tongue or pinch your arm then you must be dead", but for some reason I just felt like there may be a way that we leave this consensus reality and yet still are somehow living and continuing on. I don't know, the way I'm typing it out right now sounds absolutely preposterous, but it sounded good in my head.

I just wanted to thank you for sharing this article. It helped validate some thoughts I had about the subject, and reminded me that both life AND death are precious.

 

[SaLiXeM]

The feeling of death is so melancholic, Thinking of you are gonna die in few minutes. I had this feeling on a high dosage of DXM. I did some flashbacks too. Also deep thinking about death makes me feel hopeless and empty. As there is no escape from death I try to live my life as I want. I don't want to act as other people want from me.Coz this is the real ME and my life and I'm having one chance to live.

 

[hixidom]

blueskiesbri, I would say that if I'm able to think about pinching my arm or biting my tongue, then I couldn't possibly be dead. It just depends on what your definition of death is. I define death as a state of nonexistence, so "what will happen to me after I die" is an impossible concept. I don't think your idea is preposterous. Indeed it would seem impossible for a person to tell if he/she were dead since the center of one's consciousness is not really something that one can probe from outside of one's self. I would say that if you are able to question whether or not you are dead, then you're not dead.

I don't think that death exists. The way I see it, "alive" is an attribute that defines "me". So there's no way for there to be a dead me. I guess there could be a nonexistent me... unless I claim that "exists" is also an attribute that defines "me", but then I would also have to prove that the universe abides by some sort of law of conservation of souls. So I guess that argument is out for now. Anyways, I would have to agree with gibran2's point. If I truly am a conscious entity in the way I imagine myself to be - if this is an idealistic universe - then I cannot die. On the other hand, if this is a materialistic universe, then determinism applies, in which case I wouldn't really be a living/conscious being in the first place. So I can't imagine any possible universes in which death is possible; only universes in which consciousness is impossible.

 

[Walter D. Roy]

What I got from this is that they say that the individual particles themselves contain the energy to decided spontaneously. This though does not answer the question of whether "you" die or not. The most common thing applied by death, means that you stop existing. In a pragmatic sense, and in a spiritual sense. You pass on, to the afterlife. So with an after life I dont think death would change at all. And this seems to enhance that argument. But if I were to die, and my "energy" only carry on. Would my consciousness, even if it is altered as I know it still retain itself? Or do the individual particles, become as they are. Individual particle.

Just my take on it,

Walter

 

[parallelwhispers]

This is what dmt told me about three days ago.
I knew it.