Does dmt freebase precipitate out in water?

[prottel]

Just wondering if I add sodium carbonate to get the pH of a mimosa brew to about 10, will the dmt freebase precipitate out? It does with harmine and harmaline, is dmt different?

 

[Sands of Time]

im reviving this thread because im wondering the same thing. is there something i can add to the based solution to make the alkaloids crash out?

 

[Purges]

No, because there is not a high enough concentration of DMT in solution for it to crash out. I think.

However, you can Dissolve DMT fumarate in (a minimal amount of) water and crash it out in a similar way to harmalas using sodium carbonate, its on the WIKI, check it out

 

[Jees]

Now that would eliminate the NP solvent step, would be nice.

This comes out the
Pictorial Guide to Caapi Vine Alkaloid Extraction

Apoc wrote:
HEY!!!!!! Just wondering, why wouldn't this work with mimosa tea?

gibran2 wrote:
I asked myself the same question, and then decided to experiment: For some reason, DMT simply doesn’t precipitate out of mimosa solution. There are substances in mimosa that “bind” or otherwise tie up the DMT, preventing it from aggregating and precipitating.

I once dissolved a bit of DMT in vinegar, diluted it, and then added a bit of NaOH and the DMT precipitates out quite nicely, so it’s not the DMT itself that is the problem, but rather something in the mimosa.

 

[Sands of Time]

thanks for the quote, thats very interesting. this reminds me of the very first tek that i used where the guy added calcium ascorbate. just out of a curiosity im thinking it might have something to do with the tannins, in mimosa is dmt present as DMT-tannate? is there a reason the dmt would stay attatched to the tannins (base) and only seperate by the aid of solvent?

 

[endlessness]

Doesnt work. Search for the 'water only tek' here, it should be in the sustainable extractions subforum. Someone mentioned it was working, several people tried and it didnt.

It seems that when there is a very crude mix, the DMT does not precipitate well out of a solution. It does work with relatively pure DMT in salt form, for example if you already extracted and have some DMT fumarate, and you dissolve in water, then add sodium carb solution and let it in the fridge for a few days (it's all described in BLAB tek and in the fumaric/salting subforum).

DMT acetate (when salting a non-polar with vinegar), will NOT precipitate with sodium carbonate solution but it does with NaOH according to some people's experience (but it did not work with me the only time I tried it)

 

[Sands of Time]

Doesnt work. Search for the 'water only tek' here, it should be in the sustainable extractions subforum. Someone mentioned it was working, several people tried and it didnt.

It seems that when there is a very crude mix, the DMT does not precipitate well out of a solution. It does work with relatively pure DMT in salt form, for example if you already extracted and have some DMT fumarate, and you dissolve in water, then add sodium carb solution and let it in the fridge for a few days (it's all described in BLAB tek and in the fumaric/salting subforum).

DMT acetate (when salting a non-polar with vinegar), will NOT precipitate with sodium carbonate solution but it does with NaOH according to some people's experience (but it did not work with me the only time I tried it)

did you read my previous post, if what i was describing there does occur(tannins binding with the freebase, if thats theoretically possible. and these tannins being responsible for no precipitation). then it would completely account for what you have just stated about past results. my question: is synthed dmt white or clear?

i understand everything you're talking about, recently got acquainted with salting methods via search function. my deal here is finding out (by experiment if neccissary) if i can disable this possible effect of the tannins.

EDIT: perhaps all the people who tried it extracted from MHRB, but the person making the claims had extracted from an acacia and the tannins function differently. im just asking because this might be an avenue people haven't explored fully.

 

[prottel]

Here is two pictures from my experiments with basing mimosa after extracting and reducing the brew. What you see floating on top is the dmt. It is not pure, but it is there.

 

[Sands of Time]

so if you allowed it to settle, would that be all the dmt precipitated? i feel the answer is no.
I saw a tek years ago for acacia where during the acid stages calcium ascorbate (Vit C) was added. would this alter anything in the way that dmt in the water reacts with ph change? or perhaps im looking at this all the wrong way, and the dmt on the surface in the picture is not cloudy precipitate but saturated water solvent.

FB dmt is soluble in basified water? im not sure if i even understand solubility correctly yet, my understanding is that dmt will be 'in solution' in water because of the acidity, or am i wrong on this. just because theres no acid to create a dmt salt does not mean that it isnt soluble in water, because water is like a solvent? polar, non polar. would using demineralised water vs tap water effect any attempt of decanting crystals in extraction stages? (for the purpose of xtal cleanup in place of the rest of an extraction)

 

[Jees]

I cannot find the source back, but i've read that ph 1 or below will (can?) destroy the tannins.
Dagger, by reducing your tea you might have hit those low ph levels, have you checked that?