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Does Dmt make other modalities irrelevant?

yatyas314

yatyas314

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As my technique is getting better I am getting through almost every time, a couple nights ago I was just starting to regain coherent thought and the first thought was why am I doing any other modality other than this? has anyone else had this thought? I appreciate all feedback.
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In the beginning, it may feel like this is all you want, as if nothing else matters. But over time, you’ll start to realize that this isn’t entirely true. For me tripping helps me see the beauty of the world around me, the richness of life itself. The experiences you’re having now on your trips, they should be the cherry on top, not the foundation of your life.

Unfortunately, for many, things don’t end on a positive note after this initial phase. At some point, a trip might take you somewhere you don’t want to go, and suddenly, returning to hyperspace doesn’t feel as easy anymore.

Believe me, it’s the things that stay, when the high fades, that matter.
 
Unique knowledge and experiences are available through any and all modalities. Each psychedelic is unique and offers their own medicine and vision. Life itself is a trip and as Varallo alluded to, as many of these experiences require a mindful inspection and integration to truly get the most of out any psychedelic experience. It really is apples and oranges and mangos. No need to compare. Just enjoy the variety of delicious fruit. It's all relevant.

DMT does offer such a powerful experience that it can seem to be the end all and be all of psychedelic experiences. I thought Terence Mckenna was funny when he stated, 'If it's possible to get any more loaded, get it away from me.' It can seem like the center of the mandala. The highest high.
 
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Everything has it's place. Comparing modalities in this way is like comparing apples to oranges, or even more, comparing colors.

Use the right tool for the right job. It's not all about "downloads" of knowledge in these matters. Healing and exploration comes in many shapes, sizes, textures, and consistencies.

One love
 
Sorry, I was redundant. I saw this at the gym and just responded without fully reading these other great response.

I do have one more note.
Varallo said:
Unfortunately, for many, things don’t end on a positive note after this initial phase. At some point, a trip might take you somewhere you don’t want to go, and suddenly, returning to hyperspace doesn’t feel as easy anymore.
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This made me laugh. I've gone the distance my fair share of times, but I don't "breakthrough" on purpose right now. I'm a regular user and it terrifies me. I've just learned to be with the fear better and better. My not going as far isn't just out of fear, but is just part of my present process. And this present process has unlocked something that I don't think I would have had I always tried to a have a "breakthrough" experience.

But, as @Varallo is hinting at, it can, and usually does, get real for many. It's not all sunshine and rainbows, and being the enigmatic jesters that these experiences are and that we find in these experiences, downloads from the space could be tricks in and of themselves.

One love
 
I appreciate the feedback, I am speaking from a deficit as I have only experienced three modalities but mainly the spice and Psilo. Maybe a better way to say it is now that I am getting better technique with spice it feels like I use psilo so much less in fact almost not at all. Maybe the better question would be have any of you found DMT to be the most useful and has it replaced any of your other strategies.
Thank you.
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yatyas314 said:
Maybe the better question would be have any of you found DMT to be the most useful and has it replaced any of your other strategies.
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Can you be more specific here? Strategies for what exactly.

Try this on: each medicine is it's own medicine and we employ different modalities/protocols with different medicines (and sometimes the same or a similar modality/protocol for different medicines; it all depends).

Example: Sometimes I have a mushroom ceremony. Often, DMT or changa will be on the side. There is a reason for this.

I am as of right now focused on DMT and harmalas, but I've done my fair share of mushrooms. It's about what we allot our time to in many ways.

One love
 
yatyas314 said:
I appreciate the feedback, I am speaking from a deficit as I have only experienced three modalities but mainly the spice and Psilo. Maybe a better way to say it is now that I am getting better technique with spice it feels like I use psilo so much less in fact almost not at all. Maybe the better question would be have any of you found DMT to be the most useful and has it replaced any of your other strategies.
Thank you.
Y
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Three teachers stand before you. You choose the teacher that offers the lessons that are most intriguing to you at this moment in time. Each teacher has lessons to offer that can enhance, synergize or reinforce the teachings of each other. Right now DMT calls to you. Nothing wrong with that.

DMT is not always the most useful in my mind, if we are assigning values. Sometimes I don't have a clue what to do with the experience, at times either not remembering the totality of it all or it just being so absurd and chaotic that there is no way to make heads or tails of anything. I find DMT to act as more of a reset button in my mind. Takes me out of the ego sometimes entirely and that in and of itself is calming, liberating and profound in many ways. This kind of experience is so strong that it can feel like mushrooms or LSD could never hold a candle to it.

However this is not the case at all. I have had very strong experiences with other psychedelics that DMT could never provide. For one a certain level of coherency and the "I" is largely still involved, sometimes taking a backseat but nonetheless much more present than in the DMT realms. Mushrooms feels like the most like a teacher to me, I have specifically felt like a lesson was being conveyed. Higher doses of mushrooms can feel and present very similarly to DMT as well. LSD allowed me for a child like wonderment. A certain level of completely letting go of reality can be achieved with higher doses of LSD, the mind becomes entranced, massaged with light and reality bends. MDMA melted me into a pool of love.(Best way I can put it.) I became love itself and my ego was hardly there at all. Aya broke me down and built me up from the foundations up, showing me that I was the architect all along.

I have had breakthrough experiences with all of these psychedelics and would never say that one is better than the other, more useful than the other, better or lesser teacher than the other. They each hold their weight in gold.

You may have rephrased your question, but the answer remains the same. A question I pose would be 'why you feel DMT is the most useful or relevant to you at this moment?' I think if we talk about that we could get to the nitty gritty of what you are ultimately getting at. I totality get where you are coming from though. I do. Just work with it until another teacher calls to you or the classroom bell rings to change classes.
 
Tripolation said:
Three teachers stand before you. You choose the teacher that offers the lessons that are most intriguing to you at this moment in time. Each teacher has lessons to offer that can enhance, synergize or reinforce the teachings of each other. Right now DMT calls to you. Nothing wrong with that.

DMT is not always the most useful in my mind, if we are assigning values. Sometimes I don't have a clue what to do with the experience, at times either not remembering the totality of it all or it just being so absurd and chaotic that there is no way to make heads or tails of anything. I find DMT to act as more of a reset button in my mind. Takes me out of the ego sometimes entirely and that in and of itself is calming, liberating and profound in many ways. This kind of experience is so strong that it can feel like mushrooms or LSD could never hold a candle to it.

However this is not the case at all. I have had very strong experiences with other psychedelics that DMT could never provide. For one a certain level of coherency and the "I" is largely still involved, sometimes taking a backseat but nonetheless much more present than in the DMT realms. Mushrooms feels like the most like a teacher to me, I have specifically felt like a lesson was being conveyed. Higher doses of mushrooms can feel and present very similarly to DMT as well. LSD allowed me for a child like wonderment. A certain level of completely letting go of reality can be achieved with higher doses of LSD, the mind becomes entranced, massaged with light and reality bends. MDMA melted me into a pool of love.(Best way I can put it.) I became love itself and my ego was hardly there at all. Aya broke me down and built me up from the foundations up, showing me that I was the architect all along.

I have had breakthrough experiences with all of these psychedelics and would never say that one is better than the other, more useful than the other, better or lesser teacher than the other. They each hold their weight in gold.

You may have rephrased your question, but the answer remains the same. A question I pose would be 'why you feel DMT is the most useful or relevant to you at this moment?' I think if we talk about that we could get to the nitty gritty of what you are ultimately getting at. I totality get where you are coming from though. I do. Just work with it until another teacher calls to you or the classroom bell rings to change classes.
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Two reasons I would say DMT has become the most useful as of late. First being the logistical, I do not have to dedicate a entire day with it, with 3 young children this portion of my life requires a lot of work and I find that the 1 hour I get for meditation and breathwork has been the perfect time to get connected. Second, with my technique getting better the experiences feel and are just more moving and meaningful. Dmt is very powerful and has shown me things that are hard to articulate with just words but none the less potent and powerful and most of all really relevant to my day to day life. I probably on average get the calling once a week.
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Voidmatrix said:
Can you be more specific here? Strategies for what exactly.

Try this on: each medicine is it's own medicine and we employ different modalities/protocols with different medicines (and sometimes the same or a similar modality/protocol for different medicines; it all depends).

Example: Sometimes I have a mushroom ceremony. Often, DMT or changa will be on the side. There is a reason for this.

I am as of right now focused on DMT and harmalas, but I've done my fair share of mushrooms. It's about what we allot our time to in many ways.

One love
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Strategy is my way of saying whatever your reasons we all have strategies on how or what to use to achieve them. For example for the last 4 years I have had a micro dose/Macro dose Psilo strategy that really changed my life forever. Although now after having some really powerful DMT sessions I wonder if it has replaced my psilo strategy?
Overall the goal is to unwind some of weight I carry around and being introduced to high dose Psilocybin has me going down a path where I am off of most pharmaceutical interventions and as fast as I can unwinding the conventional medicine that I have been on since my military service ended 20 years ago. Its really hard to find anyone at least around where I live that has any experience in this space and even less with intentions of it replacing conventional western medicine with psychedelics.
Thanks again for your time and feedback.
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Tripolation said:
I think we all feel this way after any amount of time working with DMT. DMT is just the most amazing thing in the universe.

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Well so far in my personal experience it is the most amazing thing I have come into contact with. I just had another top notch blow your socks off experience that was borderline uncomfortable, which for me is a great marker for right where I want to be. Can anyone share how to stay in that place longer? I have harmaline HCL on hand but want to go slow and feel it out before going all in with both. Again all feedback is appreciated and welcomed. Thank you all for your knowledge and participation.
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DMT reminds me of that time in childhood when you'd lick a battery. It's new and weird but cool in a way you can't describe... and it tastes funny.


Jokes aside, I think everyone has laid down quite a bit of truth here already, so I won't take much time. It's all about getting what you need compared to the kind of time you can devote to the work/ritual/experience of various psychedelics. I dont think any substance is a "better teacher" than any other, it's about the way you interact with the Innerspace they can take you to.
 
Much goodness in this inquiry, thank you. As I see it, DMT is a mirror, much like any other substance, being, or reality. What I see is where I'm seeing from, (as in, the seer and the seen are one and the same). For those who know this to be so, all modalioties of exploration and insight are the same reflective process, just positioned slightly differently.
 
Well I have been on one for bout ten days going almost every night, And the funny thing happened. The DMT told me to go back and give psilocybin a go. so maybe wednesday( tomorrow I might just go for a 17 gram go.:coffee::unsure:
 
Too me each individual trip has something to teach you and has its own message to learn. Its not about achieving an ultimate something or the most anything. To me it's about being with yourself and seeing where your mind will take you while you are still conscious somewhere. It's like isolating yourself from your senses in a way. Each teacher plant peyote, DMT plants or animals, psylicibin (can never spell that right), ect isolates you in different ways and you can explore your mind in different ways. Just my thoughts.
 
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