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Does Harmala/Syrian Rue contain carbohydrates or any other regular minerals?
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Harmala seed will (being the embryo of a plant) contain carbohydrates, fats, protein, minerals, DNA, etc. along with the target secondary metabolites, only some proportion of the soluble representatives of each group which will end up dissolved in the rue tea.
If the amount of seed in your rue brew isn't more than, say, ten times the threshold allowable carbohydrate intake for the keto diet it seems highly unlikely to disrupt those goals.
It would be prudent to search for any and all available analyses of rue's nutritional content if this is something that still bothers you.
If the amount of seed in your rue brew isn't more than, say, ten times the threshold allowable carbohydrate intake for the keto diet it seems highly unlikely to disrupt those goals.
It would be prudent to search for any and all available analyses of rue's nutritional content if this is something that still bothers you.
Sabnock1990
Be Your Own Shaman
Speaking from experience, Harmalas/Rue can help aid in weight loss when regularly consumed and doesn't seem to get in the way of fat burning. I've been taking Rue pretty much daily/near daily for 12 years now, and within the last couple years got into cutting out a bunch of crap from my diet and pretty much going keto, but i'll still have carbs in my day to day, just kinda low carb but not really worrying about it too much, just overall trying not to overindulge ya know, still drink some soda, still eat some bread here and there, still eat some potatoes here and there, but for the most part i just eat meat and some veggies. In the last couple years since i've been playing around with my diet, i went from 220 pounds, down to currently 142 pounds but i didn't start getting more serious about things until the last say 6 months to a year, so the weight loss really picked up within the last few months, i'd probably be lower if i completely cut carbs but i'm just pacing myself for the most part and yet still slimmin' down.
Also good to keep in mind that Harmalas/Rue has some anti-diabetic properties, like through DYRK1A inhibition, and also seems to enhance GLP-1 in the hippocampus, and plus it can increase Noradrenaline levels, and also inhibits Acetylcholinesterase which increases Acetylcholine which may also have some fat burning/weight loss-inducing properties, and it may have other properties that contribute as well. Personally i find 1 to 3 grams of Rue to be a good daily supplemental dose, 4 grams is good too but rather strong for the daily consumer, 1 gram is a nice supplemental dose though.
Also good to keep in mind that Harmalas/Rue has some anti-diabetic properties, like through DYRK1A inhibition, and also seems to enhance GLP-1 in the hippocampus, and plus it can increase Noradrenaline levels, and also inhibits Acetylcholinesterase which increases Acetylcholine which may also have some fat burning/weight loss-inducing properties, and it may have other properties that contribute as well. Personally i find 1 to 3 grams of Rue to be a good daily supplemental dose, 4 grams is good too but rather strong for the daily consumer, 1 gram is a nice supplemental dose though.
Do you know if drinking a low dose of harmala tea will break water fast, like breaking the autophagy process?
And do you suspect that harmala contains enough electrolytes for it to be able to replace expensive electrolyte supplements?
If so, how much harmala should I add to 1L, maybe 1 gram or so?
I came across this information:
The macroelements comprise nitrogen (N), potassium (K), calcium (Ca), mag-
nesium (Mg), phosphorous (P), and sulfur (S). The second group of “micronutrients”
or “trace elements” is needed at much smaller concentrations in plant tissues and
comprises chloride (Cl), copper (Cu), manganese (Mn), iron (Fe), zinc (Zn), cobalt
(Co), molybdenum (Mo), and nickel (Ni). However this list is a generalization and
some authors might include minerals such as sodium (Na), and silicon (Si) [1].
For the qualitative and quantitative mineral identification, a mixture of nitric
acid and hydrochloric acid, optimally in a molar ratio of 1:3 (it is called "regal water"
or "king's water"), is added to 5 g seeds of P. harmala and digested in 90°C.
The digestion program is initiated and after completion and cooling of the d i-
gestion vessel, the sample solution is removed from the digestion cup using water and
mixed thoroughly. After settling an aliquot of about 1 ml is decanted and is reached to 100 ml.
This aliquot is then used for ICP-MS analysis.
As a result, the most spread mineral in the P. harmala seeds is phosphorus with
4214,3 ppm. Ca (1345,4 ppm), K (855,9 ppm), Mg (817,3 ppm), Cl (312,3 ppm), S
(281,2 ppm) follow the first element.
Harmala seeds 3,5g
Calories 30 (Calories from Fat 2)
Total fat 0.2g
Saturated fat 0g
Cholesterol 0mg
Sodium 43mg
Potassium 0mg
Total Carbohydrates 5g
Dietary fiber 0.2g
Sugar 0g
Protein 0.1g
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Sabnock1990
Be Your Own Shaman
I'm not sure about water fasts, but i know Harmalas/Rue can be rather dehydrating so you'll probably want to make sure you're drinking something here and there. As for electrolytes, i'm not sure but ime Harmalas can use up Magnesium, so it's probably best to supplement with some Magnesium, and maybe Potassium, i think Sodium and Calcium or what not should be fine in terms of getting it through our diet, but probably best to make sure anyways. But yeah i don't think Rue contains much in the way of electrolytes.
These figures look highly suspect, as highlighted above. Maybe it should be 0.5g carbohydrates.
Btw, the abbreviation "gr" stands for grains, which differs from grams as a unit of mass. The abbreviation for grams is "g". 3.5gr equates to 0.2267962g, which would make for a small pinch of seeds and could be used as a sublingual microdose.
This is over-translated, "aqua regia" is still the current term.
+1 for the magnesium tip, but the seeds clearly contain some amount of electrolytes in order for them to function.
I think I going to make 'Snake Juice' instead here is the recipe:
SNAKE JUICE RECIPE!
- Water=2L
- Potassium chloride =1 tsp
- Sodium chloride = 1/2 tsp
- Sodium Bicarbonate = 1 tsp
- Magnesium Sulphate = 1/2 tsp
* NO FRESH WATER THROUGHOUT THE DAY. ONLY SNAKE JUICE!
In the video, the guy says the following about Sodium Bicarbonate:
That the subject should buy the brand 'Red Mill' and that there is also a brand called 'Arm & Hammer' but the latter does not contain aluminum.
He also says that the former is pure and the A&H is processed. I bought Sodium Carbonate a while back from a labshop. But was wondering if that would be food grade and if it's the same as the RM variant. Because buying RM from abroad seems a bit expensive tbh.
*video-link starts at the exact point when he speaks about Sodium Bicarbonate
These are the details of the Sodium Bicarbonate that I bought
Extra information
Weight N/A
Formula
Na₂CO₃
MW
105.99 g/mol
Boiling point
1600 °C (1013 hPa)
Melting point
854°C
Density
2.53 g/cm³ (20 °C)
CAS number
497-19-8
H-phrases
H319
P-phrases
P305 + P351 + P338
Signal word
Warning
Number of dispensers unit
piece(s)
Y
Sodium bicarbonate has the formula NaHCO3. Lab grade sodium carbonate is unlikely to be food grade. Sodium bicarbonate is readily available as baking soda, bicarbonate of soda (but NOT baking powder) in a variety of retail outlets.
Sodium carbonate will not substitute for sodium bicarbonate here as it is too alkaline. If you were determined to use it you would need to bubble carbon dioxide into the sodium carbonate solution, which is easily enough achieved with the help of a soda water device, or can be rigged up with a CO2 generation device if you want to try the home chemist route.
To me it sounds like the Arm & Hammer version contains anti-caking agent in the form of aluminosilicate (most likely talc), which should be on the ingredients list were it not for shitty US corporatism where manufacturers don't want to disclose information for fear of informed consumers making informed decisions and cutting into their profit margins. I can only assume that the argument between "pure" and "processed" regards the use of an (undisclosed?) additive as a processing aid. Sodium bicarbonate itself is purely a product of the chemical industry.
You bought sodium carbonate.
Sodium bicarbonate has the formula NaHCO3. Lab grade sodium carbonate is unlikely to be food grade. Sodium bicarbonate is readily available as baking soda, bicarbonate of soda (but NOT baking powder) in a variety of retail outlets.
Sodium carbonate will not substitute for sodium bicarbonate here as it is too alkaline. If you were determined to use it you would need to bubble carbon dioxide into the sodium carbonate solution, which is easily enough achieved with the help of a soda water device, or can be rigged up with a CO2 generation device if you want to try the home chemist route.
I think you meant to type "former" there, since it's the latter that purportedly does contain impurities.
To me it sounds like the Arm & Hammer version contains anti-caking agent in the form of aluminosilicate (most likely talc), which should be on the ingredients list were it not for shitty US corporatism where manufacturers don't want to disclose information for fear of informed consumers making informed decisions and cutting into their profit margins. I can only assume that the argument between "pure" and "processed" regards the use of an (undisclosed?) additive as a processing aid. Sodium bicarbonate itself is purely a product of the chemical industry.
No, I meant what I wrote the snake oil guy literally said what I wrote down, although it could be that the guy made a mistake.
That was what was confusing to me, one moment he says something along the lines that RM is better because it has aluminum the next moment he is praising RM because it's pure.
Snake Oil Guy:
"Okay, thirdly, sodium bicarbonate, aka baking soda. So here's red mill baking soda.
There's also fucking baking soda made by Arm and Hammer that does not have fucking aluminum in it, okay?
And don't confuse baking powder with baking soda. Okay, now if you're in a pinch, you could use the Armand Hammer, but this shit's fucking pure, the Armand Hammer's been processed. Okay, red mill baking soda. Now, of the baking soda, you wanna put one teaspoon of baking soda in your two liters of water. That works out to 1,080 milligrams of sodium. So basically what I've done is I've cut half of the sodium chloride source back and added in the baking soda to make up the difference in sodium."
Anyhow, I will throw the Sodium Carbonate away and buy this Sodium Bicarbonate:
Original Superfoods Food Grade Sodium Bicarbonate 500 Grams
- Best Quality Food Grade.
- 100% Pure & Additive Free.
- Vegan.
- Aluminium free.
- Gluten free baking soda.
- For cleaning and personal hygiene
- Used as an additive to toothpaste.
- Used in making fizzy bath bombs & bath salts.
- Used in cleaning as a scourer and added to washing machines to soften water and remove odours from clothing.
Thanks for the clarification. Yeah, that guy's spouting garbled nonsense. Like, wtf does "the Arm and Hammer [soda] has been processed" mean? Is he using affiliated links to sell stuff, by any chance?
Superfoods branding for baking soda is pure, unadulterated bullshit. Wise up, dude! That's way overpriced! How far do you live from shops? Baking soda is a regular item of commerce.
But keep your sodium carbonate, you can use for other things. I repeat, DO NOT throw your sodium carbonate "away" (where is "away" exactly, for that matter?)
Not that I'm aware of.
I live in a city, I have Arm & Hammer here at home I just checked on the front side it states that it's pure.
But you just said that it likely contains aluminum, but then again it states that it's pure. I know VS has less restrictive food regulations, so maybe my variant is pure indeed. I don't know what to make of it tbh. 30min ago I bought 500gr for around $15. I will make sure I get my money back.
I inferred, that it possibly contains talc as an anti-caking agent based on general knowledge of chemistry. I would still consider this somewhat unlikely, even in the US, since baking soda doesn't really need anti-caking agents. Can you post pics of all the sides of the box?
The other possibility is that the guy in your video(?) misinterpreted something, perhaps a certificate of analysis, for example; you'll find trace amounts of aluminium in baking soda if you look for it since it's a normal component of the handling chain and impractical to get rid of. The other brand may not have bothered looking for it and thus not included it in the analysis results. You'd need to look into the actual data concerned to get a proper grasp on this. Maybe try asking the manufacturer directly as well.
Presumably A&H baking soda is cheaper than 12bucks a lb...
Sure, you can find them here I will work with what I have available.
It looks like pure, food-grade bicarb to me. No mention of any anti-caking agent is visible at all.
If you were really concerned, you could try dissolving some in distilled water and checking for signs of persistent clouding with a thin beam of light, e.g. laser pointer. Light beam would only be visible from the side if particulates were present. Check the plain water first as well, and be aware that bicarb can be slow to dissolve.
If you were really concerned, you could try dissolving some in distilled water and checking for signs of persistent clouding with a thin beam of light, e.g. laser pointer. Light beam would only be visible from the side if particulates were present. Check the plain water first as well, and be aware that bicarb can be slow to dissolve.