Taking high dose syrian rue daily

[harmala_orgasm]

Hey guys, hope you all are good.

Ive been taking syrian rue (4-6g) daily for almost 2 months now, and i wanted to know about peoples experience with taking rue daily, because for the last week it became abit strange, sometimes i drink the tea and i barely feel it, then next day its strong again.


Also it seems like you competely build tolerance for the side effects, and the positive effects are still there but its less intersting, like i dont notice it unless im very focused and in a meditive state, 2 days ago i tried drinking 10g tea, and my whole vision was tracers but sill no euphoria like before, i just feel calm and kinda emotionless in a way, like rue actually intensifies emotions but also makes you very aware of how emotions affect peoples thinking and judgment, so when you talk with someone your main focus is just the truth, but you also know that people are trapped like this so being too real with them might cause more harm than good.

Rue is magic, no other psychedelic is better than rue (i havent tried dmt tho) rue is the key to literally everything, it also makes you feel a sensation in your heart like your being cleansed, feels heavenly, makes you love everyone, i love rue .


Just wanted to know about peoples experience with taking rue daily.

 

[Nydex]

Just as a side note, how are you taking those 4-6g a day? Are you making tea? If so, how exactly are you preparing it?

 

[harmala_orgasm]

Just as a side note, how are you taking those 4-6g a day? Are you making tea? If so, how exactly are you preparing it?

Yes im making tea, i do a light boil for 30-45 mins

 

[pantostao]

There are several reports in here about continued use of high dose of harmalas.

This is an interesting one: A Journey with harmalas, 40 days and nights

Last week, I started taking a daily harmala tea, but my doses are lower (I use around 4g, but my seeds are old and not very potent, I think it's equivalent to somewhere around 2g of fresher, more potent seeds).

In this low-ish dose, I haven't felt any side effects really, but also not many primary effects either. My mental state is calmer than before, and I've been able to meditate more easily than before as well. But no tracers or other obvious psychedelic symptoms.

Also, DMT has been greatly enhanced, but I only did it once so far, at the fourth day of consecutive harmala use. I did a light to medium dose, 12mg on the e-mesh, and had an explosive, really intense trip, while I was very calm and relaxed either way. One of my best trips up to this point, I was astonished and felt amazing.

I stopped taking the tea two days ago because of life getting in the way, but I plan to resume this daily harmala diet for a longer period, maybe 15 days straight. I'm a bit scared of potential health side effects, but I've been feeling better than normal this last few days.

 

[Jamie01]

The experience becomes rather dull pretty quick IME when used every day for a time. There is still mao inhibition and it’s sedating but the real magic starts to be lost I have found.

It also in the end really began distrusting my sleep and then began to leave me feeling sketchy and ungrounded. I did it for like a year but I was also doing raw vegan diets at the time which I also attributed a lot of negative stuff too so I dunno for sure what sort of side effects might be possible.

I would just suggest people take at least as much time off it as on it to be safe.

 

[harmala_orgasm]

There are several reports in here about continued use of high dose of harmalas.

This is an interesting one: A Journey with harmalas, 40 days and nights

I have read alot of them, but i wanted to mainly hear about peoples experience with tolerence specifically, and most of these posts were low doses so i wanted to hear more about people using high doses daily.

The post you mentioned was a high dose but its abit confusing for me, his experience is very different from mine, it seems he was experiencing a very strong reverse tolerance, i did experience a reverse tolerance the first month, but it wasn't as dramatic as his, to reach the level he reached i need like at least 15g seeds

I'm a bit scared of potential health side effects, but I've been feeling better than normal this last few days.

I researched about rue alot, like alottt, and i talked with chatgpt also, the only risks with daily use is chronic mao inhibiton which would make taking other substances abit risky depending on the substance, if you know what you are doing then you shouldnt worry, other than that it is actually very beneficial for you, body and mind, i feel healthier in every way.

 

[Jamie01]

I have also some concerns that heavy or daily use might end up depleting certain things like magnesium…but I don’t really know. This should be discussed more because it does seem like everyone just assumes taking harmalas all day every day is a good thing. Maybe it is…maybe not..maybe it is circumstantial. I really don’t think we know much about chronic harmala exposure. We know there are benefits to an extent with frequent ayahuasca use, but that is in a church setting where it is only ingested weekly or biweekly.

 

[pantostao]

I would just suggest people take at least as much time off it as on it to be safe.

I think that's a very reasonable approach.

I think I'll try one week on, then one week off, then two on and two off, to see how it goes. It won't be very soon, because reasons, but this sounds like a good plan. I don't really want chronic mao inhibition

 

[modern]

I've been taking caapi tea daily 200ish mg harmalas for nearly 2 years skipping a some days due to being busy or forgetting. I've not done any special diet or restrictions other than NOT taking any opiod/pain pills for 4 hours after consuming.

There may be some negative effects I'm unaware of but from what is noticeable and apparent my health is fine (complete blood work showed nothing wrong last year). The positives are I'm less irritable, calm/quiet mind, and more energy overall since I take with espresso. My memory has improved very noticeably and seem to be sharper/quicker making connections (not smarter just quicker recall or selection)

RIMA seem to be much safer and don't require the same issues of traditional MAOI however do your research and know everyone's body responds differently so take care.

Also caapi tea is different from syrian rue tea so may be different.

 

[northape]

I have also some concerns that heavy or daily use might end up depleting certain things like magnesium…but I don’t really know. This should be discussed more because it does seem like everyone just assumes taking harmalas all day every day is a good thing. Maybe it is…maybe not..maybe it is circumstantial. I really don’t think we know much about chronic harmala exposure. We know there are benefits to an extent with frequent ayahuasca use, but that is in a church setting where it is only ingested weekly or biweekly.

Another concern is liver toxicity with prolonged use. They use liver-enhancing plants in traditional Amazonian healing, so they certainly know something we do not.
I, for one, cannot use rue long-term. It modulates my immune system, making me quite sensitive to viruses and other pathogens. This is most likely just due to my own physiology. Even two harmala-heavy ceremonies in a row produce that effect for me. I prefer drinking a strong dose of rue with a small amount of light plant (DMT) on top. That is the safest and most healing method in my case.

 

[murklan]

Another concern is liver toxicity with prolonged use. They use liver-enhancing plants in traditional Amazonian healing, so they certainly know something we do not.
I, for one, cannot use rue long-term. It modulates my immune system, making me quite sensitive to viruses and other pathogens. This is most likely just due to my own physiology. Even two harmala-heavy ceremonies in a row produce that effect for me. I prefer drinking a strong dose of rue with a small amount of light plant (DMT) on top. That is the safest and most healing method in my case.

I would also hesitate to do heavy doses daily for longer time. I've read about liver toxicity but I'm unsure it that was with unrealistic high doses on lab rats. There are also quite a lot of cases with hospitalization in Morocco where it's used as a abortifacient. An example here.

 

[northape]

I would also hesitate to do heavy doses daily for longer time. I've read about liver toxicity but I'm unsure it that was with unrealistic high doses on lab rats. There are also quite a lot of cases with hospitalization in Morocco where it's used as a abortifacient. An example here.

I remembered a review about ayahuasca where a girl stayed with a Brazilian tribe. They constantly used a herbal infusion to protect themselves against the effects of frequent ayahuasca use. She drank it almost daily for two weeks. If indigenous people use an adaptogen to protect the liver, then perhaps we need to be cautious as well. Although you adapt to harmalas over time and side effects become less of an issue. That Moroccan woman was most likely not accustomed to the plant.

 

[dithyramb]

@northape, can you find the link to that story of a tribe using supportive plants during Ayahuasca heavy periods? I don't know about this case, but my impression has been that amazonian cultures plant work is focussed on the spiritual dimension, and their understanding/explanation of using those plants may be a spiritual one, which may or may not coincide with liver protection.

About the liver and rue, first of all it is classified as a "hepatoprotective." But I too have heard of a few cases of liver problems in chronic daily or near daily use. I suspect it involves other things in the diet for which rue might interfere with their proper liver metabolization. I drink rue at least once a week at high doses, sometimes up to 4 days in a row. For many, many years I have been doing this and I have had no liver problems, and no health problems other than an exacerbation of insomnia, which is actually pretty serious. It's getting better though. I am finding ways to overcome it. I have an insomnia problem without rue, and rue just makes it more difficult to overcome.

 

[northape]

@northape, can you find the link to that story of a tribe using supportive plants during Ayahuasca heavy periods? I don't know about this case, but my impression has been that amazonian cultures plant work is focussed on the spiritual dimension, and their understanding/explanation of using those plants may be a spiritual one, which may or may not coincide with liver protection.

"In the early part of the three weeks we dieted a potato called tinori that protects the stomach and liver while consuming a lot of Ayahuasca. It is also an energetic protection. Drinking the tinori tastes sweet but it takes extreme caution because having any salt can make someone fall down. We had a very strict diet for five days after to safely reintroduce food."

It is from Reddit, so take this information with a large grain of salt. However, the entire review seems genuine.

Edit: I've reread the review, and it seems that the girl in question suffered from Lyme disease, so she may have been following a specific diet for it:

Spoiler: More here

Yeah, tinori is very serious and has to be taken carefully. I had it before this visit too and Benki has a talk with us before to make sure we know how serious the process is. They remove everything that we can’t consume just in case someone forgets.

Bota is also very serious, if you have anything fermented by mistake you will have diarrhea for weeks. That happened to me over a year ago and I had to take another plant to counteract it. I was told if I took the plant to counteract it more than three times I wouldn’t go to the bathroom for a month, I had to take it like four times lol. When you tell anyone in the community that you’re taking bota they just start laughing because everyone knows it’s a ride hahaha but it’s important. We can laugh at the trials from it but I respect it’s a serious medicine.

When my liver was so inflamed that it was sensitive to the touch, I was given graviola with another plant but I don’t recall which. It’s pretty serious to be instructed to not drink water so it’s probably better that it’s not shared.