Does our level of consciousness influence the insights we receive?

[Ajqij]

Why I ask is because while everyone's experience of breaking through is different, the more I talk with my fellow psychonaughts, the more I suspect that our capacity to surrender, open, and receive plays a pivotal role in how we are interacted with by DMT entities or "others." For those of us who use DMT not merely as a recreational activity, but as a means for expanding our consciousness, I believe there's an unexplored landscape we can pioneer together that may lead to a whole new way of spending 10 otherworldly minutes. Thoughts and ideas?

 

[Voidmatrix]

I think there's something deeper at play as well aside from the ability to surrender, be open, and receive, such as "the nature of one's being." One's character perhaps.

I have the privilege of dosing people with DMT for a living, and have come to notice some things.

Have you ever noticed the sort of "scan" or "assessment" that occurs once you take your hit and begin entering the space? It's like the space (or whatever conducts it) gets a gauge on you before showing you anything, almost as if evaluating what one can handle. From that point, the space presents itself in a way that is "true to form" while also being what one can manage.

The other thing that leans me towards this idea is the people that are given some direct message, in one form, or another, that equates to either a "no" from the space or a message of "you're not ready," or "this isn't for you."

So, I don't if it's level of consciousness, or aptitude for altered states, or wherewithal, or what, but it's something it seems

One love

 

[yatyas314]

Why I ask is because while everyone's experience of breaking through is different, the more I talk with my fellow psychonaughts, the more I suspect that our capacity to surrender, open, and receive plays a pivotal role in how we are interacted with by DMT entities or "others." For those of us who use DMT not merely as a recreational activity, but as a means for expanding our consciousness, I believe there's an unexplored landscape we can pioneer together that may lead to a whole new way of spending 10 otherworldly minutes. Thoughts and ideas?

I think so if you mean level of consciousness as how deep in you get. Thats the best way I can describe it is in the terms of depth, the deeper I get the more I can glean. Although it is a tricky thing because just lately I have found a technique that gets me there in 3-4 hits and it feels like its so fast onset that I have short blackout periods. When I do get deep its all happening so fast it hard to make the choice to surrender and just experience it. I think level of experience in the altered state of consciousness has everything to do with your ability to receive the lessons and healing.
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[Ajqij]

I think there's something deeper at play as well aside from the ability to surrender, be open, and receive, such as "the nature of one's being." One's character perhaps.

I have the privilege of dosing people with DMT for a living, and have come to notice some things.

Have you ever noticed the sort of "scan" or "assessment" that occurs once you take your hit and begin entering the space? It's like the space (or whatever conducts it) gets a gauge on you before showing you anything, almost as if evaluating what one can handle. From that point, the space presents itself in a way that is "true to form" while also being what one can manage.

The other thing that leans me towards this idea is the people that are given some direct message, in one form, or another, that equates to either a "no" from the space or a message of "you're not ready," or "this isn't for you."

So, I don't if it's level of consciousness, or aptitude for altered states, or wherewithal, or what, but it's something it seems

One love

Yes, the "scan" as you descibe it, (which in my experience lessens with each entry) feels like a kind of "guardianship" or benevolent care-taking. I reflected on what they are assessing and it seemed to me it has to do with "capacity," rather than attitude or even approach. The "nature of your being" as you mention so wisely, to me is directly related to the level of consciousness beings possess. In fact, I will go as far as suggesting that the nature of being may be the manifestation of universal consciousness in all sentient life forms.

 

[Ajqij]

I think so if you mean level of consciousness as how deep in you get. Thats the best way I can describe it is in the terms of depth, the deeper I get the more I can glean. Although it is a tricky thing because just lately I have found a technique that gets me there in 3-4 hits and it feels like its so fast onset that I have short blackout periods. When I do get deep its all happening so fast it hard to make the choice to surrender and just experience it. I think level of experience in the altered state of consciousness has everything to do with your ability to receive the lessons and healing.
Y

I tend to agree with you about level of experience in that the "level" isn't just relevant to how much experience we have under our belts but how much capacity we have to even place experiences there in the first place. Blessings and TY!

 

[Tripolation]

I think that your level of self-awareness, self-control, or self-mastery play a pivotal role in how we interact with anything in this reality. You could drop me off in hyperspace, drop me off in the roughest part of Harlem or drop me off in the middle of the mountains and I will be fine in all cases. Some people just are not built for certain experiences. They may have self-limiting behaviors of fear or something else that causes them to fold or collapse. Adaptability is huge when dealing with difficult terrains, be it surviving in the wilds of nature and the big city or hyperspace. The capacity to adapt will completely and totally drive the perception of your experience.

If you are unaware of something in an experience or simply do not understand it, you will not receive nearly as much as someone who does. Some people need a shaman to better understand the landscape of DMT. They seek education in the spiritual realms. The learn to adapt, let go, be open and receive. The guide or guru is an essential step in understanding for some.

I never had a shaman or someone to teach me these things, I learned along the way. I failed and fumbled and stumbled and slowly learned a skillset as I went along. We are always limited by how much we understand and that completely affects what is learned. I didn't get nearly as much out of my experiences with psychedelics when I was younger as I do now. I would not have recognized the lessons I pick up now when I was younger. I can certainly say the same thing for any given experience I have in my life. These psychedelics experiences translate immediately into every day life if you apply the lessons learned.

I think we could experience and talk about the DMT landscape for generations and still not truly understand it. There are no landmarks, no language that works for description. We are totally limited in our understanding and limited in how we can describe it. We have the Lexicon and other tools at our disposal to at least attempt to find a common language and terminology enable to better understand it together, however, it will always fall short.

I wish a bunch of psychonauts could plan a meetup in hyperspace, campout for a week, explore the area, map the terrain and come back with some idea as to what in the hell is going on. Inner worlds are not easily shared. The best we have is the outer world, exploring our feelings and experiences the way we do here at the Nexus is likely about as good as it ever going to get, so I think we are on a good track towards a better comprehension, even if we can only take so much from it.

Sounds like you may have some ideas yourself. Let's hear it.

 

[Voidmatrix]

Yes, the "scan" as you descibe it, (which in my experience lessens with each entry) feels like a kind of "guardianship" or benevolent care-taking. I reflected on what they are assessing and it seemed to me it has to do with "capacity," rather than attitude or even approach. The "nature of your being" as you mention so wisely, to me is directly related to the level of consciousness beings possess. In fact, I will go as far as suggesting that the nature of being may be the manifestation of universal consciousness in all sentient life forms.

Very interesting and thank you for sharing.

For me, it hasn't lessened necessarily. It's always been something I notice at least a little bit. But then, for my relationship with harmalas and DMT, it may be with a specific purpose.

I think capacity is one variable that they pay attention to. A cup only has so much volume. But then there's something about the nature and depth and "weirdness" of some experiences that seems unrelated to capacity in my experience.

I see where you're going. When I thought "nature of ones being," I was thinking in terms of "qualia." This ineffable thing that's hard to put your finger on, because qualia also doens't really seem to do it justice.

One love

 

[yatyas314]

I think that your level of self-awareness, self-control, or self-mastery play a pivotal role in how we interact with anything in this reality. You could drop me off in hyperspace, drop me off in the roughest part of Harlem or drop me off in the middle of the mountains and I will be fine in all cases. Some people just are not built for certain experiences. They may have self-limiting behaviors of fear or something else that causes them to fold or collapse. Adaptability is huge when dealing with difficult terrains, be it surviving in the wilds of nature and the big city or hyperspace. The capacity to adapt will completely and totally drive the perception of your experience.

If you are unaware of something in an experience or simply do not understand it, you will not receive nearly as much as someone who does. Some people need a shaman to better understand the landscape of DMT. They seek education in the spiritual realms. The learn to adapt, let go, be open and receive. The guide or guru is an essential step in understanding for some.

I never had a shaman or someone to teach me these things, I learned along the way. I failed and fumbled and stumbled and slowly learned a skillset as I went along. We are always limited by how much we understand and that completely affects what is learned. I didn't get nearly as much out of my experiences with psychedelics when I was younger as I do now. I would not have recognized the lessons I pick up now when I was younger. I can certainly say the same thing for any given experience I have in my life. These psychedelics experiences translate immediately into every day life if you apply the lessons learned.

I think we could experience and talk about the DMT landscape for generations and still not truly understand it. There are no landmarks, no language that works for description. We are totally limited in our understanding and limited in how we can describe it. We have the Lexicon and other tools at our disposal to at least attempt to find a common language and terminology enable to better understand it together, however, it will always fall short.

I wish a bunch of psychonauts could plan a meetup in hyperspace, campout for a week, explore the area, map the terrain and come back with some idea as to what in the hell is going on. Inner worlds are not easily shared. The best we have is the outer world, exploring our feelings and experiences the way we do here at the Nexus is likely about as good as it ever going to get, so I think we are on a good track towards a better comprehension, even if we can only take so much from it.

Sounds like you may have some ideas yourself. Let's hear it.

I wonder if thats the big reason Psychedelics are so prevalent in the combat veteran group? Thats how I was introduced to it and the first paragraph of your post is essentially how the first few 15+ grm Psilo sessions felt like I was surviving and then started to thrive in that space.

 

[Ajqij]

Very interesting and thank you for sharing.

For me, it hasn't lessened necessarily. It's always been something I notice at least a little bit. But then, for my relationship with harmalas and DMT, it may be with a specific purpose.

I think capacity is one variable that they pay attention to. A cup only has so much volume. But then there's something about the nature and depth and "weirdness" of some experiences that seems unrelated to capacity in my experience.

I see where you're going. When I thought "nature of ones being," I was thinking in terms of "qualia." This ineffable thing that's hard to put your finger on, because qualia also doens't really seem to do it justice.

One love

Tell me more about this "specific purpose" if you feel like sharing about it? Why I ask is because I always have a clear and specific purpose going it (along with knowing that whatever I may have in mind and heart may or may not be what I'm gifted with.)

 

[Ajqij]

I wonder if thats the big reason Psychedelics are so prevalent in the combat veteran group? Thats how I was introduced to it and the first paragraph of your post is essentially how the first few 15+ grm Psilo sessions felt like I was surviving and then started to thrive in that space.

There is no question that everyone has a different threshold and capacity to embrace the unknown. As a war vet myself, I can atest to the fact that those who survive are able to face into extreme threat and maintain a continuity of presence . . . which doesn't ensure their survival, but increases its chances.

 

[Voidmatrix]

Tell me more about this "specific purpose" if you feel like sharing about it? Why I ask is because I always have a clear and specific purpose going it (along with knowing that whatever I may have in mind and heart may or may not be what I'm gifted with.)

Certainly. This was with respect to the medicine having a specific purpose. In my relationship with it, and through my connection, either the space or something in the space seems to have an "agenda" for me. Going beyond that does two things. 1. Cause me to try and describe and explain what I really can't (I can point to some threads that can give you some of the flavor though) and 2. Makes me uncomfortable

As for myself, with this medicine, I may have something "in mind," but often the goal is to "be" there. And whatever comes up, comes up. This "shedding" of "intentionality" has come part and parcel with the evolution of the experience. I go in, pretty freely (and welcomed and nudged by the space even when not in the space), with reverence, respect, and skepticism.

One love

 

[Ajqij]

Certainly. This was with respect to the medicine having a specific purpose. In my relationship with it, and through my connection, either the space or something in the space seems to have an "agenda" for me. Going beyond that does two things. 1. Cause me to try and describe and explain what I really can't (I can point to some threads that can give you some of the flavor though) and 2. Makes me uncomfortable

As for myself, with this medicine, I may have something "in mind," but often the goal is to "be" there. And whatever comes up, comes up. This "shedding" of "intentionality" has come part and parcel with the evolution of the experience. I go in, pretty freely (and welcomed and nudged by the space even when not in the space), with reverence, respect, and skepticism.

One love

Totally agree about "to be there" rather than to plan some mind(less) "doing" or even "having." And "nudged even when not in the space" I hear you brother, I'm nudged out of my mind nearly 24/7. But that's not concerning to me as I believe the mind is a terrible thing to keep, so I just trip on and let the universe have its way with me! :0

 

[yatyas314]

There is no question that everyone has a different threshold and capacity to embrace the unknown. As a war vet myself, I can atest to the fact that those who survive are able to face into extreme threat and maintain a continuity of presence . . . which doesn't ensure their survival, but increases its chances.

I am glad your here, I hope more of our veteran population speaks up here.

 

[Tripolation]

I wonder if thats the big reason Psychedelics are so prevalent in the combat veteran group? Thats how I was introduced to it and the first paragraph of your post is essentially how the first few 15+ grm Psilo sessions felt like I was surviving and then started to thrive in that space.

Not only vets but also many others who have experienced extreme trauma in their lives. When you have been through hell already, you have nothing to lose in trying psychedelics to heal. This could be a topic in and of itself.

 

[Ajqij]

Not only vets but also many others who have experienced extreme trauma in their lives. When you have been through hell already, you have nothing to lose in trying psychedelics to heal. This could be a topic in and of itself.

That's a very good idea, experiencing trauma (and surviving it) certainly strengthens one's constitution and elevates their threshold of "accepting the unacceptable." And contrarily, deep and profound love and acceptance can produce the same outcome, albiet in a more gentle manner. Either way, however, would you agree that becoming familiar with extremes is a key to possessing a greater capacity to receive hyper-gifts?

 

[newusername1]

Yes, openness to the whole of the experience is a very vital part of what you get out of it and also the quality of the experience itself. This is ofcourse not an objective fact but only my personal opinion, but for me, this is one of the most important but also most challenging parts of being a psychonaut.

Sometimes it's just very difficult to realy be open to it. There are a million ways in wich your mind can trick you into letting the best parts of a DMT or other psychedelic experience go to waste. Fear is one of them, but longing too much for psychedelic bliss is another. For me anyway. Or even expecting fear or psychedelic bliss.

Going in without expectations is even harder maybe, than going in without fear. The best thing that can happen in such a case, is when the DMT immediately crushes all your expectations, but that pretty much means getting your ass kicked and mind shattered.

 

[Ajqij]

Yes, openness to the whole of the experience is a very vital part of what you get out of it and also the quality of the experience itself. This is ofcourse not an objective fact but only my personal opinion, but for me, this is one of the most important but also most challenging parts of being a psychonaut.

Sometimes it's just very difficult to realy be open to it. There are a million ways in wich your mind can trick you into letting the best parts of a DMT or other psychedelic experience go to waste. Fear is one of them, but longing too much for psychedelic bliss is another. For me anyway. Or even expecting fear or psychedelic bliss.

Going in without expectations is even harder maybe, than going in without fear. The best thing that can happen in such a case, is when the DMT immediately crushes all your expectations, but that pretty much means getting your ass kicked and mind shattered.

Nothing like a good ass-kicking and mind-shattering once in a while to humble us into realizing that both our ass and our mind are worlds apart from our (in)finite heart . . . both anatomically as well as epistemologically. LOL

 

[Tripolation]

would you agree that becoming familiar with extremes is a key to possessing a greater capacity to receive hyper-gifts?

A key forged in fire. Beaten into existence.

A Sermon of Iron

" “The world now exists as unforged steel, the fires of hell and the hammers of time push the impurities out until there is nothing left but a gleam.” He spoke with a certainty that bordered on fanaticism. His callused hand griped leather bound to iron and moved swift against the black and grey lump. An orange glow spread out in the cracks of metal like tiny bolts of lightning. Each strike echoed in the forge like a thunderclap.

“What does that make you?” The apprentice’s words trembled with a curiosity tainted by fear.

“The devil.” His voice was stern and his eyes never left the anvil. He paused and sunk into a more gentle voice, gentle at least for a thirty-year blacksmith whose work had seen nine wars and countless minor skirmishes. “And God. Without the fire, nothing can be forged. Without metal, nothing can be worked. And without the crafter, nothing can be created. But alas I only work iron. Some men work the trees. Some men work the stone. Physicians work the flesh. Even the bards work words. We all do our part in shaping iron into steel. After aeons pass, when God is satisfied with his creation then the almighty will wield his sword (key), but until that day, we are still seated on the anvil having the devils beat from us and the fire burning away our sins.”

A little dramatic, but illustrates my point. Enjoyable to read anyway.

 

[Ajqij]

A key forged in fire. Beaten into existence.



A little dramatic, but illustrates my point. Enjoyable to read anyway.

Indeed. Fortunately, God makes mistakes.

 

[Jungleheart]

yes that is why chanting helps