Kobranek
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You're right Void it's my presumption. I wouldn't necessary consider them levels but moreso orders of reality. Where there is an arraignment but less hierarchical in nature.
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Does our level of consciousness influence the insights we receive?
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If we go all the way down to quantum field or emptiness (choose your system) would it be of a higher level than a living being?
Who would decide about such a hierarchy? It all starts and ends with our mind. We interpret, judge and decide on what is right.
Still, we came out of Realty, and it should be of a higher level than an organism it produced. But here I judged and decided again
I love philosophy. It's akin to a mental masturbation if one doesn't take it too seriously.
But to think that I can ever leave this virtual reality of concepts would be a folly, and one more concept.
All the sages value Silence and it is often the answer about their realization.
Who would decide about such a hierarchy? It all starts and ends with our mind. We interpret, judge and decide on what is right.
Still, we came out of Realty, and it should be of a higher level than an organism it produced. But here I judged and decided again
I love philosophy. It's akin to a mental masturbation if one doesn't take it too seriously.
But to think that I can ever leave this virtual reality of concepts would be a folly, and one more concept.
All the sages value Silence and it is often the answer about their realization.
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The level or depth probably wouldn't be looked at in the same way. What we're talking about seems to transcend physicality, and so the parameters of any analogy that appeals to physicality will fall short.
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Even when you take it seriously, people will accuse you of that
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@ Kobranek, thank you for your thoughtful and heart-full reply. You have a grasp of the difference between dialogue and debate, which I appreciate. Trusting one’s intuition is something that in my estimation is either granted or earned, but in either case is uncommon in our society as we are taught to defer to others or institutions lacking heart and soul, or any connection with the majesty of the cosmos.I don't other than trusting my intuition that the medicine will show me the way. My first puff of dmt opened up a perception to the strength of the medicine which motivated me to continue to explore further to try and gain a deeper understanding.
Trust in others is a concept that I struggle with moreso than trusting in the plants. Plants have no agenda so I give myself to them more freely. We are products of our environment and so I find value with integrating these lessons into my everyday life. So in a sense I've developed my own unique practice for myself free from others influences and projections.
Acceptance is another factor that is at play. I do come from a lineage where my maternal great grandma was a curandera and my paternal grandfather was a brave warrior who accepted and benefited from using plant medicine in their lives but failed to pass the value on to the next generation. Alcoholism is the legacy that is being passed on.
What is one to do when there are no established practices handed down from one generation to the next and it seems that everyone has an agenda?
Survival instincts are very strong. Strong enough to push one to develop their own spiritual practice that is more in-line with themselves.
At this point I would be open to participating in a ceremony. I'm content with working alone in a non communal setting so it would be a new experience for me.
It seems these higher levels of consciousness are at odds with mainstream society where at #7 you would be known as someone who wears their heart on their sleeve. Which is frowned upon many but not by others such us Nexians.
Great thread btw!
By “granted” I mean an epigenetic hand-off, or DNA-infused energetic passing along certain traits, abilities, and depths of perception from generation to generation, a process I refer to in my work as “energetic dispositioning.”
By “earned” I mean a highly introspective and liberating process involving emotive and experiential insight that I sometimes refer to as “convergent knowingness.” Many brilliant human beings and renowned scientists have demonstrated and continue to show that intellect does not equate to wisdom, as there are plenty of smart people in the world who are unwise. (Intellect is knowing many things, wisdom is knowing many things in many ways).
The “strength of the medicine” as you put it, yes, plants are strong and don’t appear to have “agendas” as you say, but they do have powerful intent, something psychonauts can certainly discover on their own by getting to know the unique energies and contributions of different alkaloid-rich plants.
It is here, in the arena of intent that I find great value in collaborating with shamans, elders, and curanderos rather than going it alone. I’m not sure why many here in the Nexus are either critical, cynical, or dismissive about the sacred ways of curanderos. If I were preaching that sitting with these wise healers was somehow “better” or “superior” to people’s independent journeying I could understand the negative behaviors, but I have not done so. I would think and feel that opening one’s mind and heart to what DMT and other powerful hallucinogens have to offer would be an inspiration for wanting to learn things beyond what the ego dictates as “credible.”
Some really great philosophical models and ideas are being shared in this thread which I am grateful for, and I guess my version comes down to three simple evolutions:
> A closed mind and a closed heart.
> An open mind and a closed heart.
> An open mind and an open heart.
I for one, will keep sharing the open minded and hearted gifts, insights, and contributions of the keepers of plant medicine, and I will keep encouraging our members here to embrace living into and from an open mind and an open heart.
P.S., Since you expressed an openness to participating in a ceremony Kob, I invite you to come along on my next expedition to the Yucatan and Guatemala where we'll explore ancient Mesoamerican ruins and experience curandero guided journeys first-hand. In Lak’ech my friend.
Don't sweat it too much. Nexus is just that kind of place. It's very materialistic and scientific in a way. There are many factors in play here.
Those who have ears will hear your message. There are a few here who resonate with your approach, and it's valuable to have many viewpoints.
People need to mature and choose for themselves what is right for them. All we can do is share.
No right or wrong here, just a big play of Mind. Choose your channel and enjoy
We are that way about everything. The slope of delusion is slippery in all directions. Gotta be careful.
And you have made adjacent claims in other posts.
I try to provide balance with this... well all things really, as part of my function here. If we don't know, then everything should be open, but not sloppily so.
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Indeed I'm choosing all channels that are at least open to dialogue without the intent to convince or dismiss. And I'm not sweating any of it here . . . actually I'm enjoying the range of opinions being offered. And whether a majority of members resonate or not with what I have to share, the truth of the matter is that the threads I've been posting are some of the most viewed on the site, which to me is a good sign that people are interested whether they agree with what I have to share or not. Why? Because it opens dialogue and provides greater insight into the richness and conviction of us Nexians. In Lak'ech.Don't sweat it too much. Nexus is just that kind of place. It's very materialistic and scientific in a way. There are many factors in play here.
Those who have ears will hear your message. There are a few here who resonate with your approach, and it's valuable to have many viewpoints.
People need to mature and choose for themselves what is right for them. All we can do is share.
No right or wrong here, just a big play of Mind. Choose your channel and enjoy
There are other factors that go into whether a thread gets opened. Sometimes a title is all it takes. Another is the more provocative it seems it may be. Also, the more you check your own thread the more the number goes up. Nexus 101.
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rkba
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Don't really check my threads unless someone comments. And as for "provocative," good I'm happy to provide that service as it's way too easy to just go along with the status quo. All (r)evolutions are seen as provocative at first, but if they hold merit and contribute to the zietgiest as a whole, they become more accepted . . . until they too become status quo and require (r)evolutions of their own.
V, why would you face palm what I shared with you? Is there something embarressing about suggesting that provocation can be a good thing? ("Pro" = on behalf of, and "vocation" = a field of exploration, work, or study.)
Is there something offensive about the nature of this approach? I simply don't get why you wouldn't ask me a question, dialogue with me for mutual understanding, or even acknowledge a fragment of what I offered you as credible.
Is there something offensive about the nature of this approach? I simply don't get why you wouldn't ask me a question, dialogue with me for mutual understanding, or even acknowledge a fragment of what I offered you as credible.
I was informing you in my posts above. I don't recall asking a question.
However, if you must know, I responded with a facepalm because of what I view as arrogance and pretentiousness from your end with your allusions to your rhetoric around here being "revolutionary." It ain't that deep, bro.
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However, if you must know, I responded with a facepalm because of what I view as arrogance and pretentiousness from your end with your allusions to your rhetoric around here being "revolutionary." It ain't that deep, bro.
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What is life isnt meant to be medicated, which has resulted in this mindset you've grown and matured and fine tuned, to be entirely limited to that small scope of what all of this really is...
You can see it as being almost shamanistic and spreading knowledge about your understanding of it, but that just leads to more people being limited entirely to your teachings based on your beliefs based on your experiences. Hence, the "a lot of I, and not a lot of i" i mentioned earlier.
Most quality women (or men) don't put out on the first date. You think just because you've gained something and broke through a few times you know all of the secrets? What if the reality of it is, there is no secret? What if you've only gotten to first base and you're sitting here believing you've already hit a few game winners in your time, so you have enough experience to make statements that may (or may not) hold true for anyone else.
Like i said, not questioning you, but i guess the courage to face whatever comes would involve potentially erasing all of your beliefs about this and adopting a new, unrefined, amateurish set of beliefs to restart your whole journey, knowing you'll likely never learn or see what you'd like, which could keep some people in the mindset of "this is an honorable path, I'm going to continue walking it" not realizing that just because we don't have time to travel to the new understandings, others who need guidance will ultimately follow those before them down roads that need to have been abandoned rather than re-ventured
Edit- i learn better when i do things this way and make statements and situations that are plausible, and likely to happen to at least someone in the world. It allows me to think of other people in other situations and than dissect the situations from my (or, another, depending on how disassociated I am) point of view. It is not a reflection on you, just a reflection in general since the reality of it is, if i can come to these conclusions and have these thoughts, potential beliefs, potential roads traveled and conclusions arrived to, all while just being me...is it even possible that I'm just me? I feel like a univeral connection or something different, that has similar implications, must be a potential truth of all of this.
I dont like using super selective one in a billion situations or happenings because when those come, they're apparent to just about everyone so my speculation on them isnt needed.
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Can you put it in more simple words, I'm kind of stupid?
When it comes to our view on life, we all have colored glasses. A change in perspective is a change of glasses, basically.
Who can say what reality looks like? We are conditioned to see only from a particular angle, and even flexibility is another kind of conditioning.
I don't really see what's the issue here.
Uhm are you questioning their integrity and impact? Or am I misunderstanding this?
I stand by that I know nothing. As soon as I think I know something or am cocky, I am humbled in some way. I learn something new about myself every single day, in some ways born anew each day and that which does not serve me any longer is allowed to fall away, something of a death. No one should follow me and I have no teachings to give, only my own experience which could very well be flawed and needs adjustments from time to time. If I ever come across as cocky it is old habits and partly just me being a male tough guy.
I do try and approach things with a fresh mind and allow new information to flow into my life. I have uncovered my personal truths and will continue to uncover more, I do my best to apply them into my life, re-evaluate certain perceptions and overall at least attempt to evolve myself in some way. Right now in my life I am having to learn how to live in another way. My old perceptions were flawed and I needed to start from scratch. I appreciate the struggle of my mistakes, my confusion, my flaws, and walking those roads that should have been abandoned.
If I had any teaching or truth that would be universal it would be the following: Love with all of your heart, forgive where you can in life, let go of what does not serve you any longer, treat others with compassion and kindness, and have a light heart, not forgetting to laugh along the way. I think anyone can follow that and be just fine.
It took me a long time to find these things within myself and I continue to work on it. Hopefully on my death bed I can look back and see how I applied these truths to my life and be proud. I hope I can reduce the suffering of this world by being conscious of how I may add to that suffering. I discovered beauty even in suffering. Love is still there, it hard to see but it is there. Cracks of light streaming through my limited cage allowing me to understand that there is more to reality than I could ever conceive.
Thank you for the food for thought. I am not sure if this addresses everything you are talking about. Forgive me if I missed something.
Put what in more simple words? I'm just having conversation, I normally get some pretty horrible responses in real life for asking questions and explaining things how I see them, so i welcome any back and forth.
What i asked boils down to, what if everything youve gained and learned on your journey has been incorrect, and the true nature of it all is something completely different? I dont necessarily think thats the case, but the thread is titled does the level of consciousness effect insight gained, correlating insight with consciousness, but i guess im questioning "what if all of the insight is moot" and "where does that leave your consciousness?"
If you spend a lifetime travelling a path, only to be told or shown, the real path is only visible when wearing the indigo, maroon, and bright blue lenses at the same time (reference to your different colored lenses), what's next? What if there is a true path and we're all obscuring it with our speculations that come from wearing our glasses? Because my red probably isnt the same as your red, just like the sound I hear is likely different than the sound you hear.
??????? I dont know what you're asking, this is similar to a response I'd get irl that leads to combative and aggressiveness in real life, it feels hostile even though im literally just trying to learn and shoot the shit and pose questions that others can answer that i may not be able to answer myself.
What if those things that dont serve you, aren't meant to be left? You seem rational, humble, you seem like you value truth and have the depth to allow love in, which isnt something that everyone can claim. By leaving those that don't serve you, the mindset, everything you have to offer, is being rejected to what is likely those (people, actions, habits, animals, places, ideals, concepts, etc) to be the most in need. If they can't find a place with love, the most likely place they'll find home is with hate. Clearly thats not your intention or desire. To relate this to my life (for the guy who thinks im questioning you or whatever) if i have an abusive, shitty family who does me no good, doesn't care, doesnt see things from any perspective besides their selfish self serving ways, most people would tell you to do the similar thing of "cut off what doesnt serve you"
That seperates what i believe is good, loving, and right (from my perspective) and what's not good (selfish, self absorbed, not introspective, don't care about anything other than what they believe)
If you were to ask, which side would take what action, I'd hope that the bad side would take the route of cutting off that which doesn't serve you, and the good would say I'll endure, for you, whether you get it or not. Im trying to figure out why handling things a certain way can ever be necessary
It seems like a pretty innocent question. They even asked if they were missing something.
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I hear you. What I was trying to convey when stating leave that which does not serve you was old perceptions, old ways of thinking, those roads that you walk enough and you want a new one to walk. You have a strong sense of right and wrong and that is a kind way of being. If you left behind, someone in pain, someone that was suffering in some way you would feel terrible. Your choosing love even when it's difficult. That's a strong and noble quality.
I would say that you can love someone and that does not require proximity. You can set clear boundaries with people and still love them and be compassionate and kind. If someone makes you feel small it is probably best not to let someone walk in your mind with dirty feet. It's not your job to fix broken people at the cost of your own peace. Boundaries are healthy and essential for a good relationship with anyone. Sometimes stepping back and loving from a distance can create the healing that everyone needs. Family issues is a hard one my friend. I understand. Do your best with what you have. It sounds like you have a good head on your shoulders and a big heart. I think some of these answers will come with time.
Many of my personal insights and truths took me many years to figure out, kind wrapping back to what I originally wrote. My younger self was angry deep down just sad, I just could not see some of the stuff I see now. My perceptions changed and they changed by choice and hard work. I choose to be this way, now. I think it was Albert Einstein that said 'No problem can be solved by the same consciousness that created it.'. I changed much of my consciousness and perceptions by intention and attention to healing. My level of consciousness did influence the insights I received.