Doing DMT instead of fent/meth while pregnant?

[Fringe Wizard]

I have an obese Native American friend who is heavily addicted to all drugs that is pregnant and has been pregnant for awhile now while continuing to do fentanyl and meth every day and she has never done DMT but wants to do it and see if it can help her. I don't know if her baby is already ruined given the extremely unhealthy lifestyle and drugs she does but would she be potentially helping herself by using DMT?

 

[Nydex]

Wow, that's a difficult question to answer. There are so many variables at play. In any case, I think it's unwise to recommend the ingestion of any consciousness-altering substance while pregnant.

Considering the question discusses something so sensitive that can potentially lead to a loss of life, I'll say the DMT-Nexus is not the right place to discuss matters of this kind.

The only legit recommendation I can give is for you friend to seek professional medical help and I hope it's not too late to reverse any damage that might have been done to both her and her unborn child.

 

[Fringe Wizard]

Is there a better site to discuss this then maybe on deepnet that isn't full of cowards that defer to "the authorities"? She already lives in a place for addicts with doctors present but that ain't stopping her smoking hard drugs like a fiend. Psychedelics have the potential to change behaviours like addiction and end it. In this case it could mean saving a life, assuming it is not already too late for that baby. I would like to know if anyone has been able to quit meth and fent with DMT? As for effects of DMT on the baby I read about some native groups where pregnant women take DMT and there are no problems. I highly doubt DMT is as dangerous as fent & meth.

 

[Nydex]

Yes, people have been able to quit things like meth, fent, heroin etc with the help of psychedelics, DMT included. I don't know what you read and where, but in this case, this individual you are asking on behalf of might have all sorts of medical complications resulting from prolonged abuse of "hard" drugs. These complications might include an exceptionally weak heart.

Profoundly intense experiences like those often induced by DMT might not be suitable for people with cardiac problems. And that's just one problem that might arise from abuse of meth and fent. Nobody is saying DMT is as dangerous as those two. What I'm trying to convey is that introducing a powerful, exceptionally intense substance into the mind of someone that might already be severely weakened by substance abuse, might produce the opposite effect of what you're hoping for.

There's no need to be arrogant and passive-aggressive. Again, if you're waiting for someone to greenlight your salvation plan and say "yes, let your pregnant obese addict friend consume one of the most intense substances known to man and hope things go well", you came to the wrong place. This might be a matter of life and death, and as such, the Nexus will not play the role of arbiter for what I consider quite obvious reasons that have absolutely nothing to do with courage.

 

[Fringe Wizard]

I am definitely not giving her DMT then...

Passive aggressive? I think you mistake my character. My tone was meant to be beligerent, active agressive, tough, whatever. I come from anonymous imageboard culture and never uses these sites with accounts where everyone sucks each other off for fear of violating the groupthink. Anyways, your point about the heart is a good one, I am just going to ignore her and give her nothing. She has robbed me in the past and is a big criminal and I have been avoiding her but ran into her in my friend's hobo encampment who I was trading salvage with all night from my own encapment that I have been having to clear out before it all goes to the dump. She asked me about DMT and told me she wanted to do it. I will just ignore her. Her baby will probably die or be born like her aka born addicted to drugs. Not my problem. I don't want to give her DMT and she gets a heart attack that is just asking for trouble, in our "community" if someone dies it is not unusual for there to be a revenge killing, so fuck that.

Thanks for the advice: btw you obviously fear legal troubles. If you want me to be charitable I'll say "are weary of the potential for legal troubles". That is why I am better off going darknet for these kinds of discussions than on some clearnet site where mods have to worry about legal stuff. I live in an anarchic dystopia where legal fictions mean nothing but treating your fellow man right still matters. Instead of fearing the state we fear each other.

 

[Nydex]

This is not just about legal repercussions. Above all, this is about having a realistic outlook on things. Considering the situation you have described, and the large number of variables at play, giving advice on this would simply be unreasonable. We cannot expect of our members to be reasonable and possess a certain amount of critical thinking capacity without exhibiting those qualities ourselves.

Best of luck, and I hope your friend gets the help she needs.

 

[Varallo]

There is very limited research on the use of DMT during pregnancy, but given that it’s a powerful hallucinogen, it is highly unlikely that it would be safe or helpful, especially in an already high-risk situation. DMT could further destabilize her mental state and health, increasing the risk to herself and her baby.

Your friend needs immediate professional help. While she might be living in a place for addicts, her current situation shows that it’s not sufficient. She needs medical detox under supervision and perhaps a different treatment approach. Medical professionals can help mitigate the damage to her and the baby, though there is no way to undo the harm already caused by substance abuse.

On your attitude know that the belligerence in your tone is defensive and shuts down meaningful discussion. Instead of engaging with solutions or empathy, it encourages conflict. Here at the nexus we value free expression, but your tone and lack of understanding of what this platform is all about makes it difficult to help you.

While you may not control her choices, your involvement (even through inaction or passive decisions) can have profound consequences.

 

[Fringe Wizard]

This is not just about legal repercussions. Above all, this is about having a realistic outlook on things. Considering the situation you have described, and the large number of variables at play, giving advice on this would simply be unreasonable. We cannot expect of our members to be reasonable and possess a certain amount of critical thinking capacity without exhibiting those qualities ourselves.

Best of luck, and I hope your friend gets the help she needs.

You just gave me advice though and I am going to act on your advice by ignoring her and not giving her DMT. Once, one of my frenemies who does tons of meth who I was sitting with in a broken down car during the winter, I put my watch on her. I saw her heartrate and explained to her that I would have to be sprinting to have my heartrate that high and she was just sitting there. Meth really makes the heartrate skyrocket. Someone else I know who is obese also has a really high heartrate while doing nothing. So imagine the combined effects of obesity, meth, and then DMT on top of that. To me that is a very serious risk.

I also shouldn't help people who hurt me but keep doing it anyways. I flipped a coin sometime ago and decided I would not talk to my friend anymore. She didn't see me as such as I never asked for her again at the shelter and in general I am just trying to hide away from methheads. I talk to the lifeguards at my local pool about gardening and philosophy and whatever else I want and for me that is just enough socialization now that I can maintain my feelings of isolation and sadness at a manageable level and carry on with survival and trying to better my own life. I am very telepathic and empathetic and have to try and be cold to people instead who are all a one way relationship.

Swami Vivekananda gives me the inspiration to just work on myself and let the world run itself. The world does not need me, I am here in the world for my own betterment. His book Karma Yoga really explains this well.

 

[Sabnock1990]

Man, people have absolutely no respect for life if they'd doing meth and shit while pregnant. Jesus christ man.

 

[Nydex]

Man, people have absolutely no respect for life if they'd doing meth and shit while pregnant. Jesus christ man.

While I agree that it's absolutely irresponsible and disrespectful towards life itself to do any kind of hard drugs while pregnant, I also recognize the fact that it's often much more complicated than it initially appears to be. I doubt this woman purposefully conceived a child knowing her current predicament.

It most likely happened accidentally and now she's in a situation where not taking the drugs she's addicted to will lead to severe withdrawal symptoms that can be life-threatening to both her and her unborn. However, taking them deals no less damage to her child either. It's a bad spot to be in.

I feel a lot of compassion for people that suffer from severe addictions, but on the other hand, some amount of personal responsibility should always be at hand, regardless if you're horribly addicted and homeless or not.

May fate be fortuitous for her and her child.

 

[Voidmatrix]

Idk how I found this thread, but I am going to address some things in it.

Relative to addiction, once one is addicted, they can't help it. So passing judgment on an addicted mind is faulty.

Because of the history of the US and how all Native American groups were treated, addiction is rife in many Native American communities.

To the op, I need you to read this before deciding you're going to "talk shit" here.

Attitude Page - DMT-Nexus Wiki

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Watch your language. Communication is comprised of not only the explicit but also the implicit messages, which are transmitted through choice of words and general tone of speech. We do not want curse words and immature slang in the Nexus! Please use language in a dignified manner.

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[SuperMarioKiev]

As for addiction I can recommend a few things.

Orexin antagonists, GLP-1s agonists, Ghrelin antagonists.

You need to target the mesolimbic dopamine system. I do not think DMT is the answer.

 

[GreaseBall]

so how did the baby turn out?

 

[ommani]

I’m not around people using these kinds of substances in my personal life, but am constantly around people with such addictions by virtue of working in homeless services/supportive housing. Suffice it to say, I think people using meth/fentanyl while pregnant is not uncommon among those who already use these drugs. In most cases, I think people would stop using under these circumstances, if they could do so. However, the inability to stop, despite negative consequences, is a defining characteristic of addiction, and so it goes.

 

[AlpineXplorer]

As a person who had a horrendous methamphetamine addiction for around ten years and has now been free of that drug for 3.5 years, I read this thread and reflect on my own life. The difficulties of that decade. The hopelessness. So much pain. I’m in a completely different place now.

I know that DMT would not have helped me back then. I needed something else. And don’t get me wrong, I knew of it and wanted it. Maybe it knew I wasn’t ready.

I applaud the care and compassion with which the community members responded to the OP. I appreciate how much restraint people showed, even when the conversation became confrontational. It speaks to the maturity and experience of the people here.

Why not go to the darknet? The imageboards and the culture therein? I’ve been there. Maybe those places are similar to the quick fix I was always looking for with meth. I know from my own life how easy it is to keep searching until I find someone who gives me the answer I want, reinforces my own desires or needs, or tells me that whatever I’ve already decided is the right thing to do is actually right. But if that’s all I’m looking for, why go searching at all?

Safety matters here more than simply telling someone what they want to hear. I value that. I’ve lived a life of unsafe, and that’s not what I’m actively choosing for myself or the people around me today.

I see it too that maintaining that kind of place means reminding people of the rules and enforcing them. I’m no moderator, so that isn’t exactly my rodeo. Just a wee observer and participant

 

[Kobranek]

I'm in the same boat with my step son. Maybe not the exact but very similar. He overdosed on meth back in March and narrowly survived with a traumatic brain injury if it wasn't for his mom finding him in the nick of time to perform cpr on him until the medics arrived.
During his first month being kept in a sedated state in icu had a profound effect on me that nothing to this day has had on me, not even losing my dad to alcoholism. Then the following five months of rehab watching him relearn how to do pretty much everything does something to someone who's held firm with trying to get the help he had always needed since this is not his first rodeo with overdosing.
When he first overdosed I brought up dmt with his mom with not much further interest. He's known of my fascination with ayahuasca after seeing me reading some Peter Gorman.
When he was in rehab he drew a hard line at a point against some of the drugs they were giving him to help with the recovery process which strikes me a odd that he flipped towards the end with wanting to start vaping nicotine then cannabis towards the last month.
All he wants to do with me is smoke a fat joint but I can't bring it to myself yet as his mom took him to the dispensary for his first dose. As a grower and leading up to all this, he and his mom put it on me hard to start supplying him with weed but I had a strong feeling he was turning around and bartering it for his doc. I let his mom know that it world mean more to me for us to run our first mile together rather than smoke a joint. I feel like he needs oxygen to his brain more and to make gains to becoming independent before I can comfortably sit and smoke with him. I feel like I love him more than anyone in his life to want that for him. I'm so much more than weed

 

[RitualOpossum]

These are my honest feelings about this - I feel like the woman in question originally should have the right to choose an abortion without persecutions and that this very inflection point represents a possibility to focus on one thing at a time like recovery from substance abuse disorder with fentanyl and methamphetamine.. who knows about her considering its been a year ago but with compassion I hope that she had access to the choice. I also hope there was no maternal mortality with the pregnancy - no complications.

 

[RitualOpossum]

I'm in the same boat with my step son. Maybe not the exact but very similar. He overdosed on meth back in March and narrowly survived with a traumatic brain injury if it wasn't for his mom finding him in the nick of time to perform cpr on him until the medics arrived.
During his first month being kept in a sedated state in icu had a profound effect on me that nothing to this day has had on me, not even losing my dad to alcoholism. Then the following five months of rehab watching him relearn how to do pretty much everything does something to someone who's held firm with trying to get the help he had always needed since this is not his first rodeo with overdosing.
When he first overdosed I brought up dmt with his mom with not much further interest. He's known of my fascination with ayahuasca after seeing me reading some Peter Gorman.
When he was in rehab he drew a hard line at a point against some of the drugs they were giving him to help with the recovery process which strikes me a odd that he flipped towards the end with wanting to start vaping nicotine then cannabis towards the last month.
All he wants to do with me is smoke a fat joint but I can't bring it to myself yet as his mom took him to the dispensary for his first dose. As a grower and leading up to all this, he and his mom put it on me hard to start supplying him with weed but I had a strong feeling he was turning around and bartering it for his doc. I let his mom know that it world mean more to me for us to run our first mile together rather than smoke a joint. I feel like he needs oxygen to his brain more and to make gains to becoming independent before I can comfortably sit and smoke with him. I feel like I love him more than anyone in his life to want that for him. I'm so much more than weed

I'm sorry about this, hope he finds recovery but also that he grows and that you two form a stronger bond together

When you said doc did you mean drug of choice? Meaning bartering for methamphetamine? i would compassionately hope not after the overdose - if so then maybe the reality of it hasn't been processed. Having the TBI only complicates it further.

sorry that you lost your dad to alcoholism..

Maybe with time. Nunca digas nunca (never say never)